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TF2 Newbie Medic Overflood

Joreal ConnersJoreal Conners Registered User new member
edited May 2008 in Games and Technology
Seeing as this is my first post here, I'd like to apologize if I come across as a bit of an idiot, but I thought that Penny Arcade would have a lot of people that could understand what I'm currently going through and feel the same way that I do. I searched for a new thread that was similar to this one and didn't find one, so if someone already made one, I'd like to politely ask the mods to please go ahead and lock it and put a redirect to the current thread in here.

So then. Anyone that plays Team Fortress 2 on a fairly consecutive basis knows that there was a recent Medic update, allowing for upgraded weapons and a new heal gun. This would be awesome for someone like me that has over 9000 hours on Medic, but unfortunately everyone and their uncle is rushing to the Medic class to start meleeing and generally act like a pompous ass. When I advise them about what Medics are usually there for, i.e. healing, and try to offer information to assist in them bettering themselves and ensuring that our team doesn't get screwed over, they stuck their fingers in their ears, go "LALALALALA" and completely ignore any criticism that is offered.

See, this wouldn't bother me so much if any of these people were actually playing Medic before Valve came out and said "ZOOMJ UPDATES" and instantly slammed down on their 7 keys after picking a door. Anyone that was actually playing a Medic before and knew what they were doing, and as an aftereffect would thusly know what they were doing when they went out on the field, would be A-OK in my book and encouraged to take up Medic while I went off and pulled out my Demoman or Scout and did some Defense/Capping, based on what was needed.

But no, the majority of people that I see grabbing Medics are usually people that like saying things with a German accent a little too much for a sane person, and therefore earn my contempt slowly, over a period of time. I'm a decent Heavy, but if you aren't hitting that right-clicker when I'm screaming "Hit the damn Ãœbercharge!!!" and I have two Pyros with a few Ãœbers of their own, you are immediately asking for a seat on my "Suspicious" list, which will soon be replaced with the honor of being on my "Dumbass" list if things don't shape up.

I know that you have a few problems with Medic. I did too when I started out. What you do there is let one of the Veteran Medics come out with you to show you how to do things so you can learn, similarly to how one learns to not make Mine Gardens with Demomen, or how to strategically place your Sentry and Dispenser as an Engineer. But when you're screaming at me and the other vets about how we need to "GTFO WEER DOIN DIS NAO LOL", you're asking to get destroyed.

And so I ask you, TF2 Medics of Old, what has this new influx of complete and utter idiots done to your morale? Are the upgrades really worth it when you know that you're going to have to wait for damn near everybody else to get their upgrades because Valve had the great idea of letting Medic out first? Then, this forces you to listen to everyone telling you to "Stop whining" while your entire team of 11 Medics and you, the only sane member, get destroyed by those people that know what they're doing and letting the people that have been doing this forever get what they truly need? I believe I would have been happier not having this happen at all, or at least have Valve release the sets two at a time so this overload on one class doesn't happen. When the game that you're playing gets sacrificed for upgrades, all of a sudden it doesn't really seem worth it anymore.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Calm yo shit. There are a lot of hoops to jump through to even get the achievements and it'll simmer down soon enough in terms of people clicking on medic like a jackass.

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    JunpeiJunpei Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Also, TF2 thread is thataway

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    SnareSnare Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The TF2 thread would of been a better place to post this. Also it's BOUND to happen, you gotta expect a huge change in the game then EVENTUALLY everyone will go back to normal or until the next update is applied...

    First posts shouldn't really be topics of this nature :)

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    Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Telling people what to do is a bad idea in general. People hate it, and will make your life miserable if you let them. People play games for all kinds of reasons, and they don't have to do what you tell them to do to have fun.

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    Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm curious about what they'll do in terms of secondary weapons. Like achievements giving you a secondary that's way better than a shotgun, yet doesn't break the damn game.

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    MonstyMonsty Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    This'll probably get locked, but I'll talk here.

    The difference between absolutely never ever playing and rarely playing is gargantuan. Medic is #3 for me, but even if it was #9, I would still (fucking) grind out the weapons so I'd have all of the options available to me those few times I do have to use one.

    You can't blame people for wanting to utilize 100% of a class. Blame Valve.

    (And yes, "they would suck with the new weapons, anyways" doesn't mean shit if they don't play medic much and suck with the regular ones, too. Blame Valve)

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    KingthlayerKingthlayer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Shouldn't the title be "TF2 Newbie Medic Überflood?"

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    MonstyMonsty Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I am confident Valve will realize they went about this all wrong. The proof will be during this free weekend when everyone comes on to constant medic circle-rape.

    The best compromise I've heard between Valve's glorious vision and reality is only requiring 6/12/18 achievements for the unlocks. Then everyone could eventually get them without grinding(although I still would) and people with too much time on their hands could go for all of them.

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    ScroffusScroffus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    You have 375 days of gametime on medic?

    Impressive

    EDIT: Also I can't really see what the problem is here. People are having fun messing around, if you have a problem with this go make/join a serious buisness server with other legitimate serious buisnessmen.

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    DaveTheWaveDaveTheWave Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It is a minorish inconvenience that will settle down in time. In the meantime, get your soldier out and revel in the glorious destruction of thousands of crumbly medics running around like the headless fools they are about to become at the hands of your crits.

    The new Crit uber is mildly concernig as it seems incredibly cheap but I guess it will balance out somehow?

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    LegbaLegba He did. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    And I thought my 13-odd hours of engineer time was impressive.

    No, say no more. I have been suitably emasculated already.

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    LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Scroffus wrote: »
    You have 375 days of gametime on medic?

    Impressive

    EDIT: Also I can't really see what the problem is here. People are having fun messing around, if you have a problem with this go make/join a serious buisness server with other legitimate serious buisnessmen.


    Oh man, I'm totally going to make this server. You will be required to be wearing a suit and have a MBA and will need to show proof of both before joining the server. Once on the server you will go through a series of at least 3 interviews in order to determine what class we'll have you play.

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I found my suit and MBA in a dumpster out behind a Wal-Mart, does that matter?

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    ScroffusScroffus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Looking for dedicated hard working heavy with strong managerial skills and a good work ethic. MS Office experiance is an advantage.

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    subediisubedii Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I vote we need a roundtable committee to assess the proper placement of turrets and engineer related utensils.

    Side note to Valve: Having the free weekend on the same week that everyone is spamming the medic class was probably not the brightest idea .

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    LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    subedii wrote: »
    I vote we need a roundtable committee to assess the proper placement of turrets and engineer related utensils.

    That's a great idea. Way to be proactive. Go ahead and schedule the meeting in outlook and send out a blast to the rest of the team. I think by discussing some of the opportunities that are there in regards to turret placement will really help us move forward.

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    ScroffusScroffus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Someone with garrys mod needs to make a screenshot of a tf2 office meeting.

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    LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Malkor wrote: »
    I found my suit and MBA in a dumpster out behind a Wal-Mart, does that matter?

    We are an equal opportunity employer and encourage all applicants that meet the minimum requirements for any open positions to apply. We also value diversity and are committed to providing a environment where all associates are provided with the opportunity to succeed.

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    YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The OP makes some good points, but who the hell uses their real name on a forum?

    Unless that's not his real name.

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    Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Scroffus wrote: »
    Someone with garrys mod needs to make a screenshot of a tf2 office meeting.

    I'm at uni at the moment, but once I get home I'll get right on that!

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    RedShellRedShell Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    unfortunately everyone and their uncle is rushing to the Medic class to start meleeing and generally act like a pompous ass. When I advise them about what Medics are usually there for

    Wait, who's pompous? :winky:

    I'm curious if there's been a spike in new or 'lapsed' TF2 players because of the patch. I broke a few personal records yesterday as Pyro and Spy in the middle of the chaos.

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    DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Monsty wrote: »
    I am confident Valve will realize they went about this all wrong. The proof will be during this free weekend when everyone comes on to constant medic circle-rape.

    The best compromise I've heard between Valve's glorious vision and reality is only requiring 6/12/18 achievements for the unlocks. Then everyone could eventually get them without grinding(although I still would) and people with too much time on their hands could go for all of them.

    The best idea would have been to wait until they were finished and then launch the class updates for every class at once, so nobody would know what to rush to.

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    LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Monsty wrote: »
    I am confident Valve will realize they went about this all wrong. The proof will be during this free weekend when everyone comes on to constant medic circle-rape.

    The best compromise I've heard between Valve's glorious vision and reality is only requiring 6/12/18 achievements for the unlocks. Then everyone could eventually get them without grinding(although I still would) and people with too much time on their hands could go for all of them.

    The best idea would have been to wait until they were finished and then launch the class updates for every class at once, so nobody would know what to rush to.

    While this would be ideal I'm sure they were worried that the game would start to get a bit stale in the time it would take them to develop and release all the class updates at once. It would also be much harder to tweak the balance of the new updates if they're all released at once, I imagine it would be much easier to release one class update, see how it plays out in the real world, tweak it a bit to balance out any exploits then move on to releasing the next class update.

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    RyadicRyadic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Well I've not played TF2 in about... 2 - 3 weeks, so I'm not sure what the game is like after the updates. I've always played medic as my primary class and anyone who's played with me knows this and I've gotten a few people to compliment me on my medic playing skills.

    When Valve came out with this update I knew right off the bat that this would happen. Shitheads playing medic just for the acheivement, but is this a bad thing? Usually when I would play I would be the only medic or there would just be one other. In a game where you have about 10 people per team, you want 3 medics to win. Not necessary, but seems to be the case to win constantly.

    So with this new patch, some people may discover that medic really is a fun class to play and maybe they will become decent players with the class. This should make it so when I'm in a game and NO ONE is medic, I dont' feel obligated to go because it may happen less often, or someone else will be willing to go medic as well.

    Just my thoughts on it. I try to be optimistic, but we'll see in the end if this is true or not.

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    LittleBootsLittleBoots Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Ryadic wrote: »
    Well I've not played TF2 in about... 2 - 3 weeks, so I'm not sure what the game is like after the updates. I've always played medic as my primary class and anyone who's played with me knows this and I've gotten a few people to compliment me on my medic playing skills.

    When Valve came out with this update I knew right off the bat that this would happen. Shitheads playing medic just for the acheivement, but is this a bad thing? Usually when I would play I would be the only medic or there would just be one other. In a game where you have about 10 people per team, you want 3 medics to win. Not necessary, but seems to be the case to win constantly.

    So with this new patch, some people may discover that medic really is a fun class to play and maybe they will become decent players with the class. This should make it so when I'm in a game and NO ONE is medic, I dont' feel obligated to go because it may happen less often, or someone else will be willing to go medic as well.

    Just my thoughts on it. I try to be optimistic, but we'll see in the end if this is true or not.

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is the reason they decided to release the medic updates first.

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    Dark_SideDark_Side Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I didn't think it was too bad, and then last night I watched a shitty medic uber himself. I'm getting pretty sick of constantly losing because there's 5 medics on the team, but it will get better. Once most people get the special guns, they'll go back to playing other classes, and then they can concentrate on endlessly bitching when Valve inevitably nerfs the new toys.

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    Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Dr Snofeld wrote: »
    Scroffus wrote: »
    Someone with garrys mod needs to make a screenshot of a tf2 office meeting.

    I'm at uni at the moment, but once I get home I'll get right on that!

    I've done the pic, but for some reason my new PC isn't playing well with image hosting sites, so I've had to put it on my deviantART site. If somebody else wants to upload it to imageshack or whatever for me that'd be nice.

    http://drsnofeld.deviantart.com/art/Serious-Business-84522159

    Not my best work I'm afraid.

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    Xenocide GeekXenocide Geek Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    man we have so many threads dedicated to tf2

    tf2 really is the new sensation, jesus

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I like how the Heavy and Demo are slowly being killed by the presentation.

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    redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    haha, nice

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    ZetxZetx 🐧 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Pyro giving the presentation.

    Best idea or best idea?

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    MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The final summation would probably be turning the projecter up until the screen caught fire.

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    RyadicRyadic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Zetx wrote: »
    Pyro giving the presentation.

    Best idea or only option?

    Fixed that.
    It's the second choice.

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    meatflowermeatflower Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    RedShell wrote: »
    unfortunately everyone and their uncle is rushing to the Medic class to start meleeing and generally act like a pompous ass. When I advise them about what Medics are usually there for

    Wait, who's pompous? :winky:

    I'm curious if there's been a spike in new or 'lapsed' TF2 players because of the patch. I broke a few personal records yesterday as Pyro and Spy in the middle of the chaos.

    This.

    I think we should all be looking at this as an opportunity to get our fucking Spy on.

    Step 1: Find a server flooded with Medics (apparently easy)
    Step 2: Go spy, disguise yourself as a Medic.
    Step 3: ????
    Step 4: Profit!

    Where the ???? is "stabby stab stab" and the profit is fucking points.

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    DesertChickenDesertChicken Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    IMO the best way for Valve to roll out the next class updates would be in sets of 3 or so. That way people will have options and we get more varied teams.

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    StasisStasis Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    I didn't think it was too bad, and then last night I watched a shitty medic uber himself.

    ... What's wrong with that?

    Was he surrounded by teammates and refuse to target someone?

    Or do you expect him to let himself die with a full uber because there's nobody around to use it on?

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    mcdermottmcdermott Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Stasis wrote: »
    Dark_Side wrote: »
    I didn't think it was too bad, and then last night I watched a shitty medic uber himself.

    ... What's wrong with that?

    Was he surrounded by teammates and refuse to target someone?

    Or do you expect him to let himself die with a full uber because there's nobody around to use it on?

    Seriously. Better he uber himself, survive, maybe find a teammate to use the last few seconds of uber on, then continue healing that sit watching the respawn timer. 'Cause that sure as shit won't help the team.

    Unless you're just pissed that he got into a situation where he was about to die and didn't have a teammate sitting next to him to uber. That bastard! He must be a shitty medic if he allowed that to happen.

    Shit happens. Get over it.
    Though the fact that he had a full uber but no buddy could suggest he was going for Placebo Effect, in which case he's a douchebag.

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    Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Ryadic wrote: »
    Zetx wrote: »
    Pyro giving the presentation.

    Best idea or only option?

    Fixed that.
    It's the second choice.

    Wow, never expected such a positive response! Um, could somebody stick it on an image hosting site for me? Like I said, my PC doesn't seem to work well with them, can't upload anything. Not even exactly sure how I got that onto DA. I'd like to post it in the main TF2 topic without it looking like I'm just whoring my DA page.

    EDIT: Nevermind, a friend of mine uploaded it for me.

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    LunysgwenLunysgwen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I share my hate verbally over the voice chat when the new medics don't perform. If they choose to steal my class of choice, then they better be able to put up with my verbal abuse when they dick around.

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    MonstyMonsty Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I delightfully join in with their stupidity due to Valve's shortsightedness. Gotta be a retard for new weapons? Bring it on, I say. The more fuck-off medics, the better.

    Of course, I have them all now so I can resume normal levels of medicry. I'm not going to get on anyone's case about dumb shit anymore, though(for the most part). There's always going to be someone new, crapping up everything for unlocks. Sweet!

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