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You think I should vote for who?

histronichistronic Registered User regular
edited May 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
So yea, that was my response today when a lady came to my door asking if I'd vote for Obama in the primaries. I registered to vote as unaffiliated because I really don't know much of anything about the candidates yet. However, I think that should probably change if I plan on voting at all for my first time ever later this year. So... who knows what about the candidates? What do they stand for/why should I vote for them?

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    histronic wrote: »
    So yea, that was my response today when a lady came to my door asking if I'd vote for Obama in the primaries. I registered to vote as unaffiliated because I really don't know much of anything about the candidates yet. However, I think that should probably change if I plan on voting at all for my first time ever later this year. So... who knows what about the candidates? What do they stand for/why should I vote for them?

    Let me ask you a few questions and then I'll tell you who to vote for:

    1. How do you feel about the Iraq War?

    2. What do you think about the economy right now? What's good? What's bad? Why or why not.

    3. Do you think higher taxes on the wealthy will hurt the economy?

    4. What do you think the biggest challenge facing America is right now?

    5. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

    6. How do you feel about gays getting married or serving openly in the military?

    7. What are your thoughts on global warming?

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »
    So yea, that was my response today when a lady came to my door asking if I'd vote for Obama in the primaries. I registered to vote as unaffiliated because I really don't know much of anything about the candidates yet. However, I think that should probably change if I plan on voting at all for my first time ever later this year. So... who knows what about the candidates? What do they stand for/why should I vote for them?

    Let me ask you a few questions and then I'll tell you who to vote for:

    1. How do you feel about the Iraq War?

    2. What do you think about the economy right now? What's good? What's bad? Why or why not.

    3. Do you think higher taxes on the wealthy will hurt the economy?

    4. What do you think the biggest challenge facing America is right now?

    5. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

    6. How do you feel about gays getting married or serving openly in the military?

    7. What are your thoughts on global warming?

    1. I think the Iraq War is largely a waste of time/money and is hurting our economy.

    2. The value of the American Dollar is decreasing as is the amount of jobs available to Americans... in other words our economy sucks.

    3. No.

    4. Diversity.

    5. Pro-choice.

    6. Let them do what they want.

    7. I don't know if I believe it or not yet.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    When you say "diversity", do you mean immigration or do you mean something else?

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    I think he means we're suffering due to meaningless PC buzzwords infiltrating our culture

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Sounds like a Democrat to me, specifically an Obama voter but I'm/we're biased. And yeah, clarify diversity.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?

    He's probably just not someone who enjoys following politics.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?


    I don't think he's really asking us to tell him who to vote for, nearly as much as he's asking us to tell him why he should vote for a particular candidate over another.

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I don't necessarily mean immigration, though that is a big problem that we face as well, since our immigration system sucks. I basically mean the fact that America is a nation filled with thousands of different cultures and it seems as if we all have a problem understanding each other. Too much fighting amongst ourselves I guess sums it up.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    jeepguy wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?


    I don't think he's really asking us to tell him who to vote for, nearly as much as he's asking us to tell him why he should vote for a particular candidate over another.

    Bolded portion from his post. Not sure what other way to take that when he also asks what the candidates stand for.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'd almost suggest making this into a "Who should I vote for" thread, because as he pointed out, the other one linked really is just "primary coverage on tehs forums."

    I'm also confused about who to vote for, but only because I truly don't know who is the lesser of evils at this point. :|

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?

    I don't have to be told who to vote for, I'm just looking for information on who to vote for. I know very little about the candidates right now so I don't know which one matches my beliefs right now.

    edit: I don't mean tell me who to vote for, I mean it doesn't provide me information with who I should vote for. A.K.A. tell me I guess.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?


    I don't think he's really asking us to tell him who to vote for, nearly as much as he's asking us to tell him why he should vote for a particular candidate over another.

    Bolded portion from his post. Not sure what other way to take that when he also asks what the candidates stand for.

    I don't understand how you managed to misread his post so completely, but it made perfect sense to me.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    The edit above yours makes it pretty clear he wants to be told who to vote for.

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    The edit above yours makes it pretty clear he wants to be told who to vote for.

    I think you are confused, I seek information to provide me with an answer as to who I should vote for. Tell is being used as a general term in this case.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    he needs to be told who represents his feelings. that's not the same as being told who to vote for. that's a lot of info to crunch instantly so I understand where he is coming from.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

    http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/


    You sound like a Democrat-leaning voter. Browse the above for more information about your possible candidates.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited May 2008
    I'll go ahead and leave this open for at least a little bit, as long as it fulfills a distinct purpose from the primaries thread.

    No derailing, and no mindless partisanship. Yes, most of us support Obama because he is good and just and his voice is a chorus of angels that brings peace and joy to all those caressed by its harmonies, but this thread is about helping people figure out what their own priorities are.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'd say you want to vote for Barack Obama.

    In this campaign he has tried to bring people of all different races and viewpoints together. Hillary Clinton has generally tried to play conservatives off against liberals, whites against blacks and poorer, less educated voters against wealthier better educated voters.

    It comes from their differing philosophies of leadership. Hillary Clinton believes that in politics you win by beating your opponents and that those who are not with her are against her. Obama is more of a consensus builder who tries to get people to work together to address common problems.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Speaker wrote: »
    I'd say you want to vote for Barack Obama.

    In this campaign he has tried to bring people of all different races and viewpoints together. Hillary Clinton has generally tried to play conservatives off against liberals, whites against blacks and poorer, less educated voters against wealthier better educated voters.

    It comes from their differing philosophies of leadership. Hillary Clinton believes that in politics you win by beating your opponents and that those who are not with her are against her. Obama is more of a consensus builder who tries to get people to work together to address common problems.

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Alright, well it sounds like I'm leaning toward Obama then. I've been reading his addresses to certain issues (making college affordable and improving the economy are the ones I'm mostly looking at) and I'm wondering how likely it is that he'll actually be able to change our current systems? Can anyone tell me what he's done for Illinois so far as a senator that has improved the state?

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It's difficult to judge either candidates record. Obama was a state senator at a time when the state senate was controlled by a conservative majority leader who crushed anything a Democrat suggested. In the last year of his term the state senate flipped to the Democrats and he got a lot of stuff passed all at once. I've heard good reviews of him from from fellow Republican state senators.

    Clinton didn't hold office before 2000, so her participation in the Clinton administration isn't really clear. She screwed up the healthcare proposal back in 1994 really badly by refusing to compromise, demanding that the plan be passed as her people had crafted it. Basically she is claiming that anything popular that happened while Bill was president, she was on board with, and anything unpopular, she had secret reservations about no matter what she said publically at the time.

    Someone else could probably fill you in on what they each have done since being elected to the senate better than I could.

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  • histronichistronic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Haha, alright thanks a lot Speaker. I watched both videos, and I must admit Obama is one hell of a speaker. If I can believe everything all the candidates say, then I will most likely be voting for Obama.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just to note, the big issue that candidates are differing on at the moment is a "Gas Tax Holiday", or removing the gas tax during the summer driving season.
    Clinton argues that this would help poor people pay for gas as the price spiked, but Obama believes that this is blatant pandering and that the oil companies would just hike the prices to eliminate any price drop. I think that Obama is in the right on this issue, enough oil companies buy on short term contracts that they could push the price (and their profits) up relatively quickly.

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  • KingthlayerKingthlayer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Before this thread I wasn't going to vote at all. Now I think I'm going to vote for Obama. Thanks D&D.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    jeepguy wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    That thread is just tracking the primaries, it doesn't really tell me who to vote for/what they stand for.

    It's not really for tracking primaries only. It's for discussing the primaries, which is exactly what you're wanting to know.

    Also, I have to ask: why do you have to be told who to vote for?


    I don't think he's really asking us to tell him who to vote for, nearly as much as he's asking us to tell him why he should vote for a particular candidate over another.

    Bolded portion from his post. Not sure what other way to take that when he also asks what the candidates stand for.

    Come on, you think he's going to get a balanced response in the Obama groupie thread?

    I'm an Obama groupie and even I know that thread is fanatically Obama.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Before this thread I wasn't going to vote at all. Now I think I'm going to vote for Obama. Thanks D&D.

    If you are actually in Indiana . . . the polls closed two and a half hours ago.

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  • KingthlayerKingthlayer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wha? It's voting time already? Or is that primaries or some shit?

    Man, I really should keep up with this kind of thing more.

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  • SpeakerSpeaker Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wha? It's voting time already? Or is that primaries or some shit?

    Man, I really should keep up with this kind of thing more.

    The primaries. Obama is competing with Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination.

    The general election is in November. Whichever gets the Dem nomination will face John McCain.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Sounds like an Obama man to me, and that's coming from a McCain supporter. Mainly because he names diversity as the main problem facing America and that Obama appears to be running primarily along a unity/hope platform.

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  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    histronic wrote: »

    1. I think the Iraq War is largely a waste of time/money and is hurting our economy.

    2. The value of the American Dollar is decreasing as is the amount of jobs available to Americans... in other words our economy sucks.

    3. No.

    4. Diversity.

    5. Pro-choice.

    6. Let them do what they want.

    7. I don't know if I believe it or not yet.


    #1 and #2 are Ron Paul's top two campaign issues: End the Iraq war and Restore the value of the dollar.

    He's Pro-Life though.

    He's also not running in November since he's not going to win the Republican nomination so I guess vote for Obama.

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    KevinNash wrote: »
    histronic wrote: »

    1. I think the Iraq War is largely a waste of time/money and is hurting our economy.

    2. The value of the American Dollar is decreasing as is the amount of jobs available to Americans... in other words our economy sucks.

    3. No.

    4. Diversity.

    5. Pro-choice.

    6. Let them do what they want.

    7. I don't know if I believe it or not yet.


    #1 and #2 are Ron Paul's top two campaign issues: End the Iraq war and Restore the value of the dollar.

    He's Pro-Life though.

    He's also not running in November since he's not going to win the Republican nomination so I guess vote for Obama.


    But also, he's a total nut job.


    But, you know, he's also not a serious candidate so I guess that doesn't matter anyway.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    jeepguy, you have no idea what you just did

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  • KevinNashKevinNash Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    jeepguy, you have no idea what you just did

    I'll refrain. Go Obama. :|

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    jeepguy, you have no idea what you just did

    Ron Paul is god zomgwtfbbq!!!11

    That said...
    Speaker wrote: »
    1. How do you feel about the Iraq War?

    2. What do you think about the economy right now? What's good? What's bad? Why or why not.

    3. Do you think higher taxes on the wealthy will hurt the economy?

    4. What do you think the biggest challenge facing America is right now?

    5. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

    6. How do you feel about gays getting married or serving openly in the military?

    7. What are your thoughts on global warming?

    1 - I think going was the right thing, but not for the reasons specified, and I think we've done a total fuckup of a job over there. I am also admittedly tired of Iraq getting all of the press attention, while Afghanistan turns into another clusterfuck.

    2 - The economy has issues, particularly as the gap between the middle and upper class continues to widen, which worries me (for the record, I am pretty firmly in the lower class).

    3 - Yes, higher taxes on anyone will hurt the economy - higher taxes don't serve anyone if we don't work on the spending, too.

    4 - I don't believe there is a "biggest" challenge, but instead that there are many big challenges - fixing our world reputation, strengthening the dollar, getting away from our reliance on fossil fuels, and reforming many of our bloated government programs and subsidies being chief among them.

    5 - Pro-choice

    6 - Meh... one of my best friends is serving in Iraq right now, and he put it the best: "I don't give a shit. As long as the guy next to me is covering my ass, and not the guy down the line, I don't care who he fucks after surviving."

    7 - I haven't seen enough evidence to be convinced of global warming. I do, however, feel we should get away from fossil fuels, particularly oil. It will run out, and we need to be well invested in something else before that happens.

    Hence my problem. I fall in with each candidate on several points, but not with any one candidate on all (unrealistic goal, I'm sure). I guess to expand on the list:

    I am a skeptic, and an atheist, but I don't begrudge others their beliefs, and I find the focus on religion in the campaign to be annoying. Edit: before I get the O_o from anyone, I meant the focus that others are putting on one person or another's religious beliefs, and why they would not be a good leader because of them.
    I am very much against gun control.
    I want a greater emphasis put on the private sector, than on government subsidized projects. I feel that private enterprise can make a greater push toward new technologies and at a cheaper cost than the government (see private "green" car companies vs. corn ethanol, or X-Prize vs. NASA, for examples).

    I mean, I don't know what else to list... I don't think any of these candidates are for me, and hence why I mentioned having a difficult time picking the lesser of the evils involved. :|

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  • Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It's really unrealistic to expect any one candidate to line up with all your views. Myself for example, being firmly against gun control, have issues with most Democratic candidates.

    Sometimes you have to read between the lines. I don't see Clinton's portraying herself as a sport shooting enthusiast to be honest, I actually found it pretty fucking disingenuous. She's pandering to the moderate Democrat and Independent voter and trying to make Obama look like too much of a lefty to be electable (my opinion only, I certainly can't prove this). I'm pretty sure that gun law isn't going to change substantially under either of them, so I've tossed that issue aside.

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  • Randall_FlaggRandall_Flagg Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    you should fix the title
    it should be "for whom"

    this may seem like pointless nitpicking, but you'll all ultimately thank me later when you realize that I've slowed, by the slightest bit, the decay of the english language

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