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Livin' with a Hernia.

halkunhalkun Registered User regular
edited May 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
A little about myself - I live in the U.S., I'm 33 year old male, 5"6' and a little around 170 pounds. A few days ago I noticed a small "bubble" near my belly button. Some quick research and it appears I have an umbilical hernia.

The probelm:

I make about $900-$1200 a month, with $400 going to rent, $375 going to my car payment, and another $300 going to student loan payments. This leaves me with not much left over for food, much less health insurance. (I don't even have *car* insurance because I can't afford it)

I'm going to need to get this looked at. I know that. The problem is I'm am most definitely not going to be able to afford it. I barely make ends meet as it is, and surgery is waay not in my budget.

Now how am I supposed to approach this? According to the hospital, I have to get the work done first, and then go to them with the bill. I'm really weird about debt, and try and be as responsible as I can about it. I don't own any credit cards, and I only get loans in case of some needed long term investment. (Car/School).

No I'm not a student anymore. My student loans are killing me. I had no idea that they would be as expensive as they are. I also assumed that I would be in some kind of high-paying job by now. (I graduated May, 2007) and the only thing I've come across is an assistant manager position fixing computers at $8.00 an hour plus a bonus for systems fixed.

That's either here nor there, I'm just letting you know I'm at least *trying* to be responsible.

Is there a way out of this? Anyone have any advice?

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  • Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Coming from a guy who incured 30,000 dollars in debt because of insurance companies being dicks, just get the surgery done and sit on your thumb about the bill. Don't talk to collectors until you are financially well off enough to work on a payment plan. Read; in 10 years or so. They can't touch your credit unless they inform you over the phone. Read; in 10 years or so.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    You probably qualify for Medicaid, and while it may not help you with this specific problem as it'll probably be considered a preexisting condition, you should very very seriously look into that.

    Is there any way you can get some kind of deferment on the student loan? Call them and explain the situation. They'd generally rather you healthy and capable of paying them back than not.

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  • Dark MoonDark Moon Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Hernias aren't to be messed with. Holes in a membrane that keeps your organs from falling out of you are most definitely something that should be looked at by a doctor sooner rather than later. If the hernia is small enough, your doctor might be able to just push it back in and then do a quick day-surgery to essentially seal the hole (a herniorrhaphy). If it's a larger hernia more intense surgery will be required.

    Regardless of the size, you need to get this looked at. Yes, debt sucks, but dying because you were too bloody stupid to go to a doctor when you noticed holes in your belly is infinitely worse. This isn't something that will go away on its own, and the sooner you get it looked at the less likely major surgery will be needed. Schedule an appointment now.

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  • Bendery It Like BeckhamBendery It Like Beckham Hopeless Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yeah, i forgot to mention that as well. So what if they garnish 5% of your wages for the rest of your life? At least you are around for them to do it.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Oh, I'm definitely getting it looked at by a doctor within the week. I'm just wondering how to best approach it so all are involved know I'm not going to be a dick about the payments. Bills have a really bad habit of getting out of hand when you just make ends easily. I just want to plan for it.

    I can't even find out how much a hernia operation costs online. It's like some super secret. I need to have some kind of idea so I can make a long-term plan to pay it off.

    I want all my ducks in a row so no one is surprised and I do the right thing.

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  • ceresceres When the last moon is cast over the last star of morning And the future has past without even a last desperate warningRegistered User, Moderator Mod Emeritus
    edited May 2008
    It sounds like you aren't really making a ton of money here... when you get the bill, try speaking with someone in the billing department first, and see if they'll let you fill out charity care paperwork. It sucks, but I've had to do it a few times in the past year. If they have these papers, they can write off some or all of the debt.

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  • CauldCauld Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    This hasn't been mentioned, and some might consider it bad advice. But if you can come up with the cash, consider going to another country for your surgery. When I went to China I met some guy on the way back who'd gone just get this exact type of hernia surgery done. He said it cost him a few grand there, but overall was far far cheaper than getting it done without insurance in the US. I hear India is also good for this sort of thing.

    Of course you should research this kind of thing before you decide on it, and it may not be right for you. It's also probably more dangerous to get this kind of thing done in a non first world country.

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  • Bliss 101Bliss 101 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Cauld wrote: »
    This hasn't been mentioned, and some might consider it bad advice. But if you can come up with the cash, consider going to another country for your surgery. When I went to China I met some guy on the way back who'd gone just get this exact type of hernia surgery done. He said it cost him a few grand there, but overall was far far cheaper than getting it done without insurance in the US. I hear India is also good for this sort of thing.

    Of course you should research this kind of thing before you decide on it, and it may not be right for you. It's also probably more dangerous to get this kind of thing done in a non first world country.

    I'd suggest Estonia. They have first world medical faculties at non first world prices. Scandinavian/nordic people go there for all kinds of operations from eye lasering to cosmetic surgery, because of the huge price difference.

    edit: of course, when you factor in the price of actually getting there from America, it might not be so great for your budget after all. Dunno.

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  • Susan DelgadoSusan Delgado Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just an idea on the student loans, and one I've had to resort to because of a non-ideal work/income situation is forbearance....basically you are telling the student loan lender you >want< to pay back your loans but are financially unable and you do NOT qualify for deferment due to economic hardship (have you looked into deferring your loans?). I made too much for deferment, but was still able to do the forbearance option. The interest on your loans will continue to accrue (nature of the beast, I s'pose) but your payments are on hold for a 1 year period (and you *can* renew your forbearance status the next year if needed).

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  • CauldCauld Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Bliss 101 wrote: »
    Cauld wrote: »
    This hasn't been mentioned, and some might consider it bad advice. But if you can come up with the cash, consider going to another country for your surgery. When I went to China I met some guy on the way back who'd gone just get this exact type of hernia surgery done. He said it cost him a few grand there, but overall was far far cheaper than getting it done without insurance in the US. I hear India is also good for this sort of thing.

    Of course you should research this kind of thing before you decide on it, and it may not be right for you. It's also probably more dangerous to get this kind of thing done in a non first world country.

    I'd suggest Estonia. They have first world medical faculties at non first world prices. Scandinavian/nordic people go there for all kinds of operations from eye lasering to cosmetic surgery, because of the huge price difference.

    edit: of course, when you factor in the price of actually getting there from America, it might not be so great for your budget after all. Dunno.

    I should also note that while living in Thailand I often saw advertisements promoting India as a medical services destination. I think I saw these on BBC, it was either that or Bloomberg. So I'm sure its growing in popularity, at least.

    Also, Thailand itself is a common destination for plastic surgery. I met a group of Australian women who'd gone there and gotten their eyes and boobs done. Also, I saw a lot of northern Europeans in various states of sex change operations (apparently my city was big for this).

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    What do you do for a living? Is it possible (or even likely) that this is a work-related injury? If so, put in a worker's compensation claim.

    For the long-term: the reason you're having trouble with your student loans is because you're living in Wisconsin, where there's a shit job market, and low cost of living. Sell your car, move somewhere you don't need one (like, a major city), where cost of living is higher. Yes, this means it's more expensive to live there, however it also means that you get paid more, so your student loans are going to be much cheaper, relatively speaking (i.e., you'll pay $800 a month in rent, no car payment, and twice as much for food, but you'll be pulling in $15 an hour instead of $8 an hour, and your student loan payments remain static, regardless of your cost of living, so instead of being 25% of your income, they're 12% of your income).

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Well, went to the doc today. Yup, there's a hole in my belly.

    The cool thing is that I don't have to worry about it now, nothing bulging out yet. I have to keep en eye on it and not lift heavy things. I'm at a stage where it can stay like that, or get bigger, (it does not heal). As of right now. I can put it off for three months, just keep an eye on it. I'll have it fixed within six.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Do you have any idea HOW the hernia developed? Like Than said, if it's work related file worker's comp. Also, at your income I'm 99% sure that you can file and receive a forbearance or deferment on your student loans, which would give you some relief for the time being. Interest would accumulate, but that's of minor consequence compared to the pickle you're in at the moment.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I sit on my ass all day at work. It's not work related. My mother had it too. It's a genetic thing. It's why I caught it so early. I kinda knew it was coming. I got a gut from eating poorly and my tummy couldn't take it.

    It's not a jam. I'm in a good position where I can get if fixed later. The cool thing is I'll lose the bellybutton. I won't have a navel, just like my mom ^_^

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I... I didn't realize that could happen. As a fellow fat man, the notion frightens me. =( (begins jogging in place)

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    halkun wrote: »
    The cool thing is I'll lose the bellybutton. I won't have a navel, just like my mom ^_^

    D: and :shock: That's pretty crazy! I didn't know that could happen.

    That would be so........weird.

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  • ApexMirageApexMirage Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    This isnt directly related but 375$ a month for a car at 9-1200 income? That's just madness! There's no way you need a car that expensive with the kind of income you're pulling in. I'd suggest switching to something considerably cheaper. You'll be saving a decent ammount which will in turn give you more leeway in your finances.

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  • SlapnutsSlapnuts Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wow, when you get rid of the belly button you should totally go around claiming you're Adam.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I didn't even know they could do that safely (remove your belly button)! I'm learning a lot in this thread. =) Is it because they use that extra skin to patch the hernia, or what?

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I didn't even know they could do that safely (remove your belly button)! I'm learning a lot in this thread. =) Is it because they use that extra skin to patch the hernia, or what?

    It's because they remove your brain and put it in a flash-cloned version of yourself.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    1) The hernia is genetic. I just went up to 170 pounds and my congenital weakened abdominal wall started to split.

    2) They do the surgery through the navel. They put a lattice over the hole under the skin so the muscle grows on it. Then they sew it back up. The old navel is replaced with the incision that was sewed up. After the stitches heal, no more bellybutton.

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  • WeretacoWeretaco Cubicle Gangster Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Welcome to the hernia club!

    I just found out last week I have one too (inguinal hernia) and am waiting to get my appointment with a surgeon. From what I've read/been told you can delay the surgery for a while as long as there is no pain. You do run a risk of it strangling though which would require emergency surgery to fix it

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  • HeirHeir Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Weretaco wrote: »
    Welcome to the hernia club!

    I just found out last week I have one too (inguinal hernia) and am waiting to get my appointment with a surgeon. From what I've read/been told you can delay the surgery for a while as long as there is no pain. You do run a risk of it strangling though which would require emergency surgery to fix it


    I had two inguinal hernia surgeries this past year. The first one was family related, as both my dad and brother have had the surgery. I was sore as hell for two weeks, as my hernia was quite large.

    The second one was my own fault. I started working out WAY too soon. Doc was pissed at me. Was even more sore because he went with a double sided patch the second time, which is a bit more invasive.

    Now I have a 9 inch scar on my lower abs/pelvis. This time, I waited a few weeks longer than what the doctor said before going back to the gym. No more surgeries for me!


    Though I will have to say, I got a TON of video game playing in. :)

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  • MurphysParadoxMurphysParadox Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wow... doctor mandated video gaming. How sweet is that?

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  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    When I lost my medical insurance from my mother I went on what was called ACCESS here in arizona. Its state granted medical insurance and is usually cheap or free depending on amount of income. Might want to check with the welfare office in your city and see if they offer soemthing like that to help out with medical bills.

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  • GophermasterGophermaster Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    You do not make enough to own a car. Ditch the car, start walking (which would get you in better shape so you don't need to live under the constant spectre of health problems with no insurance) and look for a better job. Unless you are completely unemployable for legal reasons you should be making more than minimum wage.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    No, I have a college degree. (Bachelors in Business.) The car has a year and a half to go. I'm also a Gulf war vet, and I'm looking into my VA bennies right now.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Oh, they've got to give you some kind of health coverage or something... right?

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Kinda, it's basically the community health system, but for vets, depending on your income, they will be able to give you a reduced cost.

    Or I can just get a real job.

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  • VThornheartVThornheart Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    But now it's too late... I mean, if you got a real job and got some health insurance as a result, they'd probably call it a pre-existing condition and walk away... which SUCKS, hardcore, but unfortunately is a possibility. =(

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