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PS3 when? is 40 gigs enough? Trying to make a buying decision...

vegas-stevenvegas-steven Registered User regular
edited May 2008 in Games and Technology
Ok,

Currently have an xbox 360, and that is all well and good.
I am admittedly looking for a bluray player, but dont care all that much about it. it would be NICE to have one, but not really all that necessary since i rarely ever purchase dvd's. maybe if i had a BD player i would buy more. maybe not.

So here is what i am thinking. I just got a promotion, and the semi annual "lets buy something expensive" event my wife and i have is coming up.

She recommended a PS3 and it really sounded good. My main concern is that there is no backwards compatability for the current SKU's in the stores. I do not have a ps2, but i wouldnt mind playing games like God of War and the like.

Someone at a Frys store told me that i ought to wait, and that they may launch another 80 (or even maybe 120) GB HDD after the release of Metal Gear 4, and that it is possible that they are just creating demand for a larger HDD while they sell lots of 40 gig models.

But if i am going to buy something, i want the best i can get. I would pay an extra $100 for a larger HDD, seeing as so many games require you to install to the HDD now.

Can i upgrade the HDD myself? I heard that the ps3 has a detachable HDD... so cant i just get a new HDD, put the sony OS on it and put it in?

I also want to future proof myself, and i know that in a few years, the ps3 will look better than the 360 (the new motorstorm looks to be an example of that)

so when should i purchase?
Does this post make sense?

Thanks alot for any opinions.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    you can throw in any 2.5" laptop hard drive. it doesn't void the warranty and there are even instructions in the ps3 manual

    there's a good thread with a lot of talk about this kind of thing that's probably worth having a skim through

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  • RakaiRakai Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    In two weeks the 80GB version with MGS4 comes back out so I would wait until then.

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  • DysonDyson Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wait til June 12, you get a great value. $120 basically between MGS4 and a Dual Shock 3.

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just for reference, 40 gigs do not have backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games.

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  • ze swift classze swift class Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just for reference, 40 gigs do not have backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games.

    Incorrect. 40gig PS3s HAVE backwards compatibility with PS1 games, but NOT PS2 games.

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  • Invoice NinjaInvoice Ninja Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    That's why I'm waiting too. My master plan is to sit and cross my fingers and hope that my mythical government check thing arrives before those MGS4 bundles are long gone. There's no point in getting the one with the teeny-drive and no PS2 BC with that great deal on the horizon ;-)

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just for reference, 40 gigs do not have backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games.

    Incorrect. 40gig PS3s HAVE backwards compatibility with PS1 games, but NOT PS2 games.
    Well that's news to me.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yeah, the word really needs to get out that PS3s play PS1 games. I didn't find out till about two weeks ago. Popped in FFVII and was all like "Well holy shit."

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  • Dr Mario KartDr Mario Kart Games Dealer Austin, TXRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Waiting is always is better. Particularly if you dont really care that much at the moment but you're just looking to spend a chunk of money.

    Future proofing consoles is a fictional concept. In a few years we'll be talking about the next consoles, if MS hasnt already jumped the gun.

    Wait for another price drop at least.

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  • FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    40gb is more than enough... most of it is taken up by installs from rentals... speaking of which I have some stuff to delete.

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    40 gig PS3's are not BC with PS2 games? What what?

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  • StormwatcherStormwatcher Blegh BlughRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    40 gig PS3's are not BC with PS2 games? What what?

    No, they're not. Not at all.

    The 60GB has full BC, the 80GB has kinda BC, the 40GB has NO BC whatsoever.

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  • DavoidDavoid Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

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  • AxonAxon Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    40 gig PS3's are not BC with PS2 games? What what?

    No, they're not. Not at all.

    The 60GB has full BC, the 80GB has kinda BC, the 40GB has NO BC whatsoever.

    Man, Sony needs to get it together. At least have consistency between your own hardware models...what's the problem, is BC done via software emulation?

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Axon wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    40 gig PS3's are not BC with PS2 games? What what?

    No, they're not. Not at all.

    The 60GB has full BC, the 80GB has kinda BC, the 40GB has NO BC whatsoever.

    Man, Sony needs to get it together. At least have consistency between your own hardware models...what's the problem, is BC done via software emulation?

    60gig had the ps2 hardware on the 3's mainboard then they removed part of it on the 80GB then with the 40GB they took it all out.

    I assume eventually they will let you DL ps2 games on the PSN and then use emulation.

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  • Demitri OmniDemitri Omni Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Axon wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    40 gig PS3's are not BC with PS2 games? What what?

    No, they're not. Not at all.

    The 60GB has full BC, the 80GB has kinda BC, the 40GB has NO BC whatsoever.

    Man, Sony needs to get it together. At least have consistency between your own hardware models...what's the problem, is BC done via software emulation?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_3#Retail_configurations

    Basically, the 80GB and one of the 60s were done with software emulation, a la XB360, only Sony, to my knowledge, hasn't even released a list of games that ARE compatible.

    The NTSC 60GB and the 20GB are the only TRUE backwards compatible systems. Also keep in mind that a fair amount of PS3 games require a hard drive install (usually of at least 3-5GB, so waiting for the 80GB to re-release would be a good idea on several levels.

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  • Radikal_DreamerRadikal_Dreamer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

    The reason is because it makes it cheaper. Millions upon millions of people already have PS2s sitting around. A lot of people complained that they wanted to play PS3 games. Why not take out the PS2 part and give it to them for cheaper? It's apparently selling quite well, so it's not that insane.
    Basically, the 80GB and one of the 60s were done with software emulation, a la XB360, only Sony, to my knowledge, hasn't even released a list of games that ARE compatible.

    Huh? Yes they have. Every region had (at least for a while, though I'm pretty sure they're still up) sites dedicated to where you could look up a game and see if it was compatible.

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  • MarvellousMMarvellousM United StatesRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Is the 80GB really coming back?

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  • Demitri OmniDemitri Omni Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Basically, the 80GB and one of the 60s were done with software emulation, a la XB360, only Sony, to my knowledge, hasn't even released a list of games that ARE compatible.

    Huh? Yes they have. Every region had (at least for a while, though I'm pretty sure they're still up) sites dedicated to where you could look up a game and see if it was compatible.

    Well, I don't own one myself, and of my three friends that own one, only one has a backwards compatible one , so yeah.

    And it's a 60 gig so they never had a need to find the list. I had mostly been going from customers at GameStop that had tried to find a list, so it may have went down at some point, or they're just idiots.

    EDIT: Marv, yeah, they're going to have a special MGS4 edition of the 80GB come out around the same time they launch the game. I haven't seen anything on our reserve lists at GameStop, though, so I'm not sure if they're going to allow reserves at all or not.

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  • ElementalorElementalor Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    the PS3 wiki is pretty useful for BC info. If you find the 80 gig list(it's on the sony ps3 site) I'm pretty sure it's a list of the games that don't work or have flaws(the 80 gig BC works on almost everything).

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Davoid wrote: »
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

    The reason is because it makes it cheaper. Millions upon millions of people already have PS2s sitting around. A lot of people complained that they wanted to play PS3 games. Why not take out the PS2 part and give it to them for cheaper? It's apparently selling quite well, so it's not that insane.

    Oh c'mon RD. You know that's bullshit. The emotion chip doesn't cost them anything (in a sense). They took it out because people were still buying PS2 games instead of PS3 games.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Basically, the 80GB and one of the 60s were done with software emulation, a la XB360, only Sony, to my knowledge, hasn't even released a list of games that ARE compatible.

    Huh? Yes they have. Every region had (at least for a while, though I'm pretty sure they're still up) sites dedicated to where you could look up a game and see if it was compatible.

    Well, I don't own one myself, and of my three friends that own one, only one has a backwards compatible one , so yeah.

    And it's a 60 gig so they never had a need to find the list. I had mostly been going from customers at GameStop that had tried to find a list, so it may have went down at some point, or they're just idiots.

    EDIT: Marv, yeah, they're going to have a special MGS4 edition of the 80GB come out around the same time they launch the game. I haven't seen anything on our reserve lists at GameStop, though, so I'm not sure if they're going to allow reserves at all or not.

    They aren't taking preorders for the MGS4 PS3 bundle. Apparently it's first come first serve.

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  • Radikal_DreamerRadikal_Dreamer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The whole MGS4 bundle thing is really weird, as I'm pretty sure it's replacing the old Motorstorm bundle, and so it'll be pretty much available everywhere for anyone. The fact that no one's taking preorders though is just... odd.

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  • RyadicRyadic Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Just for reference, 40 gigs do not have backwards compatibility with PS1 and PS2 games.

    Incorrect. 40gig PS3s HAVE backwards compatibility with PS1 games, but NOT PS2 games.
    Well that's news to me.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ps3#Retail_configurations

    All systems are PS1 compatible, and only the 40GB is not PS2 compatible. So if you do get one, get anything but the 40, and you'll be good.

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

    The reason is because it makes it cheaper. Millions upon millions of people already have PS2s sitting around. A lot of people complained that they wanted to play PS3 games. Why not take out the PS2 part and give it to them for cheaper? It's apparently selling quite well, so it's not that insane.

    Oh c'mon RD. You know that's bullshit. The emotion chip doesn't cost them anything (in a sense). They took it out because people were still buying PS2 games instead of PS3 games.

    I doubt that because why would Sony themselves be porting AAA PSP games to PS2 if they didn't want people playing them.

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  • RitchmeisterRitchmeister Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    They don't want people buying cheaper PS2 games instead of more expensive PS3 games.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

    The reason is because it makes it cheaper. Millions upon millions of people already have PS2s sitting around. A lot of people complained that they wanted to play PS3 games. Why not take out the PS2 part and give it to them for cheaper? It's apparently selling quite well, so it's not that insane.

    Oh c'mon RD. You know that's bullshit. The emotion chip doesn't cost them anything (in a sense). They took it out because people were still buying PS2 games instead of PS3 games.

    I doubt that because why would Sony themselves be porting AAA PSP games to PS2 if they didn't want people playing them.

    Because then you'd end up buying a PS2 as well as a PS3.

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  • Radikal_DreamerRadikal_Dreamer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

    The reason is because it makes it cheaper. Millions upon millions of people already have PS2s sitting around. A lot of people complained that they wanted to play PS3 games. Why not take out the PS2 part and give it to them for cheaper? It's apparently selling quite well, so it's not that insane.

    Oh c'mon RD. You know that's bullshit. The emotion chip doesn't cost them anything (in a sense). They took it out because people were still buying PS2 games instead of PS3 games.

    Oh c'mon, you know that's bullshit. Sony is still publishing games on the PS2. You think they want to stop people from buying their own games? No. Sure, some rep said that the removal does make people buy more profitable PS3 games, and I don't doubt that was a part in their decision to remove it, but jesus that's not even close to the only reason. As I said, many people already have PS2s, and just wanted cheaper PS3s? What could they remove to make it cheaper? BD playback!? Fuck no, that's where Sony's going to make money in the future. They removed PS2 playback because it adds differentiation between SKUs, and opens the market to a different segment. The segment that still wants to play PS2 stuff can still buy that PS3. The segment that wants a cheaper PS3 because of 2 reasons, A) they already have a PS2, or B) they just really want BD playback, can now get their PS3. I took a lot of marketing courses, and so I know exactly why they took it out. There are tons of reasons, and none of them are "ZOMG CONSPIRACY THEY DON'T WANT US TO BUY THEIR PS2 GAMES ANYMORE."

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  • Demitri OmniDemitri Omni Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    urahonky wrote: »
    Davoid wrote: »
    That is absolutely insane. My dad just bought a 40 gig PS3. I will have to warn him.

    What is the reason for this?

    The reason is because it makes it cheaper. Millions upon millions of people already have PS2s sitting around. A lot of people complained that they wanted to play PS3 games. Why not take out the PS2 part and give it to them for cheaper? It's apparently selling quite well, so it's not that insane.

    Oh c'mon RD. You know that's bullshit. The emotion chip doesn't cost them anything (in a sense). They took it out because people were still buying PS2 games instead of PS3 games.

    Oh c'mon, you know that's bullshit. Sony is still publishing games on the PS2. You think they want to stop people from buying their own games? No. Sure, some rep said that the removal does make people buy more profitable PS3 games, and I don't doubt that was a part in their decision to remove it, but jesus that's not even close to the only reason. As I said, many people already have PS2s, and just wanted cheaper PS3s? What could they remove to make it cheaper? BD playback!? Fuck no, that's where Sony's going to make money in the future. They removed PS2 playback because it adds differentiation between SKUs, and opens the market to a different segment. The segment that still wants to play PS2 stuff can still buy that PS3. The segment that wants a cheaper PS3 because of 2 reasons, A) they already have a PS2, or B) they just really want BD playback, can now get their PS3. I took a lot of marketing courses, and so I know exactly why they took it out. There are tons of reasons, and none of them are "ZOMG CONSPIRACY THEY DON'T WANT US TO BUY THEIR PS2 GAMES ANYMORE."

    Actually, according to everyone I've talked to, the fact that people were still mainly buying PS2 games WAS the reason they took out backwards compatibility.

    Sales figures usually suggest the same.

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