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Game Developers: Pay more attention to color, please [NSF56k]

TzenTzen Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Games and Technology
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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wow.

    Those screenshots look like they are from a game with a lot of different genres in one game. When's it out?

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    DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    All those Oblivions shots are tailor-picked. A great deal of the game is actually bright green. I understand your point, but you're trying too hard.

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    randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I say you are blind.

    Can you not see the artistic difference between Fallout 3 and Oblivion? Even these two games made by the same developers on the same engine have a huge stylish difference.


    Fallout has a very dry color set going for it. Everything from the people to the old jukebox in the corner looks like its had the life sucked out of it.

    Oblivion on the other hand looks more colorized. Like everything is one step beyond normal. It looks more like a dream then a life picture.


    Just cause something has a spot of realism to it doesn't make it with out style or artistic qualities.

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    Hotlead JunkieHotlead Junkie Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Either way I'd kill to see this game come out soon Gears_Of_War__Splash_by_Faded_Myth.jpg

    I still say Viva Pinata is the best looking 360 game, but colours are only for kids games, so meh

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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    It's seems like it's been a couple of generations now that devs forgot that gameplay > style > graphics. I'd take a Rainbow Six game where the terrorists are all dressed in green clown makeup and team Rainbow dresses like their name over this "gritty" and "realistic" brown-and-grey-on-black stuff I see now. For fucks sake, these are video games. Real life armed combat is unfair, brutal, and boring and has no place in a game designed to be competitive or fun.

    And whoever decided that bloom was a good idea is a bad person. That shit is worse than lens flare.

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    tofutofu Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    To be fair, Fallout 3 should look brown and dreary.

    Apocalyptic wastelands aren't full of rainbows and spring flowers you know.

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    DusdaDusda is ashamed of this post SLC, UTRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Page- wrote: »
    For fucks sake, these are video games. Real life armed combat is unfair, brutal, and boring and has no place in a game designed to be competitive or fun.

    Says you. Don't get me wrong, I love the shit out of Super Mario Galaxy and all, but I also adore the sort of games you feel 'have no place' in the gaming world.

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    randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    tofu wrote: »
    To be fair, Fallout 3 should look brown and dreary.

    Apocalyptic wastelands aren't full of rainbows and spring flowers you know.

    Yeah that wouldn't be TRUE TO THE SPIRIT OF FALLOUT!

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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
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    I don't know. There are times when it looks okay, but I'd say most of the time it looks off, unnatural and washed out. Too bland in some areas, especially the cities (the capital in particular).

    And I LOVE realistic looking graphics. Look at Project Gotham or something. I am not saying I want everything to look like Fable 2.

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    ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    First of all, you took two screenshots from each game which I can only assume is an attempt to add weight to your argument

    Every one of those screenshots are unflattering to the game in question

    I'll agree that Gears of War and Fallout 3 are drab, but that's kind of the style they were going for to fit the atmosphere

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    mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Half of those pictures are depicting sunsets. Things look like that during sunsets.

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    RichardTauberRichardTauber Kvlt Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Pretty colors make me happy!

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    RakaiRakai Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yeah...why can't they make Fallout 3 as colorful as Fallout 1? Oh wait...

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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
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    I have no artistic ability what-so-ever. But I mean, I think that looks better...?

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    PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    You did what, made them more orange?

    Isn't that the opposite of what you want? Because, you know, sunsets are orange and your OP says you hate sunsets.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Needs more bloom.

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    maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wow, looking at these screenshots makes me realize that I'm not missing much only owning one 360 game.

    These games that strive for realism typically end up looking extremely fake.

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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Would you rather pick apart my words than actually admit that Bethesda does a poor job of coloring their games?

    Edit: I'm not only speaking about color here, but also the abuse of haze/blur/bloom. And some game are over-saturated (Grid) while other games are undersaturated (Fallout 3). And some games are just a bit too gray/brown/whatever.

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    BarcardiBarcardi All the Wizards Under A Rock: AfganistanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    needs more brown

    needs more characters that have grizzled shaved heads


    I DEMANDE MORE GRIZZLED SHAVED HEADS

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    What game are those last two screenshots from?

    e: Oh, and the dinosaur ones too.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    This is the worst thread ever.

    edit: Tav, those are from Fallout 3.

    To be slightly more constructive, I just don't see the issue here. The Oblivion shots, as others pointed out, are from when the sun is setting in game. I'm not sure if you just haven't seen a nice sunset in a while or what, but generally, sunsets tend to involve lots of oranges and pinks and other such colors. Fallout 3 is more muted and toned down because that suits the game's environment. If you look outside on a dreary, sun-soaked afternoon, you get the same sort of washed out colors.

    As for most of the other games, I dunno, the colors seem appropriate given the setting. You could argue that Rainbow Six and such things could be set somewhere more colorful, but for where a given location is meant to be, I think it looks fine, and fairly realistic. It's not like we don't have plenty of bright, colorful games this generation as well.

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    HappylilElfHappylilElf Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Actually... I kinda do prefer his. The Fallout 3 pics in the OP do look kind of washed out.

    I didn't agree until he posted those.

    But now, yeah, the pics in the OP look too bright. Like someone fucked with my monitor settings or something.

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    taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The only picture that looks bad to me in the OP are those ones with the dragon-y things..as has been said, the others look like I expect wastelands to look like, or sunsets. Also the originals look much better then your orange edits Tzen.

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    RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    What I hate is people who think things they don't like now, were better in the old days. I mean...

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yes, games today have such terrible colour palettes. Things were so much better back in the day.
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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Did I ever say Fallout was a beautiful game? No. But at least Ian's pants are actually blue.

    Actually. GR2 (if that's what that is) looks better color-wise than GRAW1/2, IMO.

    Battlefield 1942 - that's not fair. The newer Battlefield games look damned good, colorwise.

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    RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Tzen wrote: »
    Did I ever say Fallout was a beautiful game? No. But at least Ian's pants are actually blue.

    Actually. GR2 (if that's what that is) looks better color-wise than GRAW1/2, IMO.

    Battlefield 1942 - that's not fair. The newer Battlefield games look damned good, colorwise.

    And my point was, things weren't magically better before.

    BF2 had some pretty damn colorful spots.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
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    Page-Page- Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Dusda wrote: »
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    For fucks sake, these are video games. Real life armed combat is unfair, brutal, and boring and has no place in a game designed to be competitive or fun.

    Says you. Don't get me wrong, I love the shit out of Super Mario Galaxy and all, but I also adore the sort of games you feel 'have no place' in the gaming world.

    I guess I should have phrased that differently. What I mean is that realism shouldn't trump either balance or fun, and that happens. It's a video game, a fantasy, there should be no limits placed on it because of the real world.

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    DarkSymphonyDarkSymphony Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    exactly. Games aren't worse looking now than they used to be. I just think you're being way to picky. There will always be something to complain about:

    too shiny
    too dull
    too colorful
    too much bloom
    too much HDR
    not enough of any of the above
    too brown and realistic

    Once they fix something there will be something else to complain about.

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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I think there are several different things going on here, and I admit this wasn't the best way to address them.

    I prefer the gameplay of western games, but I have to give credit to Japanese devs that really take things like color into consideration as a whole game "vision" is concerned. You have the ultra-realism of Gran Turismo, and then you have the ridiculous but beautiful color palettes in Final Fantasy. Then you have stuff that's somewhere in between like Metal Gear Solid. But some western devs do really well with colors: Project Gotham, Fable 2, etc.

    I just think lots of Western devs don't pay enough attention to color. Fallout 3 I think is just very poorly colored. I understand it's a post-nuclear world, but all they needed to do was stick more closely to the concept art where the color palette is concerned.

    Other times, particularly this generation, they seem to be abusing bloom/HDR like it's a bad clothing fad. Grid could look really nice, but when I watch videos of it, I find it to be just visually annoying. It's too bright, it's too blurry, it's too "glowy" etc.

    It is not by any means a matter of REALISM. It's a matter of logic, artistic integrity, and CONSISTENCY.

    Edit: And I also think western devs are too concerned with poly-counts, having a billion real-time lightsources, superduperultrabumpmapped whatever. I guess you can call me a graphics whore, but it's not in a technological way - rather an artistic way.

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    RenzoRenzo Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Tzen wrote: »
    I have no artistic ability what-so-ever.

    I think that about sums up this thread.

    Don't get me wrong. I hate overused, I'm-on-the-surface-of-the-sun bloom or HDR abuse as much as the next guy.

    But some of that looks really good. Sunsets really can be orange. Golden hour is called so for a reason. A lot of games use film, not real life as inspiration for their lighting model. GTAIV is the perfect example of this and has done the best job that I've seen.

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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Can you honestly say any of those games look even remotely close to as good as GTAIV?

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    -SPI--SPI- Osaka, JapanRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    What are you even trying to say here? So some games have aesthetics that don't appeal to you? Cool. And...?

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    Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I think it looks purty.

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    TzenTzen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm saying color is a HUGE aspect of aesthetics that some developers neglect.

    Maybe I'm saying games need the equivalent cinematographers or something.

    Yeah, you can just tell me that this is just a matter of taste, or that I'm just plain wrong, but I think there are big budget titles out there and that if they were just tweaked color-wise a little bit, ALMOST everyone would agree that it was a huge improvement.

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    .Tripwire..Tripwire. Firman Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Fucking love this palette:

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    Sometimes bloom fits!

    But then, other times I wonder why the bartender is so luminous:
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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yeah, Mirrors Edge looks shit hot.

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    IriahIriah Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Game Developers to thread: Seriously You People Could Bitch About Anything.

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    RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    Yeah, Mirrors Edge looks shit hot.

    See, I completely agree, but I don't want my call of duty 5/fallout 3 looking that way, y'know? :P

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