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Knocking on the door to the party: Phantasy Star IV

LunkerLunker Registered User regular
edited April 2009 in Games and Technology
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I've been wanting to buy the Sega Genesis Collection for a long while but I've always found one reason or another to avoid it. I'm finally going to pick up the PSP version tomorrow since it's only going to be $15 at GameStop (part of their big Game Days summer sale), and one of the main driving reasons I've wanted the collection is because of Phantasy Star IV, which I missed when it originally came out because it famously went for $100 at retail. I also saw that this was recently listed as an upcoming Japanese Virtual Console title, so I figured a sales pitch might be pertinent to people outside of my situation.

Word on the street is that PSIV is generally considered the best out of the PS series and one of the best Genesis RPGs overall. I'm going to find out for myself this week anyway, but I was curious to hear from other people: Sell me on PS4. I played and enjoyed PS2 and 3 but know very little about PS4 other than "good." What does everyone else like/dislike about it? Is it truly "the explosive finale?"

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  • metaghostmetaghost An intriguing odor A delicate touchRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I remember this being one of the first games I [pretended to play], but due to the wonky nature of [pretending to play videogames] and [how my imagination isn't very good], the game crashed on what I think is the second-to-last fight.

    But the game was so epically awesome, that I kept replaying it thinking that maybe THIS time it won't crash.

    The best thing I can say offhand is that there's little in the way of grinding, and the graphics are top-notch for the generation.
    But it's been a long, long, long time since I played it.

    Hoping it hits VC soon.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Well, I enjoyed the colorful graphics and the cut scenes. The storyline was really awesome (for it's time, I was floored when I first played it). The combat was actually interesting, especially since you can combine characters techniques to perform stronger attacks. It also included a cast of characters I actually liked and cared about, and the typical Phantasy Star setting of technology-meets-fantasy also appealed to me. I don't know what else to say really, other than if you liked the earlier games then you'll love this one.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PS4 is brilliant, definitely my favorite of the SNES/Genesis RPGs (and one of my favorite games ever).

    If you've never played it, you really should. It's held up rather well considering its age, unlike PS2.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    metaghost wrote: »
    Stuff you might regret.
    Hoping it hits VC soon.

    You might want to read the rules since talking about emulation is a big no-no.

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  • DarlanDarlan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Yeah, I don't think I've ever gotten as much awesome gameplay out of a portable game than I did from the Sega Genesis Collection. You'll love it.

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    metaghost wrote: »
    Stuff you might regret.
    Hoping it hits VC soon.

    You might want to read the rules since talking about emulation is a big no-no.

    Oooh, you're too late. :lol:

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This is one of the best games ever. I had a huge crush on Rune when I first played this game as a 10 year old. Actually, I still have a huge crush on Rune.

    I was thinking of doing a Let's Play of all four Phantasy Star games. Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

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  • langfor6langfor6 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That would be cool. I never played these much when I was younger, and a few years ago I found a used copy of Phantasy Star Collection for the GBA, but one day I turned it on and all of my saved games were gone. I threw the game in the sewer in disgust and never played Phantasy Star again.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This is one of the best games ever. I had a huge crush on Rune when I first played this game as a 10 year old. Actually, I still have a huge crush on Rune.

    I was thinking of doing a Let's Play of all four Phantasy Star games. Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

    DO IT.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    langfor6 wrote: »
    That would be cool. I never played these much when I was younger, and a few years ago I found a used copy of Phantasy Star Collection for the GBA, but one day I turned it on and all of my saved games were gone. I through the game in the sewer in disgust and never played Phantasy Star again.

    Yes, that's a fairly infamous glitch. If you saved while the music was looping in PS1 it would destroy all of your saves. I'm not sure how that made it past the testing phase.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    This is one of the best games ever. I had a huge crush on Rune when I first played this game as a 10 year old. Actually, I still have a huge crush on Rune.

    I was thinking of doing a Let's Play of all four Phantasy Star games. Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

    DO IT.

    I guess the people have spoken. I will, indeed, do an LP of PS 1-4. I just need to hook my Master System up to my video card and figure out a few more logistical type things.

    This is definitely happening though.

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  • langfor6langfor6 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    langfor6 wrote: »
    That would be cool. I never played these much when I was younger, and a few years ago I found a used copy of Phantasy Star Collection for the GBA, but one day I turned it on and all of my saved games were gone. I through the game in the sewer in disgust and never played Phantasy Star again.

    Yes, that's a fairly infamous glitch. If you saved while the music was looping in PS1 it would destroy all of your saves. I'm not sure how that made it past the testing phase.

    It's a glitch? I just thought the save battery went bad. I was pretty far into PS1 too. Perhaps the sewer treatment was a bit hasty. I was so mad though. Also, I think I paid something like four dollars for it.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    This is one of the best games ever. I had a huge crush on Rune when I first played this game as a 10 year old. Actually, I still have a huge crush on Rune.

    I was thinking of doing a Let's Play of all four Phantasy Star games. Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

    DO IT.

    I guess the people have spoken. I will, indeed, do an LP of PS 1-4. I just need to hook my Master System up to my video card and figure out a few more logistical type things.

    This is definitely happening though.

    Awesome.

    I think you can play most of 'em on Gametap now, if figuring out the screencaps turns out to be a lot of hassle.

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  • FoefallerFoefaller Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    I think you can play most of 'em on Gametap now, if figuring out the screencaps turns out to be a lot of hassle.

    All of them are on Gametap, plus Gametap has it's own sort of save system on top of the standard in-game one for these games, so I don't think you'd have to worry about that save-deleting bug... I think...

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  • overdriveGTOoverdriveGTO Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I remember this game being really hard. Is it actually that difficult or is it because I was 12 at the time? Or is it just a matter of needing to grind levels like so many of the 16 bit generation JRPGs?

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  • DarmakDarmak RAGE vympyvvhyc vyctyvyRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I remember this game being really hard. Is it actually that difficult or is it because I was 12 at the time? Or is it just a matter of needing to grind levels like so many of the 16 bit generation JRPGs?

    Actually, very little grinding is needed. Sure, you can do it if you want and it will make the game easier, but you shouldn't need to do it at all. In fact, I hear this game is the easiest of the series.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Darmak wrote: »
    I remember this game being really hard. Is it actually that difficult or is it because I was 12 at the time? Or is it just a matter of needing to grind levels like so many of the 16 bit generation JRPGs?

    Actually, very little grinding is needed. Sure, you can do it if you want and it will make the game easier, but you shouldn't need to do it at all. In fact, I hear this game is the easiest of the series.

    PSIV is definitely the easiest of the series. The only place I can think of that "requires" grinding is the Air Castle. I don't know how anyone could get through there without the best stuff available.

    PSI and II require grinding though. I'll talk about all of this stuff when I start the LP tonight. Gametap would be useful, but I don't want to pay for the service when I have all of the original carts. My save batteries are dead in PSIII and PSIV, but I have replacements on the way, so that should be sorted out by the time I get there. I'm going to set this all up, and I'll be back with an OP and all that in a little bit.

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  • Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I loved PSIV, it was my first real console RPG. Unfortunately, I never got it back from a friend I lent it to who I lost contact with.

    More games should let you stab cultists with a sword, then blow up sandworms from a tank a few minutes later.

    <3 Kyra.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kyra is definitely awesome :)

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    PS 1 is hard
    PS 2 is harder in a way.
    PS 3 and 4 are easy. 3 is semi difficult to finish because battles are very boring.

    4 is going to be on the VC sometime this month or next.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Lunker wrote: »
    Word on the street is that PSIV is generally considered the best out of the PS series and one of the best Genesis RPGs overall. I'm going to find out for myself this week anyway, but I was curious to hear from other people: Sell me on PS4. I played and enjoyed PS2 and 3 but know very little about PS4 other than "good." What does everyone else like/dislike about it? Is it truly "the explosive finale?"

    Pros:
    One of the fastest paced JRPGs out there with quick battles, minimal grinding, plot developments left and right, and characters leaving and joining your party ala FF4.
    Story sequences use a cool comic book style presentation
    One of the first JRPGs I can think of that has a "Talk with your party" option in the main menu
    Likeable characters
    Some cool music
    Solid spell/skill system complete with a few combo moves.
    It's a Sci-Fi/Fantasy RPG that actually has a good deal of Sci-Fi in it (I'm looking at your Star "Let's crash on a backwards planet and stay there for 99% of the game" Ocean).

    Cons:
    Outside of story scenes, in-game graphics don't look good as some of the better SNES RPGs.
    Some lame music
    Very little character customization (although later on, you have a little say over who is in your party)
    Spell names are odd which can be confusing before you've got stuff memorized.

    Miscellaneous:
    Fairly short (20-30 hours if I remember correctly)
    Easier than PS1-3

    Final Verdict:
    One of my favorite 16-bit RPGs and it's stood the test of time better than most games of that era IMO. A game I enjoy replaying every year or two.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ros:
    One of the fastest paced JRPGs out there with quick battles, minimal grinding, plot developments left and right, and characters leaving and joining your party ala FF4.
    Story sequences use a cool comic book style presentation
    One of the first JRPGs I can think of that has a "Talk with your party" option in the main menu
    Likeable characters
    Some cool music
    Solid spell/skill system complete with a few combo moves.
    It's a Sci-Fi/Fantasy RPG that actually has a good deal of Sci-Fi in it (I'm looking at your Star "Let's crash on a backwards planet and stay there for 99% of the game" Ocean).

    Oh lord, don't get me started on Star Ocean. :x I was tearing my hair out at the end of Till the End of Time for that exact reason. But thanks for the awesome Cliff's Notes guide, it sounds like it's exactly what I'm looking for (I'm in a very old-school JRPG mood as of late). I remember reading about the game and being really impressed with those comic-book panels, but at the time no amount of begging was going to get my parents to buy a $100 game for me.
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    langfor6 wrote: »
    That would be cool. I never played these much when I was younger, and a few years ago I found a used copy of Phantasy Star Collection for the GBA, but one day I turned it on and all of my saved games were gone. I through the game in the sewer in disgust and never played Phantasy Star again.

    Yes, that's a fairly infamous glitch. If you saved while the music was looping in PS1 it would destroy all of your saves. I'm not sure how that made it past the testing phase.

    It's a glitch? I just thought the save battery went bad. I was pretty far into PS1 too. Perhaps the sewer treatment was a bit hasty. I was so mad though. Also, I think I paid something like four dollars for it.

    It could also have been a bootleg; I actually picked up the GBA PS Collections cart used for dirt-cheap too, but I ended up selling it off for one reason or another. I saw a bunch used, so part of me wonders how many of them ended up as bootlegs.
    PSIV is definitely the easiest of the series. The only place I can think of that "requires" grinding is the Air Castle. I don't know how anyone could get through there without the best stuff available.

    PSI and II require grinding though. I'll talk about all of this stuff when I start the LP tonight. Gametap would be useful, but I don't want to pay for the service when I have all of the original carts. My save batteries are dead in PSIII and PSIV, but I have replacements on the way, so that should be sorted out by the time I get there. I'm going to set this all up, and I'll be back with an OP and all that in a little bit.

    Because I picked up my Genesis late in its cycle, I think my perception of the PS series is kind of skewed. PS3 was the only one I ever finished to completion, and I didn't think it was all that bad. I picked up PS2 after the fact (mostly because I was curious about all the Nei-named weapons and items in PS3) but it was a bit too grind-heavy for even my JRPG-addicted younger self.

    I never got into PS1 (when I played it on the GBA PS Collection)—way too rough around the edges, even for me.

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  • IgortIgort Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This is one of the best games ever. I had a huge crush on Rune when I first played this game as a 10 year old. Actually, I still have a huge crush on Rune.

    I was thinking of doing a Let's Play of all four Phantasy Star games. Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

    Please do, every time I've tried to get into the series I just couldn't. I literally do not understand the battle system for the PS1.

    A Let's Play would be perfect.

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  • elgatoelgato Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Sigh. You just brought back some fine memories. thanks team. Wipes tears.

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  • JeiceJeice regular
    edited June 2008
    I loved this game. In fact, when I feel nostalgic for the game, I hook up my Genesis and play the game again. And, fyi (they probably fixed this) but, there's a glitch in the game where if you get your characters passed a certain level, like 80 something, they actually get weaker.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That glitch has not been fixed. I think it's funny though, if you go over level 99 your character becomes considerably weaker. Characters begin to lose their best spells, you wear your shoes on your hands, and hamburgers eat people. Supposedly, SEGA forgot to provide a level cap, so while you could move characters past level 99, the game had no idea what to do when this happened.

    There's also an awesome glitch in PSIII, which I won't spoil for anyone just yet.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Does PS4's story rely at all on knowledge from the previous games? I had gone through PS3 once (I forgot which character I ended up with) but remember dick-all about it, and I only got about 6-8 hours into PS2.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    It doesn't "rely" on it, but there is a lot you'll be able to pick up if you know the stories of the previous games. PSIV was designed to wrap up the series, so it has subtle nods to PSI and PSII. PSIV is enjoyable on its own though.

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  • LaPuzzaLaPuzza Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    PS4 is brilliant, definitely my favorite of the SNES/Genesis RPGs (and one of my favorite games ever).

    If you've never played it, you really should. It's held up rather well considering its age, unlike PS2.

    If you need a stronger endorsement, Zilo bought this game used in like 2001, which I'm sure cost more than its weight in gold, even though he didn't have a Genesis, just so _I_ could play it.

    Althoguh I'm embarassed to say I still haven't beaten it, It is a fantastic game. I was a SNES guy, so I didn't play these the first time around. The biggest difference between this and the Square products is the pacing of the combat. You'll find that you kill everything without working for a 2 hour span, then run smack into encounters that will destroy your party in 2 rounds. I didn't mind that, though, because the combat is so well done.

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  • zilozilo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    LaPuzza wrote: »
    zilo wrote: »
    PS4 is brilliant, definitely my favorite of the SNES/Genesis RPGs (and one of my favorite games ever).

    If you've never played it, you really should. It's held up rather well considering its age, unlike PS2.

    If you need a stronger endorsement, Zilo bought this game used in like 2001, which I'm sure cost more than its weight in gold, even though he didn't have a Genesis, just so _I_ could play it.

    I'll get a working Genesis someday, and when I do I don't want to be scouring ebay looking for crapped-up copies of the only game on the system I must have :P

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    langfor6 wrote: »
    langfor6 wrote: »
    That would be cool. I never played these much when I was younger, and a few years ago I found a used copy of Phantasy Star Collection for the GBA, but one day I turned it on and all of my saved games were gone. I through the game in the sewer in disgust and never played Phantasy Star again.

    Yes, that's a fairly infamous glitch. If you saved while the music was looping in PS1 it would destroy all of your saves. I'm not sure how that made it past the testing phase.

    It's a glitch? I just thought the save battery went bad. I was pretty far into PS1 too. Perhaps the sewer treatment was a bit hasty. I was so mad though. Also, I think I paid something like four dollars for it.

    Yes, it's definitely a glitch. I returned one copy of the game because of the glitch (thinking it was just my particular copy that was bad) before I read about it on the internets.

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  • Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zilo wrote: »
    I was thinking of doing a Let's Play of all four Phantasy Star games. Would anyone be interested in seeing that?

    DO IT.

    I guess the people have spoken. I will, indeed, do an LP of PS 1-4. I just need to hook my Master System up to my video card and figure out a few more logistical type things.

    This is definitely happening though.

    :^:

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Darlan wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't think I've ever gotten as much awesome gameplay out of a portable game than I did from the Sega Genesis Collection. You'll love it.

    I just got mine for under $15, thanks to a CAG coupon, and honestly I had kind of forgotten half of the games that were on the collection. It's worth it for the three PS games alone, but there are at least 10 Genesis games that I either love (Golden Axe, Sonic, Sonic 2, Ecco) or have been dying to try (Ristar, Comix Zone). Best value buy of the century.

    And apparently whoever wrote the copy for the museum portions of this game traveled forward in time to read my OP!
    Did You Know?
    - When Phantasy Star IV was first released, the retail price was almost $100. Think about how much this collection cost. You're welcome.

    So far the 30 minutes I've played of PS4 seem very promising, though now the problem is that I'm tempted to also go back and retry PS2 and 3.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Well, if it softens the blow any, PSIV has the most in common with the original PS, so you won't be missing out on too much stuff if you skip PSII and PSIII.

    Of course, now you undoubtedly want to play the original. I'm so sorry.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    It's not "one of the best genesis RPGs overall"

    It's THE BEST GENESIS RPG. Period. End of sentence.

    EDIT: Also, it's story telling completely embarrasses Square's efforts on the SNES. Tiny 8-frame animated sprites have nothing on lush, comic-book style cutscenes.

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  • HewnHewn Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This game is easily in my top 5 of all-time. An under appreciated gem, no doubt. I still have the original cart, box, manuals, and official strategy guide.

    And fans of the game will appreciate my forum handle, which is where I pulled it from. Other handles I've used included Tandle and Flaeli.

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    For some reason, I was never able to get a copy of IV. I managed to borrow a friend's copy, and really enjoyed what I could play of it.

    For me, the introductory part is so cool. I have a soft spot for anime from that era, and it manages to capture just about everything the inner geek fanboy in me could ever want. Desert planet? Magic? High-tech swords and boomerangs (slashers)? Guns and tanks and sandworms? That late 80's/early 90's anime style where wearing a headband was still cool, and practically a requirement for the hero? Sign me right the fuck up. I'm yours. Ravage me.

    Besides, the main guy's name is Chaz. If that's not ballsy, nothing is. ;)

    So, yes, a Let's Play is a very good idea indeed.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    If any of your haven't played PSIV, avoid spoilers like the plague.

    When it happens, the impact is much, much lessened if you've had it spoiled. If you haven't, it's one of the best moments in gaming.
    What the hell are you doing? I just told you to avoid spoilers!
    And it makes Aeris' death scene look weak by comparison.

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  • TheSonicRetardTheSonicRetard Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That said, I still am of the opinion that Shining Force II had a better ending.

    BY THE WILL OF GOD HIMSELF!

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  • NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That said, I still am of the opinion that Shining Force II had a better ending.

    BY THE WILL OF GOD HIMSELF!

    Was Shining Force II the one with the big-ass dragon at the end? Or was that I? In any event, I remember playing the shit out of both of them on the SEGA Channel. That, and Pirates! Gold.

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