I've already said why I don't like it. You guys aren't going to somehow magically transform my likes and dislikes with some fairy dust.
I already said that overall I liked Werewolf. Don't get so defensive over things I personally don't like.
Just as I knew many emo kiddies who loved Vampire, I knew just as many people who were into the furry scene who liked Werewolf. They enjoyed that aspect of the whole multi-breeding thing.
Whether or not it officially happens in the books, I really couldn't give a tinker's damn.
This is the one and only thing I didn't like about the world. Again, overall I thought it was pretty well done. Who the hell else would even know what a Gurahl is, let alone have read the sourcebook if they weren't interested?
I think a better comparison is saying that you need to be a blood fetishist to play Vampire (personally, I have to turn away when people get bitten on Buffy)
I know that's not what the game is about. It's about protecting Gaia from the Wyrm and staying back the Apocalypse. It's about loyalties and ties to your pack.
The other just seems like a minor implication, and I just pointed out that I didn't like that implication. Rein back your defensiveness. I'm allowed to not spooge over every inch of the Werewolf sourcebook.
That was more a defensive attack towards people who jumped down my fucking throat for saying one thing I didn't like about the game, and blowing it the hell out of proportion.
Speaking as someone that ran Werewolf campaigns for a good couple years -
I groan whenever someone starts in with the "tree hugging hippies" spiel. It's a classic.
Werewolf did have an earth friendly attitude, but it was easily enough tossed out and ignored. There was the above-mentioned inter-tribe politics; the runs through the Umbra, visiting different Realms; over-arching plot lines like the hunt for the Silver Crown, the african alliance that killed Black Tooth, brought back the were-hyena from extinction, and started making Egypt safe for the Striders again, the fall out from Baba Yaga's Iron Curtain in Russia (I still maintain that the werewolves were cheaped out there, but hey), the War in the Amazon; and hell, if you wanted this to be real horror, there were Kinfolk games too.
And towards the end of things, they were making out the Weaver to be just as bad, and the only reason the Wyld wasn't getting any real publicity was because everyone else was too worried about the other two to pay attention to what It was doing. Sure Pentex was a little goofy, but if you tossed out most of the Wyrm related stuff, there was some good stuff there too.
I've just got too much invested in the oWoD to really want to get into the new one. I've got a couple of friends writing for it, but nothing they've told me about it interests me. Too much of it seems to be backlash from the players and STs that always complained about too much metaplot; I say, bring on more! I'd rather have a world that felt alive then to be told, "make your own stuff up". I guess that just makes me uncreative then
(I can't believe my first post here I'm defending Werewolf )
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I am still saddened that the W:TA computer game had it's plug pulled, especially since development in it was very far. I was very much looking forward to it (even though you played a White Howler, when none should exist anymore).
Personally, I'd be more happy about improved mechanics than I would be annoyed about worse story, because it's easier to pick and choose (or make up) story elements that you like than it is to create your own system.
I should state for the record that I haven't read any of the oWoD books, just played V:tM Bloodlines for the PC, but I'd like to pick up the old books, especially Wraith, Changeling and Ascenscion. (because I quite fancy someone who likes to play them )
And by the way, I like that gold font in the M:tAw book :P
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And if the music stops... there's only the sound of the rain
All the hope and glory, all the sacrifice in vain
And if love remains, though everything is lost,
We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost.
I know a bit about the World of Darkness, especially for one who's never played a single tabletop game of it. I had many friends who were into Vampire: The Masquerade (I knew a TON of Goths in the early/mid '90s) and had friends who also enjoyed Werewolf: The Apocalypse. I knew more about Werewolf than Vampire, though.
I liked the idea that the Garou were the protectors of the Earth. It was a new spin on things. I hear that has changed?
They're not so much protectors of the Earth from pollution and corruption as they are the protectors of this plane from the spirit one. Basically we need to say on this side of the gauntlet (I forget if it's still called the gauntlet) and spirits need to stay on ther side: Urathra are the ones that smack spirits around (or at least try) when they cross over into this world.
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I know a bit about the World of Darkness, especially for one who's never played a single tabletop game of it. I had many friends who were into Vampire: The Masquerade (I knew a TON of Goths in the early/mid '90s) and had friends who also enjoyed Werewolf: The Apocalypse. I knew more about Werewolf than Vampire, though.
I liked the idea that the Garou were the protectors of the Earth. It was a new spin on things. I hear that has changed?
They're not so much protectors of the Earth from pollution and corruption as they are the protectors of this plane from the spirit one. Basically we need to say on this side of the gauntlet (I forget if it's still called the gauntlet) and spirits need to stay on ther side: Urathra are the ones that smack spirits around (or at least try) when they cross over into this world.
Let's have a game where werewolves are protectors of their stomache from hunger and go to rip the shit out of humans every few days.
I have the Revised Edition Sabbat symbol tattooed on my shoulder, along with the I:IV:XV Cainite Heresy secret code right below it.
Guess which version of the WoD I like.
I seem to recall people insulting you openly last time you mentioned this in a WoD thread. Saying this is why people think people who play Vampire are freaks.
I have the Revised Edition Sabbat symbol tattooed on my shoulder, along with the I:IV:XV Cainite Heresy secret code right below it.
Guess which version of the WoD I like.
I seem to recall people insulting you openly last time you mentioned this in a WoD thread. Saying this is why people think people who play Vampire are freaks.
But what does I:IV:XV mean?
I know they did, hence I said it again. :P I love the fact that a Mario tattoo is "OMG SWEET" but something from Vampire is "OMG ALL VAMPIRE PLAYERS ARE FREAKS OMGOMGOMG COCK DICK ECT."
I:IV:XV = Genesis, Chapter Four, Verse 15:
"But the LORD said to him, "Not so [a] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him."
Or, as the Cainite Hersey puts it, "He who shall slayeth Caine shall suffer the vengence of the Lord seven-fold."
I have the Revised Edition Sabbat symbol tattooed on my shoulder, along with the I:IV:XV Cainite Heresy secret code right below it.
Guess which version of the WoD I like.
I seem to recall people insulting you openly last time you mentioned this in a WoD thread. Saying this is why people think people who play Vampire are freaks.
But what does I:IV:XV mean?
I know they did, hence I said it again. :P I love the fact that a Mario tattoo is "OMG SWEET" but something from Vampire is "OMG ALL VAMPIRE PLAYERS ARE FREAKS OMGOMGOMG COCK DICK ECT."
I:IV:XV = Genesis, Chapter Four, Verse 15:
"But the LORD said to him, "Not so [a] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him."
Or, as the Cainite Hersey puts it, "He who shall slayeth Caine shall suffer the vengence of the Lord seven-fold."
I dunno, it's got to be a few hundred dollars worth.
How much did your computer or consoles cost you?
I don't think that's necessarily relevant. Some hobbies require more money to be seen as excessive. Owning a multigym and a good quality set of weights doesn't make one an obsessive about exercise, and the cost of that could probably buy you most of white wolf's output.
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I dunno, it's got to be a few hundred dollars worth.
Not sure how much his stuff cost at the time, but the hardbound books alone are about $40 dollars each nowabouts, and those softcovers are probably in the 20$ area.
So yeah, a few hundred might be the low end.
I point this out because it looks like he's got in the area of 20 hardcover books there (at least, they look hardcover.)
Sigh. This thread makes me want a game on so badly. SO badly. I am still highly remorseful that W:tA fell apart when I lost my internets. That gives the forum a pretty low success rate for pnp games, huh?
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Sigh. This thread makes me want a game on so badly. SO badly. I am still highly remorseful that W:tA fell apart when I lost my internets. That gives the forum a pretty low success rate for pnp games, huh?
Goumindong's PBP eberron has been going on for several months now. I think the problem with other game ons is too many people who aren't dedicated enough.
I was part of your W:tA game, and I don't like to admit incompetence, but waiting around for seven or eight other guys to make their posts made the games sort of unmemorable, and the reason I stopped showing up wasn't that I didn't enjoy it or didn't want to play, but just that I honestly forgot that we were playing at those times.
Sigh. This thread makes me want a game on so badly. SO badly. I am still highly remorseful that W:tA fell apart when I lost my internets. That gives the forum a pretty low success rate for pnp games, huh?
Id love to play an online WoD game seeing as how my friends arent into RPing and ive always been interested in WoD. Maybe we can pull something together.
Meh, I kinda had that one coming.
Besides, try hanging out in the forums for a while. You'd go nuts too... :P
I've lurked there since I left the White Wolf forums a good three or four years ago. RPG.net has some of the most hard-assed mods ever, and some of the posters there are worse than even the WotC boards.
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Sigh. This thread makes me want a game on so badly. SO badly. I am still highly remorseful that W:tA fell apart when I lost my internets. That gives the forum a pretty low success rate for pnp games, huh?
PBPs are hard to run in a single thread on a forum that moves this quickly. I play in quite a few over on a dedicated site and they work out just fine. An entire forum stops things getting cluttered and helps prevent players missing posts.
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I have the Revised Edition Sabbat symbol tattooed on my shoulder, along with the I:IV:XV Cainite Heresy secret code right below it.
Guess which version of the WoD I like.
I seem to recall people insulting you openly last time you mentioned this in a WoD thread. Saying this is why people think people who play Vampire are freaks.
But what does I:IV:XV mean?
I know they did, hence I said it again. :P I love the fact that a Mario tattoo is "OMG SWEET" but something from Vampire is "OMG ALL VAMPIRE PLAYERS ARE FREAKS OMGOMGOMG COCK DICK ECT."
I:IV:XV = Genesis, Chapter Four, Verse 15:
"But the LORD said to him, "Not so [a] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him."
Or, as the Cainite Hersey puts it, "He who shall slayeth Caine shall suffer the vengence of the Lord seven-fold."
That's, uh, not that spectacular a collection of WoD books for someone willing to permanently mark his own flesh for it. I'm just saying.
In college my friends and I were HEAVILY into the WoD, we had like, three different games a week. I'm not outwardly "wierd" in appearance anymore, but I'm proud of my gaming tattoo. Anyways, if you're close enough to me to see me without my shirt on, you'd already know about my gaming obsessions. LOL
I dunno, it's got to be a few hundred dollars worth.
Not sure how much his stuff cost at the time, but the hardbound books alone are about $40 dollars each nowabouts, and those softcovers are probably in the 20$ area.
So yeah, a few hundred might be the low end.
I point this out because it looks like he's got in the area of 20 hardcover books there (at least, they look hardcover.)
Oh, my collection (taken at purchase price) has to be in the thousands. The limited edition books were close to 100 each, and I have three of those. Not to mention the softcovers were around 20 bucks each, and the hard covers around 40.
And the Angel and Shadowrun books are the only non-White Wolf books in there. I do have the Abberant book stashed in there, but that's a kick ass game. I'm thinking of running a Shadowrun/oWoD game sometime in the future...
My collection was about that size before it was consumed by ebay.
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I don't suppose either of you have the clan novels on PDF? I have a few, but I swear those things are like gold dust. I can't find the second saga anywhere.
I have the Revised Edition Sabbat symbol tattooed on my shoulder, along with the I:IV:XV Cainite Heresy secret code right below it.
Guess which version of the WoD I like.
I seem to recall people insulting you openly last time you mentioned this in a WoD thread. Saying this is why people think people who play Vampire are freaks.
But what does I:IV:XV mean?
I know they did, hence I said it again. :P I love the fact that a Mario tattoo is "OMG SWEET" but something from Vampire is "OMG ALL VAMPIRE PLAYERS ARE FREAKS OMGOMGOMG COCK DICK ECT."
I:IV:XV = Genesis, Chapter Four, Verse 15:
"But the LORD said to him, "Not so [a] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him."
Or, as the Cainite Hersey puts it, "He who shall slayeth Caine shall suffer the vengence of the Lord seven-fold."
That's, uh, not that spectacular a collection of WoD books for someone willing to permanently mark his own flesh for it. I'm just saying.
In college my friends and I were HEAVILY into the WoD, we had like, three different games a week. I'm not outwardly "wierd" in appearance anymore, but I'm proud of my gaming tattoo. Anyways, if you're close enough to me to see me without my shirt on, you'd already know about my gaming obsessions. LOL
Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying you're not a big fan or anything; just that collection size doesn't seem to be as large as I would expect for someone who would be willing to get at tatoo based on it. It's still a very nice collection; but I'd say it's an ethusists's collection; not an "obsessionists" one.
The new WoD kindas strikes me as White wolf trying ot make more money off of ideas they've already written to death. A total reboot was the only way they could really write any more sourcebooks.
The new WoD kindas strikes me as White wolf trying ot make more money off of ideas they've already written to death. A total reboot was the only way they could really write any more sourcebooks.
Not really; they COULD have just done a "Revised 4th Edition" or something and made yet another set of books based on the updated system like they did twice before. So instead of making a new set of clans, we'd see yet another set of clanbooks. Instead of the five covonant books, we'd see yet another version of the Guides to the Sabbat and Cammarilla.
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I've already said why I don't like it. You guys aren't going to somehow magically transform my likes and dislikes with some fairy dust.
I already said that overall I liked Werewolf. Don't get so defensive over things I personally don't like.
Just as I knew many emo kiddies who loved Vampire, I knew just as many people who were into the furry scene who liked Werewolf. They enjoyed that aspect of the whole multi-breeding thing.
Whether or not it officially happens in the books, I really couldn't give a tinker's damn.
This is the one and only thing I didn't like about the world. Again, overall I thought it was pretty well done. Who the hell else would even know what a Gurahl is, let alone have read the sourcebook if they weren't interested?
The other just seems like a minor implication, and I just pointed out that I didn't like that implication. Rein back your defensiveness. I'm allowed to not spooge over every inch of the Werewolf sourcebook.
I groan whenever someone starts in with the "tree hugging hippies" spiel. It's a classic.
Werewolf did have an earth friendly attitude, but it was easily enough tossed out and ignored. There was the above-mentioned inter-tribe politics; the runs through the Umbra, visiting different Realms; over-arching plot lines like the hunt for the Silver Crown, the african alliance that killed Black Tooth, brought back the were-hyena from extinction, and started making Egypt safe for the Striders again, the fall out from Baba Yaga's Iron Curtain in Russia (I still maintain that the werewolves were cheaped out there, but hey), the War in the Amazon; and hell, if you wanted this to be real horror, there were Kinfolk games too.
And towards the end of things, they were making out the Weaver to be just as bad, and the only reason the Wyld wasn't getting any real publicity was because everyone else was too worried about the other two to pay attention to what It was doing. Sure Pentex was a little goofy, but if you tossed out most of the Wyrm related stuff, there was some good stuff there too.
I've just got too much invested in the oWoD to really want to get into the new one. I've got a couple of friends writing for it, but nothing they've told me about it interests me. Too much of it seems to be backlash from the players and STs that always complained about too much metaplot; I say, bring on more! I'd rather have a world that felt alive then to be told, "make your own stuff up". I guess that just makes me uncreative then
(I can't believe my first post here I'm defending Werewolf
I love your sig. The mods on RPG.net are nuts.
Besides, try hanging out in the forums for a while. You'd go nuts too... :P
I should state for the record that I haven't read any of the oWoD books, just played V:tM Bloodlines for the PC, but I'd like to pick up the old books, especially Wraith, Changeling and Ascenscion. (because I quite fancy someone who likes to play them
And by the way, I like that gold font in the M:tAw book :P
All the hope and glory, all the sacrifice in vain
And if love remains, though everything is lost,
We will pay the price, but we will not count the cost.
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They're not so much protectors of the Earth from pollution and corruption as they are the protectors of this plane from the spirit one. Basically we need to say on this side of the gauntlet (I forget if it's still called the gauntlet) and spirits need to stay on ther side: Urathra are the ones that smack spirits around (or at least try) when they cross over into this world.
Let's have a game where werewolves are protectors of their stomache from hunger and go to rip the shit out of humans every few days.
They also removed the Get of Fenris - that is unacceptable and Golgol Fangs-First would not be pleased.
Guess which version of the WoD I like.
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I seem to recall people insulting you openly last time you mentioned this in a WoD thread. Saying this is why people think people who play Vampire are freaks.
But what does I:IV:XV mean?
I know they did, hence I said it again. :P I love the fact that a Mario tattoo is "OMG SWEET" but something from Vampire is "OMG ALL VAMPIRE PLAYERS ARE FREAKS OMGOMGOMG COCK DICK ECT."
I:IV:XV = Genesis, Chapter Four, Verse 15:
"But the LORD said to him, "Not so [a] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him."
Or, as the Cainite Hersey puts it, "He who shall slayeth Caine shall suffer the vengence of the Lord seven-fold."
EDIT: My WoD collection
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But I see some stuff that is not WoD! What is that I see? Angel somethingorother core book!
And shadowrun!
You can't trick me.
That's, uh, not that spectacular a collection of WoD books for someone willing to permanently mark his own flesh for it. I'm just saying.
How much did your computer or consoles cost you?
I don't think that's necessarily relevant. Some hobbies require more money to be seen as excessive. Owning a multigym and a good quality set of weights doesn't make one an obsessive about exercise, and the cost of that could probably buy you most of white wolf's output.
Not sure how much his stuff cost at the time, but the hardbound books alone are about $40 dollars each nowabouts, and those softcovers are probably in the 20$ area.
So yeah, a few hundred might be the low end.
I point this out because it looks like he's got in the area of 20 hardcover books there (at least, they look hardcover.)
Goumindong's PBP eberron has been going on for several months now. I think the problem with other game ons is too many people who aren't dedicated enough.
I was part of your W:tA game, and I don't like to admit incompetence, but waiting around for seven or eight other guys to make their posts made the games sort of unmemorable, and the reason I stopped showing up wasn't that I didn't enjoy it or didn't want to play, but just that I honestly forgot that we were playing at those times.
Id love to play an online WoD game seeing as how my friends arent into RPing and ive always been interested in WoD. Maybe we can pull something together.
I've lurked there since I left the White Wolf forums a good three or four years ago. RPG.net has some of the most hard-assed mods ever, and some of the posters there are worse than even the WotC boards.
In college my friends and I were HEAVILY into the WoD, we had like, three different games a week. I'm not outwardly "wierd" in appearance anymore, but I'm proud of my gaming tattoo. Anyways, if you're close enough to me to see me without my shirt on, you'd already know about my gaming obsessions. LOL
Oh, my collection (taken at purchase price) has to be in the thousands. The limited edition books were close to 100 each, and I have three of those. Not to mention the softcovers were around 20 bucks each, and the hard covers around 40.
And the Angel and Shadowrun books are the only non-White Wolf books in there. I do have the Abberant book stashed in there, but that's a kick ass game. I'm thinking of running a Shadowrun/oWoD game sometime in the future...
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Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying you're not a big fan or anything; just that collection size doesn't seem to be as large as I would expect for someone who would be willing to get at tatoo based on it. It's still a very nice collection; but I'd say it's an ethusists's collection; not an "obsessionists" one.
A what now?
edit: beat.
I didn't say that. Quit putting words into my mouth... that I didn't say.
Also, give me a break, I'm tired. I should have been asleep like two hours ago.
Not really; they COULD have just done a "Revised 4th Edition" or something and made yet another set of books based on the updated system like they did twice before. So instead of making a new set of clans, we'd see yet another set of clanbooks. Instead of the five covonant books, we'd see yet another version of the Guides to the Sabbat and Cammarilla.