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Bicycle Helmet Laws - should adults be able to choose for themselves?

YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
I've been having an argument with a co-worker regarding a law stating that you must wear a bicycle helmet in order to be able to legally ride a bike. I've recently moved closer to my place of employment and would like to begin bicycling to work on occasion to offset my vehicle usage (no public transit). However, I refuse to wear a bike helmet and I feel the law is unjust.

In my opinion, I feel that as an adult I should be able make the decision on my own as opposed to having a law forced upon me, or a fine imposed on me in regards to my own personal safety by choosing not to wear a bike helmet. I am fully aware of the risks I take and the potential to do myself serious harm in the chance of an accident but I make this decision knowing the risks.

My co-worker on the other hand feels that "The government knows best" and that "Some people aren't smart enough to protect themselves so the law is designed to do it for them." I strongly disagree with the sentiment that the government should be allowed to protect us from ourselves.

The argument was also raised regarding children and bike helmets. I think that children should be required to wear a helmet until the age of majority just as they're not allowed to drink until the age of majority since they're unable to understand the consequences of their actions. Once they become an adult, they should be able to make the decision themselves.

So D&D, what do you think? Should an adult be allowed to choose whether or not they would like to wear a bike helmet or does Big Brother know best?

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    I'm with you, but then I feel the same way about seat belts, which is not a road you want to go down in this forum.

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I think enforcing traffic laws that are often broken by cyclists would do more for public safety and controlling health care costs than enforcing helmet laws.

    And we all know that helmet laws are the product of an unholy union between the military-industrial complex and the helmet lobbyists.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'm with you, but then I feel the same way about seat belts, which is not a road you want to go down in this forum.

    We'll talk when your corpse launching through the front window isn't a danger to anyone.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You not wearing a helmet makes my insurance cost go up.

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  • YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You not wearing a helmet makes my insurance cost go up.

    So does smoking though, and that's not illegal.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    How do you feel about donorcycle--I mean, motorcycle helmets?

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  • ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The issue is complicated by the very different types of cycling that people engage in. Enforcing the law for bike rides through a forest or around a lake would be nonsensical, but cycling on the road with traffic is a very different matter. Perhaps the law could be rewritten to take this into effect, although I don't know quite how you would word it.

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  • YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    How do you feel about donorcycle--I mean, motorcycle helmets?

    I feel about the same honestly.

    Why not go the whole way and enforce helmets in cars? I'm sure there are plenty of people killed in car accidents by head trauma that a helmet would have protected them from.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    How do you feel about donorcycle--I mean, motorcycle helmets?

    I feel about the same honestly.

    Why not go the whole way and enforce helmets in cars? I'm sure there are plenty of people killed in car accidents by head trauma that a helmet would have protected them from.

    Yeah...the ones that weren't wearing their seatbelts.

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  • YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    Medopine wrote: »
    How do you feel about donorcycle--I mean, motorcycle helmets?

    I feel about the same honestly.

    Why not go the whole way and enforce helmets in cars? I'm sure there are plenty of people killed in car accidents by head trauma that a helmet would have protected them from.

    Yeah...the ones that weren't wearing their seatbelts.

    Seatbelts are a completely different topic. If you're in control of a very heavy, very fast projectile you need to wear a seatbelt to ensure you are in the driver's seat so you can control it in the event of a sudden turn/maneuver . Seatbelts are a good thing.

    But I digress, this is a discussion on helmets, not seatbelts.

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  • LibrarianThorneLibrarianThorne Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'd like to know why your mature, adult self doesn't want to wear a bike helmet. It's eminently practical, not time consuming to put on or off, and I'm just basically wondering what your objection to wearing it is.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'd like to know why your mature, adult self doesn't want to wear a bike helmet. It's eminently practical, not time consuming to put on or off, and I'm just basically wondering what your objection to wearing it is.
    It looks silly!

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    It musses his hair?

    It cuts into his periph so he can't scout hot babes?

    It makes his head sweaty?

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  • YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I'd like to know why your mature, adult self doesn't want to wear a bike helmet. It's eminently practical, not time consuming to put on or off, and I'm just basically wondering what your objection to wearing it is.

    Comfort for the most part. I don't enjoy having a large chunk of foam and plastic strapped to the top of my head. The looks don't bother me.

    I also enjoy the "flying" sensation that I get when i'm zipping along at a good pace while my hair is blowing in the wind, as corny as that sounds.

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    A bloo a bloo a bloos aside, there isn't a good reason not to wear a helmet. I will never understand the anti-seatbelt, anti-helmet dudes.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Fuzzy do you really want to live in a Nanny State!

    The govment is telling you how to live your life!

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Medopine wrote: »
    Fuzzy do you really want to live in a Nanny State!

    The govment is telling you how to live your life!
    Fascist pigs!

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    What next?!

    I can't stick my dick in a meat grinder?

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  • YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    A bloo a bloo a bloos aside, there isn't a good reason not to wear a helmet. I will never understand the anti-seatbelt, anti-helmet dudes.

    I'm not anti-seatbelt. I wear mine even if I get in the car to move my parking space. I don't let people drive with me if they're not wearing one. Bodies = projectiles in an accident.

    But as an adult who understands the risks associated with not wearing a helmet, why shouldn't I be able to make the decision on my own? As stupid as you may think it is?

    It's no different than smoking, really.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    When your head goes under a tire in a wreck, the helmet keeps fragments of your skull from puncturing tires, and causing secondary accidents.

    That was a good stretch.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Is not wearing a helmet chemically addicting?

    Does not wearing a helmet have negative health effects on people next to you while you don't wear a helmet?

    I mean yeah, it's just like smoking.

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  • CorlisCorlis Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I suppose the presence (or absence) of universal healthcare in a country would also affect whether helmets should be mandatory. If you and your relatives are going to have to pay for your recovery from head trauma, then maybe helmets could be optional. However if the government is going to have to pay for that, then it's probably a good idea to require helmets so that the government doesn't regularly get stuck with massive bills for brain surgery.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    And are helmet laws currently causing the rise of a black market of things that are not helmets laced with dangerous substances?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    People should have the right to be incredible morons.

    As long as they sign waviers that say they agree to pay higher rates for crappier insurance and can never hold anyone liable for any injury they incur in any accident.

    Unless they have children, because fuck you be responsible you prick.

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  • YourFatAuntSusanYourFatAuntSusan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    So it's apparent i'm in a minority. :D

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  • Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I don't want your brains all over my windshield.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You not wearing a helmet makes my insurance cost go up.
    So does smoking though, and that's not illegal.
    We fine people for smoking, too, we just call it a "tax."

    If it makes you feel better, you can call your tickets for not wearing a helmet a "tax," too.

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Corlis wrote: »
    I suppose the presence (or absence) of universal healthcare in a country would also affect whether helmets should be mandatory. If you and your relatives are going to have to pay for your recovery from head trauma, then maybe helmets could be optional. However if the government is going to have to pay for that, then it's probably a good idea to require helmets so that the government doesn't regularly get stuck with massive bills for brain surgery.
    Except that in the U.S., people not wearing helmets who can't pay their hospital bills makes everyone else's insurance more expensive, so it's having the exact same effect.

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  • PopsPops __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    I will argue not wearing a helmet when riding a bicycle is probably purely a convenience / aesthetic thing. When was the last time some kid riding his bike fell cracked his head open and died? Not often enough to be a concern.

    Seatbelts however, are fucking necessary. When you take a turn at high speeds you need a seatbelt to hold you down. You need seatbelts to hold you down when you brake hard, etc. Not wearing a seatbelt doesn't make you look cool or smart.

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I've never felt that a helmet makes me or anyone else on the road any safer. Then again, I don't ride in areas with heavy traffic, or act like a dumbass when I'm on my bike.

    I think properly educating cyclists about actually following road regulations would go a lot farther in making everyone safer than mandatory helmet wear anyway.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I've been spared severe injury too many times to not wear one. D:

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  • INeedNoSaltINeedNoSalt with blood on my teeth Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pops wrote: »
    I will argue not wearing a helmet when riding a bicycle is probably purely a convenience / aesthetic thing. When was the last time some kid riding his bike fell cracked his head open and died? Not often enough to be a concern.

    Seatbelts however, are fucking necessary. When you take a turn at high speeds you need a seatbelt to hold you down. You need seatbelts to hold you down when you brake hard, etc. Not wearing a seatbelt doesn't make you look cool or smart.

    most kids are kids and don't ride in the street like adult cyclists

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  • PopsPops __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    Pops wrote: »
    I will argue not wearing a helmet when riding a bicycle is probably purely a convenience / aesthetic thing. When was the last time some kid riding his bike fell cracked his head open and died? Not often enough to be a concern.

    Seatbelts however, are fucking necessary. When you take a turn at high speeds you need a seatbelt to hold you down. You need seatbelts to hold you down when you brake hard, etc. Not wearing a seatbelt doesn't make you look cool or smart.

    most kids are kids and don't ride in the street like adult cyclists

    The only dudes I ever see riding their bikes in the street are guys who are wearing skin tight windproof suits with proper helmets that have little rear view mirrors and look like they are training for the olympics.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    I've never felt that a helmet makes me or anyone else on the road any safer. Then again, I don't ride in areas with heavy traffic, or act like a dumbass when I'm on my bike.

    I think properly educating cyclists about actually following road regulations would go a lot farther in making everyone safer than mandatory helmet wear anyway.

    Sometimes accidents aren't your fault. For instance, the other day I rear-ended someone in stop-and-go traffic, because my normal road was closed and I was distracted by trying to figure out an alternate route. No amount of safe driving on her part would have prevented that from happening to her.

    Similarly, if you're a cyclist, then a car that doesn't see you or isn't driving carefully can totally take you out, through no fault of your own.

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    MrMister wrote: »
    Similarly, if you're a cyclist, then a car that doesn't see you or isn't driving carefully can totally take you out, through no fault of your own.

    Like I said, I've never driven on a road busy enough where this sort of situation was a real danger. I can understand helmet laws in cities or similarly busy roadways, but in rural areas and small towns, it just seems unnecessary.

    And when comparing it to seat belt use, there is the fact that all cars come equipped with seat belts, but bikes don't come with free helmets. True, they aren't expensive at all, but it's still an additional cost.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kilroy wrote: »
    And when comparing it to seat belt use, there is the fact that all cars come equipped with seat belts, but bikes don't come with free helmets. True, they aren't expensive at all, but it's still an additional cost.
    So are inspection stickers.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    [old man rant]
    Helmets? Seatbelts? Why in my day we didn't have seatbelts and the only people wearing helmets were football players.

    What's wrong with kids these days, so damn fragile can't go anywhere without seven layers of padding and a cell phone in case they get kidnapped. Why in my day we didn't even lock our doors at night!

    I blame the coloreds.
    [/old man rant]

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    Kilroy wrote: »
    And when comparing it to seat belt use, there is the fact that all cars come equipped with seat belts, but bikes don't come with free helmets. True, they aren't expensive at all, but it's still an additional cost.
    So are inspection stickers.

    True. It wasn't really meant to be any sort of point, just a thought that I had while reading the discussion.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Every hospital bed filled with someone not wearing a seat-belt or helmet on any type of bike is one less hospital bed open to someone who possiblu didn't voluntarily risk their lives needlessly.

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  • KilroyKilroy timaeusTestified Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Just out of curiosity and ignorance, how much does wearing a helmet help prevent injury? Because it seems to me that if I get hit by a car while on my bike, I'm going to get fucked up bad enough to be put in the hospital anyway, regardless of helmet use.

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