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Sonic the Hedgehog 2006: Truly a Modern Epic

Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Games and Technology
I'm sure you've all heard by now of how terrible this game is. Lousy controls, an awful camera, poor graphics, and a story most likely stolen from someone's fan fiction. Yet some Sonic fans look past all that and try to find a good Sonic game. Unfortunately, that isn't the case with Sonic 2006. Over the last week I've played through this game, and I have to say it's probably the worst game I've played in a long time.

This games boils down to a test of patience. How long can you sustain your anger until you snap? Cheap deaths are abundant here and none are more prominent than the Mach Speed sections for Sonic. Not only is it hard to control Sonic, but obstacles often obscure what's coming up next. You often crash and glitch through geometry. If you don't, you're going to die. I haven't played Sonic and the Secret Rings, but I'm not sure how Sonic Team Japan fucked up the same idea.

So why bother making a thread? Well, I fear that Sonic Team Japan has lost touch with reality. With Sonic Unleashed being released later this year, I can't help but feel that we're being setup for another train wreck. Still, I'm optimistic that the game will turn out better than I think it will. However, they're going to have to prove to me it isn't another shot in the foot moment for our beloved blue hedgehog.

Has anyone else dived into the depths of despair or rather played Sonic 2006?

Just how bad are the controls? Let these music videos show you without having to ever touch this game!

Sonic Doom!

All Fail Shadow!

Still want to play this game? Why don't you watch these fine fellas do it instead!

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  • Kris_xKKris_xK Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    TSR is gonna spooge all over this thread and then rape your lifeless corpse.

    You've been warned.

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  • Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Light the TSR signal!

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    He's been banned. Someone else will have to do it.

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  • Dr SnofeldDr Snofeld Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That won't stop him.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    TSR will come in here, explain how Sonic fans expected the game to be good because it looked good in development, go through the sad story of the game's design being changed partway through and then the game being shat out half-finished, and then explain why Sonic Unleashed will be good.

    But yes, Sonic 2006 was truly a modern epic fail.

    edit: wait, what?

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  • schmadsschmads Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    He's been banned. Someone else will have to do it.

    :( His threads on various old games and how they were built are some of the most interesting reading on here, so that's a bummer.

    I just tried the demo of this game and realized that it was going to be terrible. And this, of course, is why demos are awesome... and why it makes sense for the publishers/producers to dislike them. (Besides the fact that they do get in the way of much-needed development time, of course.)

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    TSR will come in here, explain how Sonic fans expected the game to be good because it looked good in development, go through the sad story of the game's design being changed partway through and then the game being shat out half-finished, and then explain why Sonic Unleashed will be good.

    But yes, Sonic 2006 was truly a modern epic fail.

    edit: wait, what?

    Yeah, for some reason he went apeshit in the MGS4 thread. I can't remember if he was for having another thread for spoilers or against it, but the short story is that he yelled at a bunch of people, used "fuck" every other word, talked back to mods several times and, well, there you go.

    Back on topic, it'll be tough to find anyone to defend this game. Other than TSR. Who owns two copies of this game. (One for the PS3, one for the 360.)

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    You forgot to mention the loading.

    Also the bestiality.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    TSR will come in here, explain how Sonic fans expected the game to be good because it looked good in development, go through the sad story of the game's design being changed partway through and then the game being shat out half-finished, and then explain why Sonic Unleashed will be good.

    But yes, Sonic 2006 was truly a modern epic fail.

    edit: wait, what?

    Yeah, for some reason he went apeshit in the MGS4 thread. I can't remember if he was for having another thread for spoilers or against it, but the short story is that he yelled at a bunch of people, used "fuck" every other word, talked back to mods several times and, well, there you go.

    Back on topic, it'll be tough to find anyone to defend this game. Other than TSR. Who owns two copies of this game. (One for the PS3, one for the 360.)

    Oh he'll still badmouth it if given the opportunity. He's just still infinitely hopeful for the next one. As a former Dreamcast owner, I sympathize. But then, the last Sonic game I played since the 'Cast was Sonic Rush, so I haven't been directly exposed to the real shitty ones.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    TSR will come in here, explain how Sonic fans expected the game to be good because it looked good in development, go through the sad story of the game's design being changed partway through and then the game being shat out half-finished, and then explain why Sonic Unleashed will be good.

    But yes, Sonic 2006 was truly a modern epic fail.

    edit: wait, what?

    Yeah, for some reason he went apeshit in the MGS4 thread. I can't remember if he was for having another thread for spoilers or against it, but the short story is that he yelled at a bunch of people, used "fuck" every other word, talked back to mods several times and, well, there you go.

    Back on topic, it'll be tough to find anyone to defend this game. Other than TSR. Who owns two copies of this game. (One for the PS3, one for the 360.)

    Oh he'll still badmouth it if given the opportunity. He's just still infinitely hopeful for the next one. As a former Dreamcast owner, I sympathize. But then, the last Sonic game I played since the 'Cast was Sonic Rush, so I haven't been directly exposed to the real shitty ones.

    There's actually reasons to be hopeful for the new Sonic game (being made by different people, 3D segments, etc.), but there's still reason to worry (the control stinks at this point, Sonic turns into a werewolf for no apparent reason). We'll just have to see. But after so many shitty Sonic games, I'm trying not to get my hopes up.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    TSR liked certain parts of it. His review of the game was just as scathing as most others.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    TSR liked certain parts of it. His review of the game was just as scathing as most others.

    Apparently the city level was good, or something. I couldn't tell you, myself.

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  • SchideSchide Yeoh! Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    IceBurner wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    He's been banned. Someone else will have to do it.
    Ah, that explains why I haven't heard from him. I was beginning to worry he'd been hit by a bus or something.

    I've seeen many screens of Sonic 2006. The subject matter of the cutscenes in particular is just horrifying.

    Well now I'm curious.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Sonic makes out a human princess.

    2k6 is really a horrible horrible game on the very ground levels. I picked this up for like 10$ because I wanted to see how bad it was. And I can tell you.. It's bad.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Schide wrote: »
    IceBurner wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    He's been banned. Someone else will have to do it.
    Ah, that explains why I haven't heard from him. I was beginning to worry he'd been hit by a bus or something.

    I've seeen many screens of Sonic 2006. The subject matter of the cutscenes in particular is just horrifying.

    Well now I'm curious.

    They catered a bit too much to the furry fetishist audience. I mean, they'd always been doing it a little, since the series went 3D, but they crossed a line, you know?

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  • DixonDixon Screwed...possibly doomed CanadaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I don't expect much out of the game.
    Also why was TSR banned?

    edit: whoa lot of posts happened in the time it took me to write that...I blame the fact I was also eating a cookie

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  • NH03NH03 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I remember when I heard about 2k6, the game was destined to be horrible. Everyone was amazed to see sonic in next-gen graphics, but everything after that was crap. 3d sonic playing around in giant cities? Talking with humans? Silver the hedgehog? Garbage.

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    You forgot to mention the loading.

    Also the bestiality.

    That's what the story boils down to.

    As for lo...

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  • SilkyNumNutsSilkyNumNuts Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The SA LP of this is great. Them setting out knowing it was pretty bad and even then being disappointed, screaming at the awful... everything. Tis mightily amusing.

    Horrible, horrible game.

    The future city level of the game, until the mach speed section, was one of the few decent bits.

    The plot is awful, and pretty much every game mechanic is wont to horribly fuck up in some way.

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  • MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    He's been banned. Someone else will have to do it.

    :(:(:(

    Edit: It doesn't say anything about his banning in the Who Was Banned post...
    I found the posts that lead to him being banned though. Dude went kind of crazy.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    NH03 wrote: »
    I remember when I heard about 2k6, the game was destined to be horrible. Everyone was amazed to see sonic in next-gen graphics, but everything after that was crap. 3d sonic playing around in giant cities? Talking with humans? Silver the hedgehog? Garbage.

    The graphics don't even look good. It's about the same as SA2 but slightly worse in some parts in 1080i with lots of slowdown.

    God this game is such an abomination. Maybe I'll go play it some more and try to get though a story..

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  • Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    TSR was banned? What for?

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  • Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Oh, haha. Well, alrighty then.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Sonic 2K6 is an excellent game: It makes all other 3D Sonics masterpieces by comparison. That is truely an awesome gift, not to be overlooked.

    I have a ton of faith in the Wii version of Unleashed, Dimps knows what they are doing, being the real Sonic Team.

    As to TSR, I don't think you quite explained why he got banned.

    He was yelling at people for wanting to post spoilers in the MGS4 thread, which was clearly marked for spoilers.

    Those people politely started a new thread, which the mods locked, and rightfully so, seeing as there was one thread for every other single big game ever released.

    So a mod comes in, edits the front page, and explains how anyone accidentily or purposefully dropping an MGS4 spoiler or a fake spoiler will be temp banned.

    He goes nuts, talking about how other games didn't have this treatment (They did!) and how one slipped letter could mean the end of his enjoyment (hardly likely considering most people use the spoiler button) and then finally the saddest excuse of them all (He can't resist looking at spoilers) to which most normal people would say "Well, you shouldn't be in an offical game thread a week before launch!" He proceeds to cuss out various people including a mod.

    Luckily the mods solve this problem for him.

    I should bake a cake for whomever banned him, he was getting on my nerves.

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  • Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I avoid thread about games I don't want spoiled.

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Sonic 2K6 is an excellent game: It makes all other 3D Sonics masterpieces by comparison. That is truely an awesome gift, not to be overlooked.

    I have a ton of faith in the Wii version of Unleashed, Dimps knows what they are doing, being the real Sonic Team.

    As to TSR, I don't think you quite explained why he got banned.

    He was yelling at people for wanting to post spoilers in the MGS4 thread, which was clearly marked for spoilers.

    Those people politely started a new thread, which the mods locked, and rightfully so, seeing as there was one thread for every other single big game ever released.

    So a mod comes in, edits the front page, and explains how anyone accidentily or purposefully dropping an MGS4 spoiler or a fake spoiler will be temp banned.

    He goes nuts, talking about how other games didn't have this treatment (They did!) and how one slipped letter could mean the end of his enjoyment (hardly likely considering most people use the spoiler button) and then finally the saddest excuse of them all (He can't resist looking at spoilers) to which most normal people would say "Well, you shouldn't be in an offical game thread a week before launch!" He proceeds to cuss out various people including a mod.

    Luckily the mods solve this problem for him.

    I should bake a cake for whomever banned him, he was getting on my nerves.

    Well the problem with 2k6 is the ideas they had were pretty good but just horribly executed due to rushes, staff being shuffled around, and various other problems.

    Also I feel kind of bad for TSR, I liked it when he spouted off tons of information no one human should ever know.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Regicid3 wrote: »
    TSR was banned? What for?

    A.) You aren't supposed to make posts like this. Any of you. It's not on topic discussion.

    B.) It was already answered like six times god damn

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  • TeriferinTeriferin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    SA did a Lets Play of this game? Too bad it's not in the archive :|. That would have been highly amusing.

    Edit: Removed Comment on TSR banning

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  • SilkyNumNutsSilkyNumNuts Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Teriferin wrote: »
    SA did a Lets Play of this game? Too bad it's not in the archive :|. That would have been highly amusing.

    Edit: Removed Comment on TSR banning

    Nay, it's happening at the moment. They just finished shadow's section.

    You can read the forums for free.

    And no, they really didn't have good ideas. Don't blame this on staff reshuffling or anything. It's easy to see. Sonic Team can't create a game for shit, and sega blatantly don't believe in playtesting. I've found the game's design horribly painful second hand, I refuse to believe there were any good ideas there ever.

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  • OpiumOpium regular
    edited June 2008
    NH03 wrote: »
    I remember when I heard about 2k6, the game was destined to be horrible. Everyone was amazed to see sonic in next-gen graphics, but everything after that was crap. 3d sonic playing around in giant cities? Talking with humans? Silver the hedgehog? Garbage.

    Silver seems like he's here to stay though, he's even featured in SSB Brawl just as prominently as Tails and Knuckles. Which is uber retarded but probably one of Sega's clauses for allowing Sonic in Brawl (along with only blue, blue and even more blue as Sonic's alternate colors) because they wanted to promote Silver as the next big thing besides Sonic and Shadow..

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Teriferin wrote: »
    SA did a Lets Play of this game? Too bad it's not in the archive :|. That would have been highly amusing.

    Edit: Removed Comment on TSR banning

    Nay, it's happening at the moment. They just finished shadow's section.

    You can read the forums for free.

    And no, they really didn't have good ideas. Don't blame this on staff reshuffling or anything. It's easy to see. Sonic Team can't create a game for shit, and sega blatantly don't believe in playtesting. I've found the game's design horribly painful second hand, I refuse to believe there were any good ideas there ever.

    You actually can't read them for free anymore. Or at least most of them. I thought they made it completely restricted but I haven't been there in awhile.

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  • SilkyNumNutsSilkyNumNuts Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Teriferin wrote: »
    SA did a Lets Play of this game? Too bad it's not in the archive :|. That would have been highly amusing.

    Edit: Removed Comment on TSR banning

    Nay, it's happening at the moment. They just finished shadow's section.

    You can read the forums for free.

    And no, they really didn't have good ideas. Don't blame this on staff reshuffling or anything. It's easy to see. Sonic Team can't create a game for shit, and sega blatantly don't believe in playtesting. I've found the game's design horribly painful second hand, I refuse to believe there were any good ideas there ever.

    You actually can't read them for free anymore. Or at least most of them. I thought they made it completely restricted but I haven't been there in awhile.

    I'm pretty sure they've changed it back, as I've been reading the let's play forum regularly, and I don't own an account. So yeah I'm definitely sure :P

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  • randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    And no, they really didn't have good ideas. Don't blame this on staff reshuffling or anything. It's easy to see. Sonic Team can't create a game for shit, and sega blatantly don't believe in playtesting. I've found the game's design horribly painful second hand, I refuse to believe there were any good ideas there ever.

    Most of the staff was changed over to working on Secret Rings. Which is where they took the super speed idea from 2k6 and just said "Lets make a game all about these." and that turned out great.

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  • SilkyNumNutsSilkyNumNuts Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    And no, they really didn't have good ideas. Don't blame this on staff reshuffling or anything. It's easy to see. Sonic Team can't create a game for shit, and sega blatantly don't believe in playtesting. I've found the game's design horribly painful second hand, I refuse to believe there were any good ideas there ever.

    Most of the staff was changed over to working on Secret Rings. Which is where they took the super speed idea from 2k6 and just said "Lets make a game all about these." and that turned out great.

    I've not actually played that, so maybe you're right. But for the one good idea - mach speed sections - that were horrifically executed in 2k6, it was pretty much devoid of good ideas.

    I have to ask, was this reshuffling going on as far back as heroes? Because that was godawful, and that game I did play, partly just because it was kinda amazed it was so bad. And most of the awful ideas dated back to that, and possibly further (I only played a small amount of either adventure, and quit fairly early into each). Sonic team certainly don't seem capable of creating a good game, and most of sega's releases recently are fairly dire. I remember some people saying Secret ring's positive reception being due it to being not quite as godawful, but that's probably about 7th hand.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Yeah, Sonic 2006 could have been a great game, if they'd given the staff enough time to work on it. I'm pretty sure the release date was moved back at least twice.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    2006 was done in six months or something silly like that.

    It's not that great of an excuse considering Secret Rings only had a bit more than that.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    But see, since S&TSR used a lot of the same team, they could reuse their experiance (and possibly code) from 2006 and have a much better idea of how to make a decent game out of it in the tiny timeframe.

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  • SilkyNumNutsSilkyNumNuts Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ...I don't think that's even an excuse though. you've got six months? Then why the hell attempt three characters, one with a slightly distinct play style? why have city hubs, why why why why why.

    I don't think giving them more time would have fixed the issue, and that's really why i don't believe that Unleashed will be anything but vomit-inducing.

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  • Xenogears of BoreXenogears of Bore Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ...I don't think that's even an excuse though. you've got six months? Then why the hell attempt three characters, one with a slightly distinct play style? why have city hubs, why why why why why.

    I don't think giving them more time would have fixed the issue, and that's really why i don't believe that Unleashed will be anything but vomit-inducing.

    I agree, that's why it was lame.

    Being marketed as a reboot and using the legendary name certainly didn't help matters.

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ...I don't think that's even an excuse though. you've got six months? Then why the hell attempt three characters, one with a slightly distinct play style? why have city hubs, why why why why why.

    I don't think giving them more time would have fixed the issue, and that's really why i don't believe that Unleashed will be anything but vomit-inducing.

    I agree, that's why it was lame.

    Being marketed as a reboot and using the legendary name certainly didn't help matters.

    The 2006 team originally had quite a bit more than six months. As I said, the schedule was tightened up a lot and SEGA made several stupid decisions midway through development that I highly doubt the team appreciated. If outside forces hadn't interfered, it would have been a ton better. They were rushed to the point where the team was essentially forced to release a beta; I think TSR once said that the load times were so bad because of a bug, everything was actually being loaded twice (or something crazy like that?).

    As for Unleashed, that's already been in development for what, like two years? AND they're going back to the 2D gameplay they know works; as opposed to 2006, where they were trying to refine gameplay that hadn't been working amazingly well for the previous 3D games.

    Very poor comparison.

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