# Are gas prices changing your behavior? AKA &quot;F--- this, I'm getting a bike.&quot;

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
Nerissa wrote: »
A diesel hyrid that gets almost 70 MPG?

Sold. (as long as it is not to expensive...)

edit: yeah, all Prius' are ugly, but my 2001 is really ugly and really small.

Are you in Europe? Because that's the only way you'll see one of those any time soon. We may someday see them in the US, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

A guy can dream...

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
wazilla wrote: »
LineNoiz wrote: »
When gas first went over $3.00, I said eff that. I had every intention of bicycling to work. It was only about 3 miles in, and everything was going to be great. So I bought the bike and took it out for a spin... And oh, boy, am I a fat fucker. I went about 1/4 of a mile on it and felt like my chest was going to burst. So then I went on a diet, shed some tons, got in a little better shape, and was all set to give the bike thing another whirl. And right about then, my work moved. From 3 miles away to 15 miles away. So instead I went and spent ~$5,000 on a motorcycle (including things like insurance, armor, a class on how to ride and not die so much, etc.), which I now ride when the weather isn't completely shitty. It gets about 60 MPG, and is a complete blast to ride. My car gets about 20 MPG, so I'm saving... Hmm.

30 mile round trip
Car:
30 miles @ 20 mpg = 0.75 gallons per day
0.75 gallons * $4.00 =$3.00 per day

Motorcycle:
30 miles @ 60 MPG = 0.5 gallons per day
0.5 gallons per day * $4.00 =$2.00 per day

Well, damn. I kinda wish I hadn't checked those numbers.

30 miles @ 20mpg is 1.5 gallons per day.
I had a feeling that would be waiting for me when I got back. I fail at maths.

So, 1.5 * $4.00 =$6.00 per day, saving $4.00 per day. Which is much better. LineNoiz on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 Doc wrote: » How flat is the terrain? I ride my bike 12 miles to/from work all the time. 15 isn't that bad, so long as you have showers available there. I live in the mountains, so... Very not flat. And no showers available, here. LineNoiz on • Ausitn, TXRegistered User regular edited June 2008 Nerissa wrote: » A diesel hyrid that gets almost 70 MPG? Sold. (as long as it is not to expensive...) edit: yeah, all Prius' are ugly, but my 2001 is really ugly and really small. Are you in Europe? Because that's the only way you'll see one of those any time soon. We may someday see them in the US, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. A guy can dream... Wait, why can't we get them here? Is it because of the regulations the US has in place on how much soot a diesel can emit? I thought the newest line of VWs have complied with those? Heir on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 Heir wrote: » Nerissa wrote: » A diesel hyrid that gets almost 70 MPG? Sold. (as long as it is not to expensive...) edit: yeah, all Prius' are ugly, but my 2001 is really ugly and really small. Are you in Europe? Because that's the only way you'll see one of those any time soon. We may someday see them in the US, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. A guy can dream... Wait, why can't we get them here? Is it because of the regulations the US has in place on how much soot a diesel can emit? I thought the newest line of VWs have complied with those? Well, according to the article, they're introducing them in Europe first. I hadn't heard about the new VWs complying with the emissions standards, but you can't find a single (new) VW diesel for sale in the US right now. Also, the diesel Smart Cars are available in Europe and Canada, but not the US. I don't know if/when they'll meet emissions standards either. If they're working on getting them cleaned up, that would be awesome, but I'm a bit pessimistic on the diesel hybrids being available over here in less than 5 years. Nerissa on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 I haven't changed much except being more conscientious about oil changes, and tire pressure etc. Malkor on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 I am certainly less desiring of a car. I am 20 and have yet to own one, and live a fairly comfortable life due to the lack of the expense. Many people that I know around my age (20's in general) are turning to bikes and such, and I notice a whole bunch of people walking now when they would previously drive. The "Family Walk" has become a lot more prevalent, especially if you live in a fairly well structured neighborhood with the necessities nearby. Shurakai on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 Most of my traveling to work is done by bus (diesel and natural gas) and train (light electric) these days. The car (a 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer) gets used to do grocery shopping and visit friends. As a result of this, I can go weeks between filling up. Prices in Perth seem to be about$1.60 a liter at the moment. We have been relatively lucky with the Aussie dollar strong against the US currently (go go resources boom!).
Doc wrote: »
Half the problem is the commodity futures trading commission standing around not doing their jobs. The market is being heavily manipulated.

As per the OP's request, I don't want to turn this into an energy debate, but the IEA disagrees with you (PDF warning, page 3 gives a summary). George Soros recently gave testimony at congressional hearings that this is supply and demand with some 'speculative froth' on top.

ICR on
• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
Speculation hardly fucks the market anyway. One of the original price falls we had was because the speculators simply ran out of room to keep storing oil. Bet they're laughing now.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
I'm looking forward to going flatting next year, closer to campus, so that I'll be able to walk/bike to class. I'll probably still have to drive to work, which will be a pain, as I'd quite like to just do away with my car all together.

Currently though, I'm not willing to bike to class, then to work, then home again at around midnight, lugging around all my books/work uniform, etc. Gas isn't quite expensive enough yet for me to be willing to deal with the inconvenience of not driving.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
I only live 3 miles from work but I'm wary of riding my bike. The first big intersection I would come to on the drive in doesn't have a dedicated left-turn light (and I need to turn left), so it's a bit of a free-for-all and there's a McDonald's across the way so breakfast traffic is heavy. Then on the way home there's a left turn back onto this main road and there are 2 left turn lanes turning left onto 3 lanes, so people in the right-most left turning lane either turn into the center or right-most lane.

tl:dr - how do you accomplish left hand turns on large/complex intersections?

*EDIT*
Now that I think about it, if I were to go straight where I need to make left turns, I end up on short roads that turn into shopping centers. Would it be best to go straight across and use the shopping center parking lots to turn?

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
Septus wrote: »
I can't imagine dealing with another 7 inches.

:winky:

That's what she said...

Sorry.

Anyway, I've been seriously considering selling my 2001 Nissan Xterra for another motorcycle. I've had two. One I totalled (her fault, blind old lady, etc, etc.), and one got stolen with about 500 miles on it. Even with my run of bad luck, I would love to give it another shot. I got anywhere from 30-50mpg on both my 2005 and my 2006 Kawi ZX6R, which is tons better than my current 17-ish MPG. The downside is, I put Regular in my car @ $4.21/Gal, whereas the bike requires premium @$4.40/Gal... I'd still be saving money though. And I'd have a bike. Double bonus, in my eyes.

I'd like to add that my mom's BMW 750Li has a metric fuckton of leg room, both front and back seats. And, considering it has a pretty kickass V8, it gets pretty good gas mileage too. Just a little bit out of my price range, though. I just steal hers whenever I feel like it. She had surgery on her spine several weeks ago and isn't allowed to drive for several more. WOOO!

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• Registered User, ClubPA regular
edited June 2008
I only live 3 miles from work but I'm wary of riding my bike. The first big intersection I would come to on the drive in doesn't have a dedicated left-turn light (and I need to turn left), so it's a bit of a free-for-all and there's a McDonald's across the way so breakfast traffic is heavy. Then on the way home there's a left turn back onto this main road and there are 2 left turn lanes turning left onto 3 lanes, so people in the right-most left turning lane either turn into the center or right-most lane.

tl:dr - how do you accomplish left hand turns on large/complex intersections?

*EDIT*
Now that I think about it, if I were to go straight where I need to make left turns, I end up on short roads that turn into shopping centers. Would it be best to go straight across and use the shopping center parking lots to turn?

For the way there:
I'd just sit in the left lane and turn at the intersection.

For the way back:
I would sit in the right-most turn lane, then turn into the right-most lane. Just keep an eye on people trying to take a free right on the red, thinking the lane will be open.

In general: If you are riding your bike in traffic, and there are two lanes going the same direction, sit in the middle of the right lane with a flashing tail light (they are only like $10). This keeps people from attempting to pass within two feet of you, and you aren't blocking traffic since they can use the other lane to pass. In my experience, it's safer to do this than trying to keep all the way right. Doc on • Registered User, ClubPA regular edited June 2008 Fuck cars, this is so much better. The only thing I don't like is that because I'm afraid of getting hit by cars I can't listen to my ipod. But that's not the bikes fault. iPods on a bike are one of my pet peeves. I'd yell at people who do it, but they can't hear anything so it'd do no good. Doc on • Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular edited June 2008 Doc wrote: » Fuck cars, this is so much better. The only thing I don't like is that because I'm afraid of getting hit by cars I can't listen to my ipod. But that's not the bikes fault. iPods on a bike are one of my pet peeves. I'd yell at people who do it, but they can't hear anything so it'd do no good. I advice you to not ever visit the Netherlands then, because you'd be permanently angry. SanderJK on Steam: SanderJK Origin: SanderJK • Registered User, ClubPA regular edited June 2008 SanderJK wrote: » Doc wrote: » Fuck cars, this is so much better. The only thing I don't like is that because I'm afraid of getting hit by cars I can't listen to my ipod. But that's not the bikes fault. iPods on a bike are one of my pet peeves. I'd yell at people who do it, but they can't hear anything so it'd do no good. I advice you to not ever visit the Netherlands then, because you'd be permanently angry. It likely wouldn't bother me so much there; driver attitudes are different towards bikers. The prevailing attitude of car drivers here is "HOOOOOONK GET OFF THE ROAD MOTHERFUCKER! *throws soda can*" On top of that, the roads here are not really designed with cycles in mind. For reference: http://www.ibike.org/library/statistics-data.htm "U.S. cyclists are three more likely to be killed than German cyclists and six times more than Dutch cyclists, whether compared per-trip or per-distance traveled. (Reuters, Aug. 28, 2003, by Maggie Fox)" Doc on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 jmdbcool wrote: » Proper tire inflation is good. Recommended tire inflation is for a balance of comfort and efficiency. Inflating tires to the max recommended level will give you a slightly bumpier ride, in exchange for more efficiency. It's funny you mention this... the news station was mentioning buying "low-friction" tires in order to save on gas. The reporter woman really thought this would be a great idea. Septus wrote: » Thanatos wrote: » Anyone who bitches about Hondas or Toyotas not having enough room doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. They frequently have more interior space than significantly larger luxury vehicles. I'm a big guy, and I can sit reasonably comfortably in the back of my Honda. I'd be pretty terribly uncomfortable sitting behind my seat(as far back as it can go) in my Protege. But legroom for driving is what I was talking about, that's much more important. It needs to be just right so your legs aren't forced up and around to straddle the wheel, and not so far back that you have to stretch your arms all the way out. The recent Honda models for Accords, Civics, Camrys, and Corollas are all very roomy inside compared to their predecessors... that may be what Thanatos is talking about. A lot of small to mid-sized cars of the past 7 or 8 years are roomier inside. Grranted, my Accord isn't a Crown Victoria or anything, but I can get 4 good-sized males in there without anyone complaining. As far as my changes in habits: I'm not driving my Mustang... at all. I'm considering getting a motorcycle for commuting if gas goes up another dollar (I don't need to use highways to commute). However, it often rains here, and it's fucking hot in the summer, so the viability of that is still suspect. GungHo on • Registered User admin edited June 2008 ElJeffe wrote: » Azio wrote: » ElJeffe wrote: » I wish I lived close enough to work to bike. I also wish my kids were old enough to not require daycare. Or that we had a live-in nanny. Also: a mansion. Haha, yeah, it's sure a good thing my parents had an SUV to cart us around in instead of a 15-year-old Mazda GLC, and a mansion instead of a 3-bedroom apartment in East Van. It's pretty much the only way to raise children. I don't know how we would have survived without those luxuries. "I have preschool kids, therefore I need a twenty mile per gallon truck and a mansion." LOL Wow, you're sort of a douche, huh? I think the underlying point is that you don't need an SUV just because you've got two kids. My mother had two kids. She drove a 2CV. We survived. Tube on • Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus edited June 2008 ElJeffe wrote: » Azio wrote: » ElJeffe wrote: » I wish I lived close enough to work to bike. I also wish my kids were old enough to not require daycare. Or that we had a live-in nanny. Also: a mansion. Haha, yeah, it's sure a good thing my parents had an SUV to cart us around in instead of a 15-year-old Mazda GLC, and a mansion instead of a 3-bedroom apartment in East Van. It's pretty much the only way to raise children. I don't know how we would have survived without those luxuries. "I have preschool kids, therefore I need a twenty mile per gallon truck and a mansion." LOL Wow, you're sort of a douche, huh? I think the underlying point is that you don't need an SUV just because you've got two kids. My mother had two kids. She drove a 2CV. We survived. Well, I know I don't need it. I even explicitly stated in another post that I knew I didn't need it, and that it was a convenience that was fast becoming less convenient due to high gas prices. He quoted an obviously tongue-in-cheek post and then misrepresented me as saying that I couldn't possibly hope to raise my children without an SUV, nanny, and mansion. Which was, you know, sort of a douche thing to do. ElJeffe on I submitted an entry to Lego Ideas, and if 10,000 people support me, it'll be turned into an actual Lego set!If you'd like to see and support my submission, follow this link. • Registered User admin edited June 2008 ElJeffe wrote: » Well, I know I don't need it. I even explicitly stated in another post that I knew I didn't need it, and that it was a convenience that was fast becoming less convenient due to high gas prices. He quoted an obviously tongue-in-cheek post and then misrepresented me as saying that I couldn't possibly hope to raise my children without an SUV, nanny, and mansion. Which was, you know, sort of a douche thing to do. I'm just saying, since you're a pussy democrat bitch now you should probably get a hybrid or a sewing machine or something. Tube on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 ElJeffe wrote: » Well, I know I don't need it. I even explicitly stated in another post that I knew I didn't need it, and that it was a convenience that was fast becoming less convenient due to high gas prices. He quoted an obviously tongue-in-cheek post and then misrepresented me as saying that I couldn't possibly hope to raise my children without an SUV, nanny, and mansion. Which was, you know, sort of a douche thing to do. I'm just saying, since you're a pussy democrat bitch now you should probably get a hybrid or a sewing machine or something. I hear rickshaws are making a comeback. Plus with the shitty economy, it'll be easy to find someone to power it! Malkor on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 The trick to getting by primarily by bike is to decide that you're going to do that before you find a place to live. Daedalus on • Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular edited June 2008 Daedalus wrote: » The trick to getting by primarily by bike is to decide that you're going to do that before you find a place to live. This so hard. The apartment we're moving into next month has a bus stop right outside that runs to either side of the uni campus. Now I just need to find a secondary job in that area. TL DR on • Registered User regular edited June 2008 My fiance and I started carpooling to work, as my jeep is far to pricy to drive as is, so now I'm going to sell it and we'll get by on one car. It's working pretty well so far as we live in downtown Anchorage, and everything we need is fairly close, and though work for me is about 6 or 7 miles away, it's a quick drive, and doubly efficient if I'm taking a small detour to drop her off first. The hard part is both of our families which want us to go visit on the weekends live in the next city North, 25 miles from where we live. That sucks. jeddy lee on Backlog Challenge: 0% 0/8 PS2 FF X replay PS3 God of War 1&2 HD Rachet and Clank Future MGS 4 Prince of Persia 360 Bayonetta Fable 3 DS FF: 4 heroes of light • Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus edited June 2008 It cost me$80 to fill my tank this morning.

Fuck it, as soon as Riley doesn't need a gunnysack full of paraphernalia, Mr. SUV is going bye-bye. I liked my old Civic. Maybe I could do a Civic Hybrid. Do you still get crazy tax credits for hybrids?

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
On NPR some guy was talking about how he had a Ford Excursion and an Expedition because he had 5 kids and that's the only way he can take them around, either that or a van... tried to sell his Expedition which KBB value was $23k or something, all the offers were$8k-11.5k
Silly man
Don't have so many kids!

poo
• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
My parents own a luxury SUV for fairly good reasons. It was bought when petrol was lower priced, but since it's time is used routinely (per week) to move large loads of recycling from their business, as well on occasion building materials (once we loaded about 500 bricks into the back, not to mention all the times we moved cinder blocks and the like) as well as having been used to move house about 4 times or so.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
We have a new Toyota Highlander because, well, sometimes you just need a big car. Like when I move back and forth from college. But since my parents bought a smaller car for me and my brother years ago, so we have 3, my dad takes it whenever I'm not using it to save gas.

poo
• Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
edited June 2008
On NPR some guy was talking about how he had a Ford Excursion and an Expedition because he had 5 kids and that's the only way he can take them around, either that or a van... tried to sell his Expedition which KBB value was $23k or something, all the offers were$8k-11.5k
Silly man
Don't have so many kids!

You can haul five kids in a minivan, which would probably get 25 mpg or so.

He has a Ford Excursion and an Expedition because he likes driving big fucking trucks.

That said, I'll miss being able to haul furniture when I need to.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008

My soon to be solution to rising gas prices.

Gas prices are getting to the point where I am thinking unless I do get a scooter, my whole paycheck will go just to be getting back and forth to work.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
I drive no more than 70 mph now, which adds a few MPG to my normal 80-85 mph speeds. My wife and I carpool everyday despite it being inconvenient (we work different hours, so one of us gets to work early, the other leaves late) and if I'm not expected to look great when I get there, I roll down the windows and turn off the A/C and sweat.

With daycare and an 11 mile commute, a bike doesn't really work for me at the moment.

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• Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
edited June 2008
So Cruise Control actually saves you gas huh? I didn't think it would have been a difference. I've started using it and setting it at about 68mph. I'll see if I can make another week without having to worry about gas.

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• Roaming the streets, waving his mod gun around.Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
edited June 2008
Cruise control saves you gas because it keeps you from accelerating and slowing down repeatedly. Doesn't work too well when you have to drive through dense traffic, like I do. It also doesn't work too well if you're driving over hilly regions, because it probably won't accelerate as gently up a hill as you would yourself in an effort to maintain speed.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
So yesterday I filled up my Mini Cooper S, which has a 55L tank.

$72 CAD. Keep in mind I use high octane fuel because of the supercharger, but man that is steep. I'm considering a Vespa at this point for getting around town. saint2e on • Registered User, ClubPA regular edited June 2008 I've been working from home more since we had our first baby anyway, but now I'm planning on trying to work at least two days a week from home. This is partly fuel related but there's plenty of other reasons for it too. I'm also considering purchasing my petrol midweek rather than at the weekend as it seems to be cheaper then. PS saint2e - Top Gear or What Car? magazine (I can't remember which - I was reading it in a takeaway) did a feature on high octane fuel which concluded that it had no discernable benefit over regular fuel in road cars. I wouldn't waste your money on it personally, even if your car manual suggests using it. Szechuanosaurus on • Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular edited June 2008 From the Presidency thread: Scientists Genetically Engineer Petrol-Shitting Bacteria. In other news, Saudis declare holy war on infidel United States. TL DR on • Cynical Old Man Registered User regular edited June 2008 Yeah, luckily I drive to work and home at odd times. Sometimes I leave at 5pm, so I usually set my CC at about 65mph and let people pass me. It's at about$50 to fill up my 12Gallon tank. Which is doable, since it's only once every two weeks.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
Man, I'd like to get a scooter, but looking around at them, I'm pretty sure I would die. Does anyone know where I can find a good guide for cc -> mph, or other engine performance? I read somewhere that 50cc is around 30 mph max, and I'd like something a little more than that, just so I can match traffic on the surface streets around here a little better.

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• passed out on the floor nowRegistered User regular
edited June 2008
Yes: I am moving about 10 miles closer to my job so I can walk to work instead of drive. This is an extremely privileged solution.

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• Registered User regular
edited June 2008
PS saint2e - Top Gear or What Car? magazine (I can't remember which - I was reading it in a takeaway) did a feature on high octane fuel which concluded that it had no discernable benefit over regular fuel in road cars. I wouldn't waste your money on it personally, even if your car manual suggests using it.

Problem is my compression ratio is low enough to warrant using the higher octane fuel. Normally I wouldn't, but in this case I don't want my baby to experience engine damage.

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