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AFI Top 10 in 10
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The AFI had a special for the top 10 movies in 10 different categories. Some obvious choices were made, but on the whole, I'm...underwhelmed. Especially by their categories. For those who won't click on a link, the categories were:
Animation
Romantic Comedies
Western
Sports
Fantasy
Mystery
Sci-Fi
Gangster
Courtroom Drama
Epic
Not sure if I feel like putting up 100 different winners, so I'll spoiler the winner in each category:
A list like this is bound to disappoint, and what's stange to me is that I don't get the way they categorized these. Where are the straight comedies (ed: as opposed to the gay ones?)? Musicals? War films? Action?
Thoughts from film connoissuers? Note: these are American films, so don't expect Spirited Away to win Animation or Pan's Labyrinth in Fantasy.
My thoughts: Having a sports area is a great way to include Raging Bull, but most of the others were toss ups. Field of Dreams was under fantasy, not Sports, so whatever that's about... By breaking out Sci-Fi they avoided a need for Horror (Alien) or Action (T2). It was all just weird and arbitrary.
Also, the ommission of Casablanca is just plain asinine.
Animation
Romantic Comedies
Western
Sports
Fantasy
Mystery
Sci-Fi
Gangster
Courtroom Drama
Epic
Not sure if I feel like putting up 100 different winners, so I'll spoiler the winner in each category:
Animation - Snow White
Romantic Comedies - City Lights
Western - The Searchers
Sports - Raging Bull
Fantasy - Wizard of Oz
Mystery - Vertigo
Sci-Fi - 2001
Gangster - The Godfather
Courtroom Drama - To Kill a Mockingbird
Epic - Lawrence of Arabia
Romantic Comedies - City Lights
Western - The Searchers
Sports - Raging Bull
Fantasy - Wizard of Oz
Mystery - Vertigo
Sci-Fi - 2001
Gangster - The Godfather
Courtroom Drama - To Kill a Mockingbird
Epic - Lawrence of Arabia
A list like this is bound to disappoint, and what's stange to me is that I don't get the way they categorized these. Where are the straight comedies (ed: as opposed to the gay ones?)? Musicals? War films? Action?
Thoughts from film connoissuers? Note: these are American films, so don't expect Spirited Away to win Animation or Pan's Labyrinth in Fantasy.
My thoughts: Having a sports area is a great way to include Raging Bull, but most of the others were toss ups. Field of Dreams was under fantasy, not Sports, so whatever that's about... By breaking out Sci-Fi they avoided a need for Horror (Alien) or Action (T2). It was all just weird and arbitrary.
Also, the ommission of Casablanca is just plain asinine.
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2001 is a fucking fantastic movie. I mean I don't love the freakout session that lasts way too long, but the rest is god damn brilliant.
Why is fantasy not LotR? (or RotK or Two Towers) though?
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I saw this list yesterday- Fellowship hit 2nd place, no mention of the other movies anywhere else. I just assumed that took the place for the trilogy.
Also I like how Animation is 90% the Disney category.
Why is Courtroom Drama a fucking category anyway when they don't even have an Action category? This whole list is stupid and dumb from the get-go
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Probably because, like it or not, Disney revolutionized animation.
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I assumed this as well until they had both Godfather I and II in "gangster". In their defence, I guess there aren't all that many gangster movies, but still. The choices in the fantasy category seemed like a major cop out, same for romantic comedy. War would have been a far better category than Courtroom Drama.
Sci-Fi was pretty much on point though. Two nods for Kubrick, gotta respect that. It does however sort of question the "American" aspect of the list: filmed in London, and I always though Kubrick stopped considerigng himself an American.
And there aren't many non-Disney animated films that are American.
Financed by an American company I think. Same reason for Bridge of the River Kwai and Lawrence of Arabia.
This was during Kubricks later life when he became paranoid of traveling.
oh yeah guess that may not be considered american
"Epic" was war + Ten Commandments and Ben-Hur I think.
The lists are american movies only.
e: I meant the ones listed in the OP. After going through the site, I've seen a good few of them...
And Remember the Titans isn't in the top sports list? I call shenanigans !
e2: Big is in the top 10 fantasy films? Bullshit!
Not really, but it's not clearly stated in the movie what it's trying to advocate.
It's a little clearer in the book. It's not about intelligent design, it's playing with the notion of uplift.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Pretty much. I don't consider romantic comedy to be a genre that was particularly rockin' during the period of classic movies in the 40s and 50s, and yet there was a total of two movies that were remotely modern, and they were 80s movies.
I enjoyed 2001 a space odessy, Its a good film. The graphics may be a little dated and last for possibly longer then absolutely necessary, but it does work. There are other "Sci Fi" films that might be better, but they should/could really go in other catagories.....like horror, action, drama and so on. 2001 really fits the Sci Fi category better then say Aliens.
Personally the LotR movies set the bar for fantasy in my opinion.
Snow white was OK...I guess they just don't like pixar?
I don't think I've seen the rest of the winners there, so I can't comment.
hah, i was like wtf too.
list is ok, obviously can be argued.
but for Myster - Rear Window > Vertigo. hands down.
To be fair, though, most of them are the best of the genre. Yeah, Romcoms get put out like every other week now, but most of them are trash like The Wedding Planner or Fool's Gold. Adam's Rib is a poor choice, though, there are so many better Hepburn/Tracy movies.
Also, part of me thinks Unforgiven should've been higher on that list...
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My Man Godfrey, for RomCom
Memento, for Mystery.
Who Framed Roger Rabbit, for Fantasy.
The Court Jester, I guess for RomCom, though it was light on the romance.
I kinda wish there was a nod to The Thin Man movies, in Mystery, but I can concede that all the movies in the list could be more worthy than The Thin Man.
Also, it's pretty obvious to me that SciFi should have been folded together with Fantasy, because, Big, really? Also, fuck Christmas movies.
I would suspect that a part of the decision was keeping in mind the impact of the movie at the time. Nobody had seen anything like that in 1939. Plus, Wizard has more influence in the general culture. Everybody knows "Over the Rainbow" and "We're not in Kansas anymore."
I was very much surprised that Close Encounters of the Third Kind didn't make the list, nor The Natural.
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For animation, yea, Snow White holds up but I don't consider best = quality * time, just quality. I haven't seen the last generation of Disney movies (Hercules, Mulan, etc) but I'd put any of the ones from my day above it for sure (Lion King, Beauty & The Beast, Little Mermaid, Toy Story, Aladdin).
Not making LoTR (just pick one from it and we'll get the idea) #1 in fantasy is just wrong. Again, they use best = quality * time, and I'm not so nostalgic.
Reminds me of the list they (I think it was them) came out for with "100 Must See Movies". So many movies on it that weren't actually good, just on there because they were old and historically significant in some way.
When the movie up to that point is so perfect it's still one of the greatest movies ever. Aswell as the fact that it's not trash, only too long and gets annoying.
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