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Final Fantasy Tactics A2: I fought the belts and the belts won.

StericaSterica YesRegistered User, Moderator mod
edited December 2008 in Games and Technology
It's out!
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What is this game?

The sequel to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, of course. It's a turn-based strategy RPG similar to the Ogre Battle series. You build up a clan, give your dudes jobs and have them hurt people. Or heal people, if you're really radical.

What's the story?
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Luso finds a book at his school and is teleported to Ivalice. The real Ivalice, not the weird Ivalice in the first FFTA. The story is about Luso finding his way home with the help of Cid and Clan Gully.

FFTA2 is noted for having very little actual story. You'll spend a big chunk of time where the story really doesn't advance. This makes the story rather...neutral, as there's really none to judge.

Some FFXII characters make cameos, along with FFTA characters.

What's new?

There are several new races in addition to the old Hume, Moogle, Bangaa, Numou and Viera races, the Seeq and Gria are added to the game. Here is a job chart to see what's available. Stat growth chart for classes.

There is also the ability to summon Scions by filling a Smash meter. This meter however, does NOT empty when you use one. Instead, there's restricted use on each Scion.

The game's map system no longer allows you to customize the lay of the land. While this means a somewhat more static experience each game, it also means you don't get screwed out of rare loot. Instead, the areas are broken into smaller segments which compose a larger world. There are several cities and areas to explore.

The game also has auctions for control of these areas. Every so often, clans get the chance to bid on these areas. Controlling a zone has certain perks.

Also in the game is the Bazaar, where random drops can be sent off in exchange for new swag at shops. Don't sell off that junk!

Finally, Clan Trials are challenges that give you titles which bestow certain benefits such as reduced shop prices.

Are Laws Back?

Yes, laws are back and sexier than ever. They have gone changes and don't restrict your play as harshly as before, but there is a definite element of risk if you do go criminal. There are now passive buffs you gain for obeying the law: the old judge points are gone. There's also no specific thing you have to do to get the buff(s). Don't perform the forbidden actions and all is well. If you break the law, your clan loses the buff(s) and you lose the ability to revive dead characters (with spells, not perma-death).

So if your clan is way too weak by following the law, you can still actually USE whatever it is that's forbidden without your characters being hauled off to prison. You'll just lose the perk and suffer a somewhat serious handicap.

Helpful Stuff

My characters are getting their asses kicked. What the hell?

The game has a lot of side quests, and it's best to focus on those a bit before going to story quests. Story quests, by the way, have no time limit whereas side quests do.

No more quests within my level are available. What else can I do?

At a certain point in the game, random events will pop up at select zones (designated by a ? in a thought cloud). Sometimes these will be NPCs giving loot or such, but in many cases it'll be a battle.

New recruits start coming...when?

FFTA2 is more stingy with new blood for your clan. A quest will pop up that let's you select a new clanmate after answering some questions. Also, the aforementioned events will sometimes be a random dude looking for a clan. What race you get depends on the current time of the game year. The quest is repeatable after a number of days pass.

Why shouldn't I change a character's class?

Each class gains a specific amount of stats each level. So, a Soldier might get stats better for sword swingin' than a Black Mage. If a character has no new abilities to learn, change his or her class to something with the optimal stat growth for whatever you plan on doing with that character.

Anything to know about the law?

Charmed/confused characters can still violate the law. Keep Esuna handy!

How about Abilities?

Keep in mind that your ENTIRE CLAN gets ability points when you complete a quest or win a battle. You bring characters into battles for experience. So if your Juggler is ten levels higher than anyone, but is learning a crucial ability, don't be afraid to bench him for someone more needing of exp.

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    hoodie13hoodie13 punch bro Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Release date?

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    BasilBasil Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    This is excellent news, as it brings with it the possibity of playing another story that revolves around crushing the hopes and dreams of small children in the cruelest way possible.

    That being setting them on fire and destroying everything they've worked for in an orgy of blood, pain and Moogle parts.

    Or something. The first game was weird.


    Hear, hear for touch screen tactical goodness!

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    NaloutoNalouto Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I had a problem with the other game (FFTA1) having such LOW numbers... It felt like "my first SRPG"

    I understand the strategy aspect is still fun regardless of how much damage you do, but seriously, it took HOURS upon HOURS before you had anyone doing an attack over 100 damage, and I always hated that. D:

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    commathecommathe Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The first one was stupidly easy. My main character was a knight with doublesword, with a posse of 4ish viera assassins, half with sharpshoot and half with earth (I think) magic.

    I really didnt like having to learn skills by items, I preferred the job point system of FFT, and occasionally the law system was retarded, like not being able to use the Fight command.

    It was still a lot of fun though and I will be picking this one up. The main thing I would have done more with was the mission thing, where you send 1 or 2 clan members off to complete a task. I always thought it would be cool to have the option to play those out.

    Edit: Also theres a thread for this game and FF4 here http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=60291

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    hoodie13 wrote: »
    Release date?
    Wednesday.

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    taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    commathe wrote: »
    The first one was stupidly easy. My main character was a knight with doublesword, with a posse of 4ish viera assassins, half with sharpshoot and half with earth (I think) magic.

    I really didnt like having to learn skills by items, I preferred the job point system of FFT, and occasionally the law system was retarded, like not being able to use the Fight command.

    It was still a lot of fun though and I will be picking this one up. The main thing I would have done more with was the mission thing, where you send 1 or 2 clan members off to complete a task. I always thought it would be cool to have the option to play those out.

    That was the problem I had with the original FFTA...It just doesn't seem right to call it a SRPG when no strategy is actually involved, or at the very least required..hopefully they ramp it up a little for 2

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    The game is out now. I have played for a total of five minutes, but the graphics are pretty and the game does have a hard mode option.

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    Steel AngelSteel Angel Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    It's kind of a dick move when a judge tells you he doesn't care how you dispatch your opponents in a mission, then proceeds to make elemental attacks illegal.

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    ChalkbotChalkbot Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Blast! Laws are still in? I hate the fucking laws. If they had the perception to see that people didn't exactly embrace the laws the first time around, why the hell didn't they just remove them?

    "Whoa!, some people think laws totally suck, others don't mind... what should we do?"
    "Hmmm, how many people think laws are totally awesome again?"
    "Uh... let's see here... looks like..., um, two."
    "Excellent, we'll tone down the severity of the laws, those two people will love it!"
    "And the rest?"
    "Tell the rest that they're not allowed to not like laws in this game, muahahahaha."


    The item skill thing also sucked, but I could live with it.

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    RaslinRaslin Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Judges and Laws are a fairly integral part of the FFTA/Ivalice games, other than the original FFT(seeing as the entire world is pretty much involved in war, and you're sorta the nobility yourself).

    But nah, complain about it without checking out the differences. They obviously put something horrible in their game, again, after people bitching about it, without trying to make it work well this time around. Certainly.

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    ElementalorElementalor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Following laws gets you lewts, which I like. Not following the laws+hard mode = a challenge since you get the restriction in the OP, less loot, and no fight buff.

    It's a nice system I think, lets you make the game as tough as you want. Though, I'm not a huge fan of learning abilities from weapons but it's an interesting change from the SRPG's i've played lately.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Following laws gets you lewts, which I like. Not following the laws+hard mode = a challenge since you get the restriction in the OP, less loot, and no fight buff.

    It's a nice system I think, lets you make the game as tough as you want. Though, I'm not a huge fan of learning abilities from weapons but it's an interesting change from the SRPG's i've played lately.

    The nice thing about learning abilities from weapons is that it encourages you to use every weapon (or most of them) throughout the game, rather than never having to think and always picking the weapon with the highest attack power.

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    ElementalorElementalor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Following laws gets you lewts, which I like. Not following the laws+hard mode = a challenge since you get the restriction in the OP, less loot, and no fight buff.

    It's a nice system I think, lets you make the game as tough as you want. Though, I'm not a huge fan of learning abilities from weapons but it's an interesting change from the SRPG's i've played lately.

    The nice thing about learning abilities from weapons is that it encourages you to use every weapon (or most of them) throughout the game, rather than never having to think and always picking the weapon with the highest attack power.

    Yeah that way it's nice and gets one to buy every weapon that becomes available instead of having a lot of trash weapons, but I kinda liked not needing to re-outfit my team after every few battles so I don't feel like I'm wasting points. But that's probably since I play mainly while I commute.

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    ArikadoArikado Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I just got this today and so far it is pretty pleasing and nostalgic. However, menus menus menus menus menus.

    It's expected, I know. But I stopped playing Pokémon because of this.

    EDIT: Also, Opportunity Events are neat.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited June 2008
    It's kind of a dick move when a judge tells you he doesn't care how you dispatch your opponents in a mission, then proceeds to make elemental attacks illegal.
    I had a judge make a trial law forbidding "missing". I don't mind outlawing stuff within my control, but a team with 100% accuracy is the only real way to make that law controllable.

    The new law system is still really cool, though. The first game got insane with laws towards the end, stacking you with three or so of the damn things. I dunno if the number of laws will increase in A2, but you at least get items and a buff of your choosing.

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    cjeriscjeris Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Is this really the only FFTA2 thread?

    Game is very slick and pretty but oh god it's so slow.

    Also, please tell me there's a preference I can't find, which makes tapping a square with the stylus actually select that square instead of moving the cursor one space toward that square, i.e., exactly the same thing I could have done with the D-pad. (Who makes these boneheaded UI design decisions? It seems like every recent Square Enix game, except for TWEWY, has at least one utter UI design fail.)

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    randombattlerandombattle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I really don't know why they needed to add in all this random bullshit in FFT. Whats wrong with a straight up kill shit, get xp and jp, unlock new classes, repeat. I don't really like the whole LOL ITEMS HAEV SKILLS and ONLY THIS RACE CAN BE BULLSHIT CLASS!!!!!!11!!!!!! Also laws... ugh...

    FFT needs to relax off all these random bullshit rules and restrictions. FFT was great because you could just make anyone anything you want.

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    BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    So, then. Don't play FFTA and play FFT instead?

    I like all that stuff you mentioned and wasn't fond of the "toss rocks at each other so you get JP!" in FFT.

    Which is why I play FFTA and not FFT.

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    MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Chalkbot wrote: »
    Blast! Laws are still in? I hate the fucking laws. If they had the perception to see that people didn't exactly embrace the laws the first time around, why the hell didn't they just remove them?

    Laws are less restrictive this time around. You follow them and get extra loots at the end of the battle if you do, instead of, "Hi. This battle is full of nothing but beasts. The law is Don't Attack Beasts. Have fun."

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I like this game.

    I also like the item=ability system. It goes really well with the idea of focusing all their attention on tons and tons and tons of little sidequest-stories instead of the main plot itself.

    I think if you go into it knowing it's all about the fun little activities and mini-stories, the "main" plot snapping in half with a stiff breeze won't bother you so much.

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    SonelanSonelan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Any opinions on the Blue Mage? I'm thinking about making Luso one instead of going melee like I normally do in these games.

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    captainkcaptaink TexasRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    But the main always has to be a ninja. Don't you understand?

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    RocketlexRocketlex Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    So, are there still instant-KO abilities with low accuracy? And are there still passive abilities which raise that accuracy to ridiculous levels, essentially breaking the game?

    Because that was my favorite part of FFTA.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Blackjack wrote: »
    So, then. Don't play FFTA and play FFT instead?

    I like all that stuff you mentioned and wasn't fond of the "toss rocks at each other so you get JP!" in FFT.

    Which is why I play FFTA and not FFT.

    Agreed. As much as I love FFT (and count it among my favorite games ever), there's no question that SRPGs have *LONG* needed to move past this bullshit where it makes more sense to drag combat out doing useless shit to build levels/unlock skills than it does to come up with a strategy, execute said strategy, and get rewarded for doing it well.

    FFTA2 does this very well...much better than its predecessor, which got too mucked up in the goofy law bullshit and too many crossover classes to be really awesome.

    It's great having actual, substantial difference between race...if there were no class restrictions, what would be the point of having multiple races (aside from an aesthetic choice)?

    Also, someone asked about multiple laws. The answer is no. There will always be only one law per battle.

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    ElementalorElementalor Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    captaink wrote: »
    But the main always has to be a ninja. Don't you understand?

    nonono, the hot girl is the ninja, the main is the yojimbo, duuuh

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    MovitzMovitz Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    It's kind of a dick move when a judge tells you he doesn't care how you dispatch your opponents in a mission, then proceeds to make elemental attacks illegal.

    Well, that annoyed the fuck out of me as well but it's probably just something that got lost in translation. What they want to tell you is to use any means to get rid of the Flans, which for some reason means talking to them. That "fight" is easy when you finally see the experiment-option

    Another thing that I found disturbing as hell on the same theme was the fight whith the law against not using MP. It took a while for me just see the double negation so I didn't use any magic first. When I finally realized what it said I still lost when I used a potion. Turns out that the law in that fight means "only heal by using MP"

    THAT! My friends is my main peeve with the game. If you have to have dumbass laws in the game at least write them down in plain fucking english so that people can fucking abide them!! /Rant

    Otherwise it's a great game. I'm roughly 5 hours into it. Just completed the first tier of clan trials. Can anyone tell me where to find the previlege AP up. Can someone also explain to me on what grounds the gained AP is calculated. The EXP seems to be a function of how active a character is in fighting.

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    Lux782Lux782 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I enjoyed FFT and FFTA however since I just got EO2 I am debating the purchase of FFTA2 right now. I like the difficulty of EO2 and so what is the hard mode like in FFTA2?

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    kaliyamakaliyama Left to find less-moderated fora Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
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    What is this game?

    The sequel to Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, of course. It's a turn-based strategy RPG similar to the Ogre Battle series. You build up a clan, give your dudes jobs and have them hurt people.

    What's the story?
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    But seriously...I can't find a whole lot on it. A kid is in his last detention before summer, and finds the book that took the other characters to Ivalice. Hilarity ensues.

    You know what that sounds like? it sounds like they ripped off gang of daggers!

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    bakatrinhbakatrinh Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I liked the look of the beginning of FFTA. Where its all modern and stuff. I was hoping the game would've took place there. Then the characters got transported into Ivalice and I was disappointed. I wish they'd make a Final Fantasy that take place in modern time. Cars, schools, urban buildings, etc.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    bakatrinh wrote: »
    I liked the look of the beginning of FFTA. Where its all modern and stuff. I was hoping the game would've took place there. Then the characters got transported into Ivalice and I was disappointed. I wish they'd make a Final Fantasy that take place in modern time. Cars, schools, urban buildings, etc.

    That would be awesome as fuck.

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Movitz wrote: »
    It's kind of a dick move when a judge tells you he doesn't care how you dispatch your opponents in a mission, then proceeds to make elemental attacks illegal.

    Well, that annoyed the fuck out of me as well but it's probably just something that got lost in translation. What they want to tell you is to use any means to get rid of the Flans, which for some reason means talking to them. That "fight" is easy when you finally see the experiment-option

    Another thing that I found disturbing as hell on the same theme was the fight whith the law against not using MP. It took a while for me just see the double negation so I didn't use any magic first. When I finally realized what it said I still lost when I used a potion. Turns out that the law in that fight means "only heal by using MP"

    THAT! My friends is my main peeve with the game. If you have to have dumbass laws in the game at least write them down in plain fucking english so that people can fucking abide them!! /Rant

    Otherwise it's a great game. I'm roughly 5 hours into it. Just completed the first tier of clan trials. Can anyone tell me where to find the previlege AP up. Can someone also explain to me on what grounds the gained AP is calculated. The EXP seems to be a function of how active a character is in fighting.

    AP is a flat rate. You get 30 per standard mission or "random" battle, and 80 for story missions.

    In regards to that law, if you read the description, it specifically applies to abilities (ie, any non-attack/wait command). "Item" is an ability, and it uses no MP, therefore is prohibited when that law is active.

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    Jam WarriorJam Warrior Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Can someone find me a nice class tree for A2 like this one for the previous game?

    http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gbadvance/file/560436/25619

    It's nice to know what you're aiming for from the start.

    Oh and is it possible to miss anything big in this game? There was a bit too much of that previously with the whole throwing the wrong item away screwing you out of a full mission log thingy.

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    PratleyPratley Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    bakatrinh wrote: »
    I liked the look of the beginning of FFTA. Where its all modern and stuff. I was hoping the game would've took place there. Then the characters got transported into Ivalice and I was disappointed. I wish they'd make a Final Fantasy that take place in modern time. Cars, schools, urban buildings, etc.

    That would be awesome as fuck.

    So like The World Ends with You but without touchscreen combat?

    You could have VespaKnights and Cellphonemancers! Hobo would be a viable class too!

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    Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pratley wrote: »
    bakatrinh wrote: »
    I liked the look of the beginning of FFTA. Where its all modern and stuff. I was hoping the game would've took place there. Then the characters got transported into Ivalice and I was disappointed. I wish they'd make a Final Fantasy that take place in modern time. Cars, schools, urban buildings, etc.

    That would be awesome as fuck.

    So like The World Ends with You but without touchscreen combat?

    You could have VespaKnights and Cellphonemancers! Hobo would be a viable class too!

    No, TWEWY is a completely different style than I'd ever want an FFT-type game to be.

    But something set in a modern world with either a fantasy story that involves lots of "real world" stuff, or a more realistic story (because I honestly can't think of one, and it'd be kinda cool to play something without a hint of fantasy to it). Add to that the gameplay of FFTA2 (specifically, the pacing of the character development and the variety of classes/abilities), and I'd be a happy camper.

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    Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Pratley wrote: »
    bakatrinh wrote: »
    I liked the look of the beginning of FFTA. Where its all modern and stuff. I was hoping the game would've took place there. Then the characters got transported into Ivalice and I was disappointed. I wish they'd make a Final Fantasy that take place in modern time. Cars, schools, urban buildings, etc.

    That would be awesome as fuck.

    So like The World Ends with You but without touchscreen combat?

    You could have VespaKnights and Cellphonemancers! Hobo would be a viable class too!

    Wait...

    Hobomancers!

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    ScrabbleDudeScrabbleDude Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I don't know why people get so pissed off about the laws in the first game. By the time the game starts really nailing you with hard ones you've got cards to change them and nullify them. Never once did I say, "Shit! Now my whole battle plan is screwed." It was more like, "No physical attacks? Getting rid of that law."

    Really enjoying this game so far. A lot of my complaints with the first game -- mainly the shop interface -- have been fixed.

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    Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Everytime an SRPG gets released, I wonder to myself why a clone hasn't been made for the PC. I keep expecting a Westernized, barebones SRPG to show up on Sourceforge.

    And Wesnoth doesn't count. Feels different.

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    Venkman90Venkman90 Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    7/10 on Eurogamer, review reads like a 6 at times, meh

    http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=159363

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    YerMumYerMum Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wait...

    Hobomancers!
    Coming soon in OARSPOD Episode 2!

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    poshnialloposhniallo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    I've played the J-version for around a hundred hours.

    I think it's quite a good game....

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