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I worked damned hard for three years to get a good degree, I got my results yesterday only to discover that I got a 2:2. I am just fucking disgusted.
I went to the faculty office a couple of weeks before this to go over the marks I had earned and it looked like I was lining up to get a solid 2:1, which was great. Something disastrous would have to happen for me to get anything less. Something disastrous clearly happened...
I am going to appeal to sort this out, I deserve higher for the amount of time and effort I put into this course. Especially with the marks I was looking at 2 weeks prior to all this. I don't get the list of marks I got for individual modules until this coming friday, so I'm not sure where everything went wrong yet.
My question is this, how likely is it that I am going to be able to fix my grade? What's the best way to go about solving this? And has anyone had experience of this before, how did it turn out?
While I don't know what that grading system is, judging by my experiences as a grad assistant in the States I'd rate your chances somewhere between "incredibly unlikely" and "completely impossible". It sets a really bad precedent. It looks like whoever helped you estimate your grades a couple weeks ago was just wrong. I saw this sort of thing happen probably a dozen times in 2 years and no student ever successfully complained their way into a better grade.
You need to find out what the module is you failed at. Obviously something went downhill very quickly.
Don't be "disgusted" or angry, just call up your department and talk to them calmly, and ask what the grade was. Ask them what the procedures are for remarking, as the grade is obviously significantly lower than you expected.
You have to remember that, in all honesty, there probably hasn't been a mistake. Universities take examining much more seriously than you might think.
While I don't know what that grading system is, judging by my experiences as a grad assistant in the States I'd rate your chances somewhere between "incredibly unlikely" and "completely impossible". It sets a really bad precedent. It looks like whoever helped you estimate your grades a couple weeks ago was just wrong. I saw this sort of thing happen probably a dozen times in 2 years and no student ever successfully complained their way into a better grade.
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Just semi agreeing with this.. I've known lots of people who have tried to fight grades, but most were because they just "knew" or "could not do without" the lower score. Very few usually go in with any valid reason for it.
Of those I've known who had a valid reason, only 2 ever got anything done about it (on in the states, one in Canada), and only one of those was able to actually get the grade adjusted (as she was able to show clear evidence of the teacher grading her work inappropriately).
I'd say your best course of action (like someone above said) is to find out exactly what went wrong first... and then you can see if it actually merits fighting. Maybe whoever estimated your grades did it wrong... hard to say, but don't go looking to fight it without a good solid reaosn, as it iwll just waste your time.
It's an English university btw. For anyone who doesn't know; Bachelor degrees in England go (from highest to lowest) 1st, 2:1, 2:2, 3rd then fail.
A 2:2 is nothing to be proud of if you put the effort in like I did. A 2:2 is for someone who didn't really try and got lucky. It's just frustrating because (queue violin) I've had my Grandad pay tuition and my Parents buy me an expensive Mac and a Video Camera (It's a practical film course). I've been invested in and to not get a decent result, I'm not just letting myself down.
Hell, I even had my Grandad come over midway through my third year and tell me he wanted a 1st or 2:1 out of me, when he said this he actually shook his fist at me. When you have a 6 foot 3, seventy six year old man shake his fist at you, he isn't joking around.
Not only that, but the university really was shite; it was an awful three years and if I knew it was all going to be for what is effectively a 'C' grade? Fuck that I would've quit ages ago, not wasted everyone's time and found work as a runner.
Because of all this, I haven't even told anyone yet. I found out on Friday and I've had people were calling me expecting good news. So far I've told just said that I got the date wrong and results aren't out for another month or so. Give me time to try and rectify this mess.
So, I will be harassing the faculty for changes, but at least now I know not to expect much.
Oh and Lewisham, nice to see a fellow Bristolion on PA.
You can argue your way up a classification in the UK. You need to find out whether you got close to a 2:1 - anything above 58 or so. Then you have to be able to show you did achieve 2:1 marks in a few modules, so as to demonstrate you can work at that level. If you scored a good 2:1 in either essays or exams when considered separately, point out that too.
You can talk your way up, but the key thing is the mark - much below the 60 and you just can't change it. Find out your precise marks. Ring your personal tutor if you have one; they'll be sympathetic. Then get on to the faculty. You'll need to do this quickly, before graduation. Nothing will change if you don't badger them.
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A 2:2 is nothing to be proud of if you put the effort in like I did. A 2:2 is for someone who didn't really try and got lucky. It's just frustrating because (queue violin) I've had my Grandad pay tuition and my Parents buy me an expensive Mac and a Video Camera (It's a practical film course). I've been invested in and to not get a decent result, I'm not just letting myself down.
First off: a 2:2 isn't something to be ashamed of either. It is what it is. It's still a degree. It won't make a blind bit of difference after you get your first job.
Plus, if you intend to carry on doing film work, your portfolio that you built up is much more important than your degree.
Talk to your department and your tutor, try and assess what happened. You just need to sit on your hands until Monday (easier said than done, I know).
You can argue your way up a classification in the UK for sure. You need to find out whether you got close to a 2:1 - anything about 58 really. Then you have to be able to show your achieved 2:1 marks in a good few modules, so as to demonstrate you can work at that level. If you scored a good 2:1 in either essays or exams when considered separately, point out that too.
You can talk your way up, but the key thing is the mark - much below the 60 and you just can't change it.
There would have been a viva if it was a boundary mark.
Well, you should probably be asking yourself if you put in the necessary amount of work. I can sympathize when you bust your ass to get a B in a micro class or something. However, did you actually do work, or are you in denial?
Also, did you do any modules outside of your school? If you did, hope that it was the results for those that dragged you down. If you got a 2:1 when considering purely your school's modules, they'd be much more amenable to awarding you one overall. Find that out.
I think you're putting too much emphasis on the actual grade and not enough on what you got out of it. Did you learn a lot and master some skills you didn't have before? If yes, then who cares about the grade (especially since it doesn't seem like it's that bad)? You should be focusing more on the learning aspect than on getting a good grade.
Anecdote: I am taking Japanese at college, just finished my first year of it. It is easily the hardest class I have ever taken. I bust my ass in there, working on it literally all day every day when I'm not busy with other classes. Despite this, I only got a B in the class both semesters. This didn't make me mad though, since I'm learning a huge amount in there, directly proportional to what I'm putting into it.
So what I'm saying is, focus more on what you've learned and less on grades. Knowing your shit will matter a whole lot more at a job than what grades you got.
It won't make a blind bit of difference after you get your first job.
Limed for truth. Unless you're looking to pursue a post-graduate degree, grades don't mean shit a year out of school. For real world jobs, either you have a degree, or you don't have a degree. As soon as you have a year's worth of work experience, no one in the working world cares exactly how many points you were given in your university's inscrutable grading system.
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Don't be "disgusted" or angry, just call up your department and talk to them calmly, and ask what the grade was. Ask them what the procedures are for remarking, as the grade is obviously significantly lower than you expected.
You have to remember that, in all honesty, there probably hasn't been a mistake. Universities take examining much more seriously than you might think.
Just semi agreeing with this.. I've known lots of people who have tried to fight grades, but most were because they just "knew" or "could not do without" the lower score. Very few usually go in with any valid reason for it.
Of those I've known who had a valid reason, only 2 ever got anything done about it (on in the states, one in Canada), and only one of those was able to actually get the grade adjusted (as she was able to show clear evidence of the teacher grading her work inappropriately).
I'd say your best course of action (like someone above said) is to find out exactly what went wrong first... and then you can see if it actually merits fighting. Maybe whoever estimated your grades did it wrong... hard to say, but don't go looking to fight it without a good solid reaosn, as it iwll just waste your time.
It's an English university btw. For anyone who doesn't know; Bachelor degrees in England go (from highest to lowest) 1st, 2:1, 2:2, 3rd then fail.
A 2:2 is nothing to be proud of if you put the effort in like I did. A 2:2 is for someone who didn't really try and got lucky. It's just frustrating because (queue violin) I've had my Grandad pay tuition and my Parents buy me an expensive Mac and a Video Camera (It's a practical film course). I've been invested in and to not get a decent result, I'm not just letting myself down.
Hell, I even had my Grandad come over midway through my third year and tell me he wanted a 1st or 2:1 out of me, when he said this he actually shook his fist at me. When you have a 6 foot 3, seventy six year old man shake his fist at you, he isn't joking around.
Not only that, but the university really was shite; it was an awful three years and if I knew it was all going to be for what is effectively a 'C' grade? Fuck that I would've quit ages ago, not wasted everyone's time and found work as a runner.
Because of all this, I haven't even told anyone yet. I found out on Friday and I've had people were calling me expecting good news. So far I've told just said that I got the date wrong and results aren't out for another month or so. Give me time to try and rectify this mess.
So, I will be harassing the faculty for changes, but at least now I know not to expect much.
Oh and Lewisham, nice to see a fellow Bristolion on PA.
You can talk your way up, but the key thing is the mark - much below the 60 and you just can't change it. Find out your precise marks. Ring your personal tutor if you have one; they'll be sympathetic. Then get on to the faculty. You'll need to do this quickly, before graduation. Nothing will change if you don't badger them.
First off: a 2:2 isn't something to be ashamed of either. It is what it is. It's still a degree. It won't make a blind bit of difference after you get your first job.
Plus, if you intend to carry on doing film work, your portfolio that you built up is much more important than your degree.
Talk to your department and your tutor, try and assess what happened. You just need to sit on your hands until Monday (easier said than done, I know).
There would have been a viva if it was a boundary mark.
And not to hammer the point home too much, but a fair few graduate programmes at businesses only take 2:1 (and up) students.
Maybe a lesson to learn from this is that your snobby stereotypes don't mean shit
Anecdote: I am taking Japanese at college, just finished my first year of it. It is easily the hardest class I have ever taken. I bust my ass in there, working on it literally all day every day when I'm not busy with other classes. Despite this, I only got a B in the class both semesters. This didn't make me mad though, since I'm learning a huge amount in there, directly proportional to what I'm putting into it.
So what I'm saying is, focus more on what you've learned and less on grades. Knowing your shit will matter a whole lot more at a job than what grades you got.