So I need new clothes.
I'm starting a new job in a couple weeks up in NY, and I'm supposed to wear "business casual". Problem is, I'm not entirely sure what this is, and I don't know how or where I can update my wardrobe without making my wallet cry out in anguish.
For background, I've never been much of a clothes person - ever since middle school, I've pretty much worn cargo pants (pockets are awesome) and a t-shirt. Maybe a jacket if it's super cold. I also have one suit and a correspondingly nice button-down shirt, with a pair of dress pants. And a tie. That's pretty much it. I don't really go shopping either - I renew my supply of pants on the cheap every couple of years, when I visit Asia, and my t-shirts come from random organizations from college that happen to be giving away / selling them.
But now that I've graduated and am going to start working, I kinda need to update my wardrobe and get some business casual stuff. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly sure what constitutes business casual, or where I should go about getting it. Any thoughts / suggestions?
For bonus points, I kinda want to update my casual wardrobe too. A t-shirt and unremarkable pants do not impress the ladies. Unfortunately, I'm somewhat out of touch with popular culture, so I'm not entirely sure what is acceptable.
I should probably confirm that I am a guy, in my early twenties.
tl;dr: I need to know what kind of clothing to get for "business casual", and where to get it. Bonus points for not making my wallet suffer too much. More bonus points for suggesting casual street clothes to impress the ladies more than a t-shirt and cargo pants.
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Polos are generally acceptable.
If you’re thin go shopping during the day on Weds-Friday. Because most Americans are fat retailers stock mostly fat sizes, especially when it comes to mens clothes, so they run out fast on weekends and choices get limited. Restocking can take a few days, so Monday and Tuesday usually suck, too. And remember, if you go to a department store during a big sale and take out a store credit card you can get steep discounts (just make sure to pay if off ASAP, store card interest rates are vile).
This site seems pretty good at outlining it
http://www.career.vt.edu/JOBSEARC/BusCasual.htm
Generally good advice, gotta respectfully disagree with him on the khakis as they're a staple of BC, but to each their own. Personally, I don't like tan, so when I was business casual (I'm suit now, unfortunately) I was usually wearing black flat-front cotton pants. They were great.
As far as shirts with top buttons, I don't see why that's a dealbreaker, you just don't button them. Some shirts aren't meant to be worn without ties, those types you'll need to avoid, but generally versatile shirts that can be worn with or without ties are what you want (and those include top buttons)
And don't you dare shop at H&M for business casual stuff. Their quality is awful. Absolutely atrocious. You'll regret it right away. Gap/Banana Republic should be your first stop.
My two cents;
I love the look of Banana Republic, but I can't wear their clothing. Why? I'm fat. Not grotesquely so, but I'm definitely heavy. Nothing I've ever tried on there has ever fit me properly. YMMV, of course - but if you're not slim I wouldn't spend much time there. Like I said I do like their clothing though.
I would expand on the "good shoes" - the first thing I look at when meet someone is their shoes. Yes, I'm a bit weird. But cheap shoes are a giveaway for a chump. Good shoes, even with fairly casual dress, almost always impresses. Especially the ladies.
...not that I'm a fashion expert. Lucky for me I work in a lab so I wear shit clothing because once a month an outfit will get ruined by a chemical spill.
One thing that will make you look much nicer is getting things tailored to your body.
Overkill
Also, if you went in for an interview to the company, do you remember what everyone else was wearing? Those are usually pretty good guidelines to follow. But so far the advice I've seen in here is pretty solid. A couple pairs of wool slacks, collared shirts that work with the pants and I would actually get a tie or two just in case you want to look a little snazzier. If you're still unsure, check out the online shops and see what the models in the business clothing section are wearing. Gap, Nordstrom, Macy's, etc. Or if you have the time, visit a nice location for one of your retailers and find a sales associate.
From my own experience, they tend to be quite helpful, just explain that you're looking to update your wardrobe and that you could use a little bit of help looking professional. If you care about the cost, try and go during a sale (you can find out when these are by looking online, oh, and it's July 4th super soon).
They don't stain, they don't wrinkle, you machine wash them, and get them in black/khaki/navy and they look just fine in a "biz cas" setting.
Wal mart sells them for $17.
Look in Sunday papers for coupons
My dad never pays more than 20 bucks for a shirt, usually less
EDIT: I mean, I love Gap, and BR and Express, but if you don't want to spend lots of money, just do what I said w.r.t. Macy's or other department stores
I wear a tie and nice slacks (occasionally a suit) from Labor Day to mid-june and then BC from mid-june to Labor Day, so I'm able to just wear my regular pants all summer because I have them. If you're looking for BC acceptable pants that don't need to be dry cleaned, or are not khakis, find a golf store and buy some there. Ashworths are very comfortable.
And for shirts...button downs, no tie, polos, you don't have to tuck in your shirt if you don't want to...but on your first day its always good to be safe. Then go from there.
I was told it was business casual here at my office and then I learned first day that jeans are ok and so are hoodies! So first day...be safe with button down, tucked in, dark pants...next day go with what you learned from everyone in the office.
Oh, something I forgot. I went from a job where I walked around a lot to a job where I sit at a desk. Coupled with the fact that the stresses of a new job ended up reducing the frequency of my gym visits the clothes I bought have gotten a little tight. I'm working on it now, but you may want to go an inch or so up if the clothes still look good.
Your best bet is chinos and a collared, button-up shirt. Polo shirts, may, or may not be ok. Same goes for khaki-colored pants. First day I would go with slate pants and a striped shirt--pretty much right in the middle between formal and casual.
J. Crew and Banana Republic are both good places for business casual type clothes, Banana Republic is more on the dressy side though. Even if those stores are out of your price range, you can go there to get a feel for what type of clothes you should be getting, then head over to Macy's or something and pick up the less expensive version.
If your idea of BC is more formal, get inexpensive dress shirts at the department store (e.g. Dillard's and Foley's), Van Huesen looks fine and is cheap. Expensive dress shirts don't look much different than cheap ones, they'll be 100% egyptian cotton or whatever and will wrinkle like hell. Higher poly-blends will stand up to wear during the day better but may chafe (wear a white/light close-fitting cotton undershirt, prevents chafing and sweats rings at armpits). If they fit like a tent then opt for the "fitted" variety. Buy nice pants (goto Nordstrom's or a boutique), a $150 pair of pants looks much better than a $30 pair, especially if it's been altered to fit you properly (e.g. brought in or let out at waist, take fabric out of the seat, cuffed or flat hems). With care and wardrobe rotation, you can get 5-7 wearings out of a pair of slacks before they really need to be dry cleaned.
If you're not sure what to wear, buy a pair or 2 of dark-colored (brown, black, slate, navy) Dockers and a few inexpensive, long-sleeved, button down (but w/out button-down points), white/off-white dressshirts. Wear tucked w/belt, no tie, and shoes, not sneakers. Observe what everyone else is wearing and change accordingly.
H&M is better for business caz if you're a girl and thus can't get away with wearing the same four shirts all the time. I loves me that store, but unless you know your fabrics and construction, it's easy to go wrong there. A dude is better off buying things that are a little more expensive but will last out the year. They can be good for things like socks though.
Speaking of which, if you take care to keep your socks and belt and shoes in the same color palate, you will be much better off. If you wear a brown belt with black shoes and white or navy socks, you will look sloppy and/or colorblind. If you are colorblind, better to put away your pride and ask someone if something matches.