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Website creation, fill my brain for I know not!
Shade
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So I know almost nothing about website creation. So I'm going to change this thread into a general knowledge/tips and tricks and maybe eventually turn it into "How to make a website". I will update the OP as it goes.
So my first questions are:
1.How do I make a home page and what tools are good for website creation?
2.who do you recommend as a good web host? (recommended so far: Godaddy.com, netrillium.com)
So my first questions are:
1.How do I make a home page and what tools are good for website creation?
2.who do you recommend as a good web host? (recommended so far: Godaddy.com, netrillium.com)
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If you're looking for really cheap hosting, you can check out ebay. They have a section for it, and I used it once and got a really good deal $10 for an entire year of hosting with unlimited space and unlimited bandwidth. I then paid another $8 or $9 to godaddy for a domain name and was all set up.
What are you looking to host on this web host? (I only ask out of interest and the possibility that there may be a specialty site that offers free hosting for certain types of websites.)
I should also mention that I know little to nothing on how to set up a website.
Bassically, what I'm trying to say is, if you can afford it go for a more reliable host. If you're really looking to cheap out ebay can be hit or miss, but it was successful for me.
That shared plan actually looks really good. I'd say go for that if you can find $36 a month. Probably need to buy a domain name too with that one, but it looks like a really good deal to me.
As for how to design a webpage... If you dont know any HTML or any other scripting language, it's kinda tough to say. Geocities had a good one, I remember, but you couldn't take the site to another host, I dont think. Maybe Lail knows if netrillium has a WYSIWYG editor?
Dreamweaver is great, but it requires scripting knowledge from what I understand. (I've used it before, but alot of website design tools all seem the same to me so I dunno) Microsoft Frontpage I believe was fairly decent for putting together something simple.
I can't remember off the top of my head if this offers a WYSIWYG editor (at work right now so I'll check later). Even if, I wouldn't recommend using one. Learn some HTML (it's pretty easy to get the basics) or get a copy of MS Frontpage or Dreamweaver.
I've can read script, I'm just new to html (I used to write in VB.net, not sure how much help that will be though)
Javascript and CSS isn't that hard to learn, just study some source code snippets to learn simple stuff and then a good book for the advanced stuff.
No one should ever use MS Frontpage, it's shit.
Granted, it will basically build your entire site for you, but if you want to not have some Adobe software hack together your page then Visual Web Developer Express by Microsoft is a fairly feature-rich HTML editor. It doesn't have script snippets or pre-built layouts like Dreamweaver, but it has plenty of code assist features and it's very easy to test your site since it has a local web server built right into it.
The only significant difference between VWDE and Microsoft Expressions Web is that Expressions will write CSS for you, whereas the former will expect you to write it out manually. Other than that, the interface and features are fairly similar as far as HTML editing is concerned.
If you really don't need any crutches then I would recommend Aptana, which is an Eclipse plug-in and is the best HTML editor I have ever used. Be warned, it's for hand coders so there are a few amenities of common editors that have been left out (ex: Ctrl-B does not wrap something in a <strong> tag). But the code assist is incredible, complete with CSS property descriptions and browser support information, and easily the most intuitive and fastest code completion I've ever encountered.
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Blogger+Flikr
job done
I actually use Crimson Editor. You could google HTML Tutorials and that would be a good start. Nothing like making it yourself
Course you may want a different course.
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Just do what Zilla said. If you're new there's no valid reason to shell out for a web host and all that, there's plenty of hosted/free solutions like google pages and blogger that will let you get your feet sufficiently wet before you start investing money.
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I had been using linux as my OS instead of windows (ubuntu is a distro or packaging of linux). Apache is a web-hosting program that designated a folder on my computer as the website, which meant it would refer http requests to my computer to .html files in that folder. Quanta was a program I used to make the .html files, it was somewhere between notepad and dreamweaver in terms of complexity (html knowledge is almost necessary, but definitely helpful). I got dyndns to refer requests to a web address to my dynamic IP for free.
I didn't buy hosting but had my computer act as a web host for free for a couple pages I made.
The blogger/flickr route definitely makes more sense unless you're trying to educate yourself more than actually make a website. What I'm suggesting takes forever to set up.
This.
You're a lot of learning away from setting up your own site. If you just want a place to post thoughts/pics, the above sites are definitely what you want.
If you do want to set up your own site sometime, learn the following in order:
HTML
CSS
PHP/Javascript (PHP if you want to learn how to do database and dynamic stuff, Javacript for fancy things like small applications and animated menus, etc).
You can also go the Flash/Flex route.
You can use these languages within any textediting program (textmate is good if you're on a mac). Basic HTML is easy and getting a grasp of CSS isn't too hard from there, but afterwards it's all a very steep learning curve. I'd start at www.w3schools.com for some nice tutorials.
Oh, and if you want your own hosting, Dreamhost is good for small sites.
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Also thankyou for reminding me of Aptana, I've been meaning to re-install that.
http://www.htmldog.com
is the place to go
W3Schools is nice but it's really just a reference. HTMLDog will teach you stuff.
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Small fix there. Nobody should be learning HTML in this day and age, unless you're some sort of web technology historian.
Shade - I'm surprised google pages claims copyright on your content, but assuming that's correct, I'd imagine that a hosted Wordpress or Blogger account wouldn't. They may require copyright permissions upfront in order to legally host your content, but anything you create will still be your legal property.
Blogger or Wordpress is probably a good place to start as you can go in and mess around with the templates, which can be an easy way to start fiddling with CSS and XHTML.
If you've ever used any other type of programming or scripting languages before, XHTML/CSS is going to be a walk in the park. XHTML is a really basic mark-up language (It's actually a version of XML specifically designed for web browsers - on a basic level it's just a text file with tags wrapped around different bits of text to tell the browser if it's a heading or a paragraph etc.). CSS is essentially another file that just tells the web browser how you'd like all that content to look - put the picture at this location, make that box this big, make the background this colour, set this text using this font etc.
Really semantic, really high-level scripting language (In fact, I don't think you could get much higher level without a computer that can intelligently interpret complex spoken commands on the go ala Star Trek). The real difficulty is learning how to be a competent designer.