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Florida buys out U.S. Sugar industry

ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
edited July 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Okay, so maybe not quite that extreme, but Charlie Crist, the governor of Florida, has negotiated a deal to buy 300 square miles of land currently owned by the sugar industry, and put it towards watershed conservation. I don't know why this hasn't gotten a lot of media, because it's pretty huge. This is a large portion of the sugary industry in the U.S., and in the long run, may reduce a lot of the punitive/awful tariffs we have on foreign sugar, since there will be less incentive to protect the U.S. sugar industry. It also means that the Everglades gets protected, which is important for a variety of reasons (wildlife conservation, global warming, erosion prevention, flood prevention, etc.).

So, I'm giving props to a Republican governor on this one, something you won't see very often. He went and did this in spite of the fact that the Bush administration, which was supposed to go 50/50 on the deal, bailed out (yes, the Bush administration decided that the environment can go fuck itself; I know I'm surprised).

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    :^:

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Oh, we'll keep the tarriffs.

    HFCS is just as good, you know.

    :?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Fuck yeah!?

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I remembered reading about this about a month ago. I'm glad they're finally going to do some work, but there's plenty of other companies that are still ruining the area.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!

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  • ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    alternatively, this could drive up the price of sugar even further, increasing the use of HFCS in what places it hasn't already reached.

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.
    Yeah, the corn lobby will let that happen.

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  • AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    That's stretching the definition of "possibility", though.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Awesome.

    I eagerly await the death of the sugar tariff

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yay! Brazilian sugar is both cheaper and awesomer, I can't wait!

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Didn't we buy out Florida Progress Energy too? They pushed FUCKING hard to stop the bill to begin funding the buyout, but Florida won in the end.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Adrien wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    That's stretching the definition of "possibility", though.

    Meh, the only reason we had those tariffs was because of Cuba. I think changes are coming soon enough. Give it some years.
    It's going to take more than this to kill the sugar tariff. Namely the cutting of corn subsidies across the board, which we all know isn't going to happen.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Adrien wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    That's stretching the definition of "possibility", though.

    Meh, the only reason we had those tariffs was because of Cuba. I think changes are coming soon enough. Give it some years.
    It's going to take more than this to kill the sugar tariff. Namely the cutting of corn subsidies across the board, which we all know needs to happen.

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  • dlinfinitidlinfiniti Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    :whistle:pour some sugar on me....:whistle:

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    It doesn't matter if it needs to happen. If you think the entire state of Iowa is going to give up its only major source of lobbying power, you're straight up delusional.

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  • NickTheNewbieNickTheNewbie Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    When can we get rid of high fructose corn syrup and get back to cane sugar?

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    When Iowa is swallowed by a black hole.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    When can we get rid of high fructose corn syrup and get back to cane sugar?

    When the corn lobby fails.

    Read: never.

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    When Iowa is swallowed by a black hole.

    I can't believe I actually checked the USGS for the likelihood of that happening.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Tarif's are stupid and I'm amazed we still have them in this day and age.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Pata wrote: »
    Tarif's are stupid and I'm amazed we still have them in this day and age.

    You must be easily amazed. I imagine you walking out of your house every morning, all, "Whoa, lawn!" and "Holy shit, gravity still works!"

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Sugar tariff ain't going anywhere, and the corn lobby will make sure we use HFCS in every goddamned product on the market. I mean, yay Florida, but this won't change much in the corn-sugar wars.

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  • PataPata Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Tarif's are stupid and I'm amazed we still have them in this day and age.

    You must be easily amazed. I imagine you walking out of your house every morning, all, "Whoa, lawn!" and "Holy shit, gravity still works!"

    I want to be mad at the insult but it's a funny post so I just laugh.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited July 2008
    Pata wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Tarif's are stupid and I'm amazed we still have them in this day and age.

    You must be easily amazed. I imagine you walking out of your house every morning, all, "Whoa, lawn!" and "Holy shit, gravity still works!"

    I want to be mad at the insult but it's a funny post so I just laugh.

    I insult because I care.

    But seriously, tariffs are rooted in rah-rah nationalism mixed with they're-gonna-getchoo protectionism, and that shit never goes out of style.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    Than, that will never happen as long as the Miami Cuban-American community remains a key voting bloc.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Well, props for a step in the right direction at least?

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  • ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    Than, that will never happen as long as the Miami Cuban-American community remains a key voting bloc.

    It won't after this generation.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Give them a year or two and they'll start drilling for oil there.

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  • GoodOmensGoodOmens Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So, wait a second here....a Florida Republican made a financially and environmentally responsible decision going against the will of the leader of his party?

    Countdown to highly publicized money laundering allegation...10...9...8...

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  • WulfWulf Disciple of Tzeentch The Void... (New Jersey)Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    I would punt kittens for stuff to be made with Sugar again.

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  • ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Pata wrote: »
    Tarif's are stupid and I'm amazed we still have them in this day and age.

    You must be easily amazed. I imagine you walking out of your house every morning, all, "Whoa, lawn!" and "Holy shit, gravity still works!"

    I want to be mad at the insult but it's a funny post so I just laugh.

    I insult because I care.

    But seriously, tariffs are rooted in rah-rah nationalism mixed with they're-gonna-getchoo protectionism, and that shit never goes out of style.

    While nobody does this, it can also be a way to make sure that companies don't outsource to dodge trade standards. For example, Columbia is the place to go if you don't want your workers to have a choice about working for you, so we should use tariffs to equal out the benefits of moving to Columbia.

    Also, why are we talking about HFCS when the real stupidity is corn ethanol?

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Wulf wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    I would punt kittens for stuff to be made with Sugar again.

    I was once told real sugar is better for you then HFCS anyways, so that would be a plus. Does anyone know if thats true or not though?

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    Ease up the import tariffs on sugar?

    That will never happen.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    Wulf wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    More reliance on corn! Hooray!
    Yeah, that's a possible outcome. The other possibility is that we finally let up on the sugar trade, which would allow us to import much, much cheaper sugar from places like Brazil, which would actually end with less reliance on corn, since sugar--minus all the government-imposed costs--is much cheaper than HFCS.

    I would punt kittens for stuff to be made with Sugar again.

    I was once told real sugar is better for you then HFCS anyways, so that would be a plus. Does anyone know if thats true or not though?

    It's marginally better for you, I suppose. I mean, it's still sugar.

    I find the fact that it tastes far better somewhat more important.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The tasting better is always a plus, but I was told HFCS is harder for our bodies to digest properly or some random thing like that.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    DeShadowC wrote: »
    The tasting better is always a plus, but I was told HFCS is harder for our bodies to digest properly or some random thing like that.

    It bypasses your body's sugar regulation mechanism, so you don't feel as full as you should feel, which leads to eating more.

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  • SeptusSeptus Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    In somewhat related news, I hear that fake sugar, great though it might be for having nearly 0 calories, might stimulate a response in our bodies(since it tastes sweet) to start storing fat. So if you have a lot of sweetend ice tea with a dinner, your body goes "hey, sweetness, time to start the fattening" and then stores more of the food you're eating as fat than it would if you didn't use the sweetener.

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  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Septus wrote: »
    In somewhat related news, I hear that fake sugar, great though it might be for having nearly 0 calories, might stimulate a response in our bodies(since it tastes sweet) to start storing fat. So if you have a lot of sweetend ice tea with a dinner, your body goes "hey, sweetness, time to start the fattening" and then stores more of the food you're eating as fat than it would if you didn't use the sweetener.

    That doesn't make sense. Insulin release is triggered by an increase in blood sugar. Sweeteners do not increase blood sugar.

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  • DeShadowCDeShadowC Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I've pretty much cut HFCS out of my diet completely, with soda and making my own meals. How big of an impact could consumers expect on sugar having a major company like this losing a large portion of their land.

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