new tv + hdmi xbox 360 = terable looking GTA4

Conroy Bumpas

Help

I got a new tv sony kdl-32w4000

I have an xbox 360 with hdmi port and a ps3


All games look great apart from gta4 on the 360


With vga there is a ghost image slightly to the right of the real image and its pretty pastaly and blurry.

With hdmi… its looks like a mosaic , or like super lo rez textures. The trees look paticulaly bad.



Id say the vga looks better but that’s only coz its relly blurry and hides the bad textures.


My tv is set up pretty much defult setup.. ive ran the halo3 av calibrator and didn’t have to tweek anything with the tv


Anyone got any idears….

PirateJon

Shit GTA4 disk? If everything else looks ok...

Gihgehls

That's the way GTAIV looks.

Post Blue

LCDs can produce some undesireable artifacts, especially when you're feeding it a source that doesn't match its native panel resolution, but certainly nothing so crazy as what you're describing. You don't have any of that Motionflow garbage turned on do you?

Gihgehls

He's just talking about the crazy texture filtering that gta4 does. I'm sure of it.

Conroy Bumpas

this is vga of halo. it kida shows the bluryness and slight ghost image



this one is hdmi. much sharper and brigter

but hdmi on GTA4 looks bad trees show it best on photo. but poor draw distence and cant even read the tvt on numberplates and stuff like that. the game look much better on my old 17 inch moniter

Szechuanosaurus

Have you got the Xbox set up to output at the right frequency, HDMI output etc.? I think GTAIV only does 720p max?

Although if it's doing it on HDMI as well as VGA, my bet is on a hardware fault of some sort. God knows what though?

I take it you're talking about the concentric circle thing rather than the fact that trees in GTAIV look like they were painted by a post-impressionist pointillist?


Oh, do you have great big fuck off speakers or anything else that would be generating a strong magnetic force right next to your TV? You get crap like that with CRTs if they are next to strong magnets. Shouldn't do it for an LCD though, I don't think.

Conroy Bumpas

on the box it says gta is 1080p i have tryed it in 720P looks the same.

well vga looks better and i can read numberplates etc.... but its just really blurry (see diffrence between the two halo screens)



i just dont know if i have some option set up wrong coz it looked so much better on my 19" montor



ive tryed two diffrent hdmi cables....

and the closest speeker is about a foot away. ther quite expenceive creative ones so shoulkd be shealded etc...

PirateJon

smaller display = more pixel density = sharper picture. Ever full-screen a youtube video? CRTs also own the LCD in color, contrast, and black levels.

This your first LCD?

Conroy Bumpas

yeah its my first lcd.


but all games look better apart from gta4

desperaterobots

Hmmm. Gta4 does have a peculiar visual style. It's sort of grainy and mottled.... But the difference between halo screens means something must be going down.

I'm stumped. I take it component isn't a possibility?

Szechuanosaurus

Unless I'm wrong, it looks like the Halo shot has the same problem, it's just that the concentric circles are in a much higher resolution so are closer together.

Maybe there's interference on the cable itself, perhaps it's running past something that is bugging the signal? Or something wrong with the graphics card in the box itself.

Wait...is the 'vga' image actually being displayed on the same TV as the HDMI images?

Gihgehls

Concentric circles? You guys are being sorta retarded at this point. The circles you are talking about is the moire effect resulting from taking a picture of a screen (a grid of light) using a digital camera (a grid of light sensors.)

GTA looks "bad" on his TV because that is the way the developers shipped it. It has nothing to do with his TV or the cables. The visual quality of GTA4 has been discussed at length on the beyond3d forums. The thread is here and I invite you to check it out.

EDIT: Desperaterobots has it right.

Szechuanosaurus

Shit, I know what moiré is. It can be caused by other things as well, though and that is the only discernible glitch in the images.

If he really is just talking about GTAIV looking the way it always fucking looks...oh Jesus almighty.

Scrublet

PirateJon wrote: »

smaller display = more pixel density = sharper picture. Ever full-screen a youtube video? CRTs also own the LCD in color, contrast, and black levels.

This your first LCD?

This is not an absolute judgement I would be comfortable in making. I am NOT going to approach this from the perspective of webcomic/3-D graphics modeling, because I have no experience in this area. But there is great variation in this market. There are GREAT LCDs that will beat the shit out of most if not all CRT monitors. There are great CRT monitors that still continue to justify their existence. There are shitty monitors from both camps that embarass themselves.

The general feeling I've seen in my industry (software engineering) as well as commercially is that for "most" people the Apple LCDs will beat out just about any reasonable CRT or LCD on the market. In some ways it's an argument similar to old record players...some people will swear those old players sound better. But outside of the audiophiles, most people won't tell the difference.

Conroy Bumpas

if you look at the halo shots the one on vga , has a ghost image up and to the right. look at the 32 on teh gun. where as on hdmi its crisp.

vga on monitor


hdmi on tv




if you look at the fence across the road on the vga is smooth, on hdmi its like a jumble of pixels. the whole game is like this . buildings and stuff.

the vga pic is slightly out of focus . because i was trying to consontrate on the fence as that shows it most.

TM2 Rampage

About the VGA ghosting: Are you using a 3rd party VGA cable that is not the official Xbox 360 VGA cable? I have read via googling and seen some pics, and according to those, 3rd party VGA cables for the 360 produce ghost images, whereas the official one does not.

I got a used official VGA cable off of ebay for real cheap, and I tried it on my 1080p capable LCD computer monitor. There are no ghost images.

Szechuanosaurus

Have you tried it at 720p? I got a new TV shortly after getting GTAIV and faffed around with the settings a bit and found it looked best with the Xbox and TV set to 720p. I'm sure I read somewhere that GTAIV only does 720p max anyway, although others in the thread have contradicted that.

Conroy Bumpas

there seems to be no diffrence between the look of 720p and 1080p

on the box it says the game is 1080p

Daedalus

Conroy Bumpas wrote: »

there seems to be no diffrence between the look of 720p and 1080p

on the box it says the game is 1080p

the 360 will take the 720p image and upscale it to 1080p.

Durandal Infinity

thats really how GTA looks when you remove all of that analog noise

Szechuanosaurus

Here's how it looks on my 32" Sony Viao at 720p for comparison.

Quid

Yeah. I have a tiny 19" LCD using an HDMI cable. It's supposed to look grainy. It was an art decision.

Post Blue

Conroy Bumpas wrote: »

there seems to be no diffrence between the look of 720p and 1080p

on the box it says the game is 1080p

Whatever they put on the box doesn't have anything to do with the resolution of the actual source content -- it's merely a supported output resolution, and has more to do with how a game makes friends with your television than it does with the actual game. GTA IV is natively encoded at 1280x720 for the 360, and any deviation from that resolution can only be achieved through dilution and bloating. When you set your 360 to output at 1080p, your console is doing the scaling; when you set it to output at 720p, your display is doing the scaling. Some TVs scale content better than others, but it's not unusual for the two output settings to appear indiscernible from one another when handling 720p content.