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Toast's lack of art-time; update March 16th NSFW/NSF56k

no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
edited March 2009 in Artist's Corner
Oh, I haven't made a thread in a while.

I'm making a skateboard desing for a contest that's part of an exhibition Finland's modern art museum Kiasma.

I have about a week to do this so it would be great to have your input on my progress.

This is my initial sketch to start out with:

skeitti_wip1a.png

I'll update again tomorrow :3

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  • desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Is this your only concept?

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  • NeoRedXIIINeoRedXIII Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    How's this going on the board? It doesn't even look close to being dimensioned in a proper way.

    Edit: What's the goal, subject, rules for this contest?

    Edit2: NEEDMOARINFO

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  • desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I like the style in all its weirdly proportioned glory. But this is just a cool doodle for me. Not a competition winning skateboard design?

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    NeoRedXIII wrote: »
    How's this going on the board? It doesn't even look close to being dimensioned in a proper way.

    Edit: What's the goal, subject, rules for this contest?

    Edit2: NEEDMOARINFO

    Some info (I'm at work so can't update artz yet)

    So I wanted to start this thread early enough to get good feedback before it's too late.

    The winning designs (10) in this contest will be placed in the museum of modern arts in a exhibition called URB'08 showcasing urban culture in Finland. The subject for the contest is free. Limitations is that you can participate with maximum of three works (I'm doing just one because of time shortage).

    The sketch I made is very initial, I'll add more things to it and fit it in a board shaped template so you'll get a better idea what I'm after.

    now work >.<

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So here's something the like I've been thinking. I'm worried about how it will look from further away if I get into too much detail.

    The design is about the part of the city where I grew up, it really wasn't anything like a ghetto so I thought I'd put there some text that compares this district to a famous street culture place. Any suggestions what would be THE urban culture cradle I should use in that text?

    skeitti_wip2a.png

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I like your design, but I dislike the whole "woo, it's not ghetto at all, but I'm going to refer to a place that was a ghetto decades ago". Can't you just keep it at "Downtown Ogeli" or something to that effect?

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  • KochikensKochikens Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yeah, i'd worry about how it looks from further away. Already the girlie is looking sorta small, and when I look at skateboards I sort of like for it to work with the board rather than be an oddly shaped drawing. Something that can look ok or atleast sort of good from more than one angle, and that looks cool from far away. I really like the clouds, though.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Aldo wrote: »
    I like your design, but I dislike the whole "woo, it's not ghetto at all, but I'm going to refer to a place that was a ghetto decades ago". Can't you just keep it at "Downtown Ogeli" or something to that effect?

    That ghetto slogan was indeed ment to be ironic :D

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  • RavenshadowRavenshadow Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    on a real skateboard the girl is going to be almost completely covered by the back truck.

    You might wanna move her up a bit. In fact your logo at the top is going to have the same problem with the top truck. You should probably move things more toward the center.

    Don't forget about the wheel placement.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    no_toast wrote: »
    Aldo wrote: »
    I like your design, but I dislike the whole "woo, it's not ghetto at all, but I'm going to refer to a place that was a ghetto decades ago". Can't you just keep it at "Downtown Ogeli" or something to that effect?

    That ghetto slogan was indeed ment to be ironic :D

    Oh, that was completely lost to me. Probably doesn't help that I've never heard of your town before. I guess that people who lived there will understand the joke.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    on a real skateboard the girl is going to be almost completely covered by the back truck.

    You might wanna move her up a bit. In fact your logo at the top is going to have the same problem with the top truck. You should probably move things more toward the center.

    Don't forget about the wheel placement.

    Thanks Raven, I completely forgot that *bangs head to wall*

    Edit:

    And I'm counting on that atleast the judge will get the joke because he's from around here. It would be a miracle if someone in here AC would have heard of my home district :D

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I'm back. I couldn't draw much on the weekend due to a certain rock festival but I sketched another design proposal for this contest there. I'll probably ink that tomorrow depending on how much time I get to work on this again.

    The update this time is something not as big as I hoped myself. Atleast the problem with the truck placement has been solved in this. I also laid down some basic color I figured to use. A lot of details still unclear. Background will contain some buildings that people might recognize if they live in my city.

    skeitti_wip3.png

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  • desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Looking nice and graphic. A cartoon babe though? Bleh. :P

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Looking nice and graphic. A cartoon babe though? Bleh. :P

    But I added the cat for cuteness points!

    One day to go and almost final chance to get some input for this. Should I keep the character simple or add more light details and more color to it?

    skeitti_wip4.png

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    wow, great colouring. Maybe add a little colour to the girl's board and high heels. I would now worry about making the background recognizable as Ogeli.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So this was my second concept I did on the weekend but I'm not sure if this works on a skateboard?

    Threw some quick colors it too.

    mermaid_smooth.png

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Ok, the deadline was close and had to skip some sleep to clean things up. Thanks for all the help guys!

    kiasmaskate_final_smaller.png

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  • MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Nice, your choice of colours really pop.

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  • desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yeah colours be good. Turned out nice, despite the iffy content. :P

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  • Jake!Jake! Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    yeah, so I don't skateboard but do girls (or for that matter, boys) skate with high heels on? Because I'd imagine that would be a good way to chip your nails.

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  • KrisKris Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Jake! wrote: »
    yeah, so I don't skateboard but do girls (or for that matter, boys) skate with high heels on? Because I'd imagine that would be a good way to chip your nails.

    It would be a good way to break the fuck out of your ankles. But it looks good as a drawing. :)

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    So, it's been a while I've posted any stuff in this thread but I thought I'll revive it once more.

    For those who wonder what happened in the skateboard design competition, I didn't win but couple of some real nasty Photoshop brush random splatter type of things got through and got in the exhibition. Well next time next time...

    This time I'm doing some muchaesque stuff. The girl is mostly referenced form a photo. I'm not sure what I should do with the composition right now.

    artnouveauthing_wip1.jpg

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Updating this to current state. Still no idea what I could do with the background. What do you think about the composition? I tried to balance things up with some borders but I'm not sure if I'm satisfied yet.

    artnouveauthing_wip2.jpg

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Very Jugendstil. :^: Fingers of her left hand are kinda large, though. And the fruit hanging from the tree looks a bit unneeded.

    Really digging the style, anyway.

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  • ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Aldo wrote: »
    Very Jugendstil. :^: Fingers of her left hand are kinda large, though. And the fruit hanging from the tree looks a bit unneeded.

    Really digging the style, anyway.

    Ya I would definitely suggest tapering the lines for her fingers as they come to their ends. Using the same line weight throughout is making them look weird/flat. It also looks a bit weird how her hair gets fatter at the very end, likewise with the dress. I think the colors need a bit more pop as well, but I'm not a good "color guy" so not much help there.

    What is she reaching for? Is there something to be added in that regard? Could make her grasping onto her dress, as if trying to wrangle it in. That also leads me to the folds in her dress, which could use some work. Again, not the best there, but it's fairly easy to spot. Hell, might be worth it to hang a bedsheet from a tree and use that as a ref.

    GL though, I like where this is going.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shiboe wrote: »
    Aldo wrote: »
    Very Jugendstil. :^: Fingers of her left hand are kinda large, though. And the fruit hanging from the tree looks a bit unneeded.

    Really digging the style, anyway.

    Ya I would definitely suggest tapering the lines for her fingers as they come to their ends. Using the same line weight throughout is making them look weird/flat. It also looks a bit weird how her hair gets fatter at the very end, likewise with the dress. I think the colors need a bit more pop as well, but I'm not a good "color guy" so not much help there.

    What is she reaching for? Is there something to be added in that regard? Could make her grasping onto her dress, as if trying to wrangle it in. That also leads me to the folds in her dress, which could use some work. Again, not the best there, but it's fairly easy to spot. Hell, might be worth it to hang a bedsheet from a tree and use that as a ref.

    GL though, I like where this is going.

    Thanks for the good ideas guys!

    I made a paintover how think I see this might work better. More to come once I get to more detail.

    artnouveauthing_wip3.jpg

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  • ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Already looking better mate, happy I could help. :D

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think I'm finished with this one!

    artnouveauthing_final.jpg

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  • MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Why do I feel like her right arm is at a peculiar angle.....it's almost as though it looks rotated from the elbow than from the shoulder.....but that could just be me. Apart from that it's lovely and makes me want to have a cup of tea and a scone.

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  • desperaterobotsdesperaterobots perth, ausRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Pretty nice overall but that right hand totally kills it. Her thumb is sprouting from her wrist and all her fingers have been amputated at the knuckle D:

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  • winter_combat_knightwinter_combat_knight Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I like the Art Nouveau style of that last one. But yeah, her right arm looks a little weird. The line work in the rest of the illustration is so nice, but is let down by that hand. A quick paintover should be easy... Right?

    EDIT: Use the original angle of the hand that you drew. That looks so much better.

    This one
    artnouveauthing_wip2.jpg

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  • ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I like the Art Nouveau style of that last one. But yeah, her right arm looks a little weird. The line work in the rest of the illustration is so nice, but is let down by that hand. A quick paintover should be easy... Right?

    EDIT: Use the original angle of the hand that you drew. That looks so much better.

    This one
    artnouveauthing_wip2.jpg

    I still think the concept of the grasping of cloth is better, but the hand and effected cloth needs work to look proper. The dress just doesn't fold like a dress IMO, but maybe that was intentional? Just shush me if I'm being anti-helpful.

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  • LaliluleloLalilulelo Richmond, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    There's nothing good about who you are or what you do.
    Except your drawings, I guess...those are pretty good. On the most recent one, her hands are distracting as hell. It's breaking the piece. The left hand gets by in a pinch but the right hand just isn't workin'. The position of the arm looks awkward, maybe not anatomically but compositionally, and the way her hand is curled in, but blocky...just looks like you're not sure what to do with the hand, or aren't strong with drawing hands (and are wingin' it)....

    EDIT: Yeah, her right arm isn't even problematic the more I look at it, it's the hand- it's just killin' it.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Lalilulelo wrote: »
    There's nothing good about who you are or what you do.
    Except your drawings, I guess...those are pretty good. On the most recent one, her hands are distracting as hell. It's breaking the piece. The left hand gets by in a pinch but the right hand just isn't workin'. The position of the arm looks awkward, maybe not anatomically but compositionally, and the way her hand is curled in, but blocky...just looks like you're not sure what to do with the hand, or aren't strong with drawing hands (and are wingin' it)....

    EDIT: Yeah, her right arm isn't even problematic the more I look at it, it's the hand- it's just killin' it.

    Yeah, I've been looking at the arm and hand over and over again. It's true that hands are one of my weakest points and have always been. Maybe now could be a good chance to practice a little with that area. I'll try to take a photo of some similar grip with cloth and work with that next.

    And oh, Lali, what was that nothing good about who I am stuff about? :D Got me confused there mate!

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  • LaliluleloLalilulelo Richmond, VARegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I kid I kid. You know I love yous.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Got a commissioned illustration for the next issue of Kylteri magazine. First time for me when I get to illustrate something for magazine that is something other than basic newspaper type quality (covers 300 g/m² and pages 130 g/m²). Anyways I'm excited but I should have the work done tomorrow so I really got very little time again!

    But enough with the details, this is what I've done so far. The illustration is for an article about the financial crisis (not so surprising).

    kylteri_sketch_wip.png

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  • ShiboeShiboe Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'd first start with a much more dramatic angle to improve the emotional content. And ant looking up at the guy would be a pretty good angle IMO. But ya, needs more dynamic before you get into actually working the details I think.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    His left shoulder is huuuuuge.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    OK, not a critique on the art per say, but if this is the first thing you print for magazines, keep in mind that some (not all) magazines print at a higher LPI than other print material. If you haven't done so yet, you should look up the printing LPI and adjust your resolution accordingly.

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  • no_toastno_toast Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanks guys for your advice, I'll take everything in consideration!

    sketchdump_oct2008.png

    For now some sketches!

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