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How to stay awake during work?

starlanceriistarlancerii Registered User regular
edited July 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
So I've got a problem, I can never stay awake if I'm not being mentally engaged.

Background:
Back when I was in college, I would fall asleep in classes. A lot. a WHOLE lot. If the professor was boring, going over something I already knew, or going at too slow of a pace (especially a problem), I would last about 20 minutes before I started nodding off. Yet, I'd still get good grades. Like, straight As, better grades than many classmates who stayed awake.

But now I've graduated and am starting work. Going through orientation, which is essentially sitting down from 9am to 6pm with *occasional* 15 minute breaks, and listening to speakers for hours on end. Problem is, many of them are not very good speakers, or are covering material I already understand. And so.... I nod off. HR is not very happy with me. I don't think I am also making a very good impression.

On a side note, probably the best description I can give is that when I'm bored, I start to just blank out my mind, listening but not really listening, sensing without really comprehending, my awareness becomes much more limited, and I'm not really conscious of anything other than that I'm fighting the urge to just conk out. So for like half an hour or so (hard for me to time these things), I'm not really asleep, but not really awake - I can remember some of what the speaker was talking about, but it doesn't really click. Its like I'm oscillating somewhere between the conscious and unconscious states. Strange, huh?

So I'm trying to figure out how to stay awake. I'm definitely getting enough sleep, like 8 hours at night. Unfortunately I can't go with drinking lots of caffeine, because I react badly to it - I'm buzzing and jittery for like 30 minutes, and then my body just shuts down completely. Plus, health concerns. Small amounts of caffeine from light tea are all right, but don't really help. I'd also prefer not to use pills - I just avoid them whenever at all possible.

tl;dr: I can't stay awake through boring presentations even with enough sleep, don't react well with caffeine, and would prefer not to use pills. I have one more week of orientation and then start my actual job, and really need to figure out a way to stay awake.

Any ideas?

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  • AthlantarAthlantar Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I know when I'm really bored I start to nod off aswell. I've only really found one thing (aside from caffeine) that helps make the sleepies go away. I try to draw 3 dimensional objects, like cubes, houses, cylinders with different shapes cut out of them, etc. and then try to draw the top view of the object, side view, and front view. This technique works pretty well for me, probably because I really enjoyed my engineering drawing class, where they made us do all those sorts of things. They aren't hard, but the take some mental power to figure out.

    If you have some kind of puzzles you can go through in your mind that challenge you it can help. Hope that helps abit.

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  • wasted pixelswasted pixels Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So I've got a problem, I can never stay awake if I'm not being mentally engaged.

    Background:
    Back when I was in college, I would fall asleep in classes. A lot. a WHOLE lot. If the professor was boring, going over something I already knew, or going at too slow of a pace (especially a problem), I would last about 20 minutes before I started nodding off. Yet, I'd still get good grades. Like, straight As, better grades than many classmates who stayed awake.

    But now I've graduated and am starting work. Going through orientation, which is essentially sitting down from 9am to 6pm with *occasional* 15 minute breaks, and listening to speakers for hours on end. Problem is, many of them are not very good speakers, or are covering material I already understand. And so.... I nod off. HR is not very happy with me. I don't think I am also making a very good impression.

    On a side note, probably the best description I can give is that when I'm bored, I start to just blank out my mind, listening but not really listening, sensing without really comprehending, my awareness becomes much more limited, and I'm not really conscious of anything other than that I'm fighting the urge to just conk out. So for like half an hour or so (hard for me to time these things), I'm not really asleep, but not really awake - I can remember some of what the speaker was talking about, but it doesn't really click. Its like I'm oscillating somewhere between the conscious and unconscious states. Strange, huh?

    So I'm trying to figure out how to stay awake. I'm definitely getting enough sleep, like 8 hours at night. Unfortunately I can't go with drinking lots of caffeine, because I react badly to it - I'm buzzing and jittery for like 30 minutes, and then my body just shuts down completely. Plus, health concerns. Small amounts of caffeine from light tea are all right, but don't really help. I'd also prefer not to use pills - I just avoid them whenever at all possible.

    tl;dr: I can't stay awake through boring presentations even with enough sleep, don't react well with caffeine, and would prefer not to use pills. I have one more week of orientation and then start my actual job, and really need to figure out a way to stay awake.

    Any ideas?

    How is your overall diet?

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  • starlanceriistarlancerii Registered User regular
    edited July 2008

    How is your overall diet?

    Pretty good actually - I usually cook healthy Chinese food, but since I'm new to NY, I'm just getting Subway a lot of the time. I try not to eat too much for meals, since I find that having all my blood go to my stomach to digest it does not help me stay awake. Also very skinny, if that has any relevance.

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Two things that worked for me when going through the most boring classes ever while I was in the Army.

    1. Stand up, walk to the back of the class room, and face whoever is giving the class.

    2. Think about sex! Yes, it works.

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  • Phil G.Phil G. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    This technique is a bit more... extreme. If you have a desk or object on front of you, place a sharp pencil on it, balancing the sharp point with your chin. You nod of, sharp point stabs into your chin a little bit and you wake the fuck up fast.

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  • basinobasino Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Phil G. wrote: »
    This technique is a bit more... extreme. If you have a desk or object on front of you, place a sharp pencil on it, balancing the sharp point with your chin. You nod of, sharp point stabs into your chin a little bit and you wake the fuck up fast.

    I think the question was "how to stop sleeping" rather than "how to stop living".

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  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    You can always do that 'make this pencil disappear' trick!

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  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    you might be over/under sleeping, both can make you tired when you slow down

    I know you get 8 hours but 8 hours isn't the magic number for everyone

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Two things that worked for me when going through the most boring classes ever while I was in the Army.

    1. Stand up, walk to the back of the class room, and face whoever is giving the class.

    2. Think about sex! Yes, it works.
    Basic taught me that pain keeps you awake, but not as good as push ups. If I was nodding off I would stab myself with a pen in the arm or bite my tongue pretty hard. If that didn't work you were usually allowed to do some push ups, while getting made fun of.

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  • Phil G.Phil G. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Yep, the old pencil trick is a variant of the on duty sentry trick: Bayonet under your chin. It doesn't move up and stab your eye because it gets stuck in the skin, and you learn a valuable lesson. Push-ups or any physical activity are good too. We used to for a run around the classroom every 45-60 minutes, keep the blood flowing. Standing up was acceptable if you couldn't stay awake after that too.

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  • VmikesmittyVmikesmitty Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Raneados wrote: »
    you might be over/under sleeping, both can make you tired when you slow down

    I know you get 8 hours but 8 hours isn't the magic number for everyone

    In addition, quality not quantity.

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  • RaereRaere Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I've always had trouble staying awake, too. I basically slept through high school, and some days at my summer job before I start college are a struggle. The best solution I've had is to drink energy drinks and stuff. A Rockstar will last me most of the day. Definitely not the way to go, but it's a temporary solution.

    A silly mental thing you can do is get yourself hyped up about something. Think about something going on later in the day that you're excited for. Maybe you're going out with friends, or maybe it's as simple as a TV show or something. When a favorite show is on that night, it helps to think about it; hype myself up and think about all the cool things that it could be about judging from last week. Works for videogames, too. Think about what's in store for you next, and you'll get to check it out when you get through work/class. It can be anything, just hype yourself up about something. This works best on Fridays, though. :lol:

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  • TrowizillaTrowizilla Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Play mental games. That boring speaker? Count how many times he/she says "um" or "and" or some other common word, or pick out a verbal tic and try to predict when it'll show up. If there's an opportunity to ask questions, always get your hand up, even if you already know the answer to what you're asking. Ask for clarifications. Try to figure out what other people in the room might need explained and bring it up. Take notes. Whenever you have even a few minutes to go to the bathroom, go outside and get some daylight. Grab a bottle of water as cold as you can stand it; sipping something chilly will help keep you awake, and generally nobody will be upset at you for drinking water.

    These are just tricks, really, but whatever will get you through orientation is a good thing.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I second the cold water thing. I work graves so falling asleep is a problem.
    Now I've got a 1 liter water bottle that I fill and toss in the freezer when I get home in the morning. By the time I head off to work I've got a block of ice that'll keep cold a good 7 hours depending how often I refill the bottle from the tap.

    You may want to try chewing gum too. Also, the doodling idea works as well, plus (so long as you're not front row center) it looks like you're taking notes. HR people love seeing new hires take notes. Makes them feel important.

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  • Eat it You Nasty Pig.Eat it You Nasty Pig. tell homeland security 'we are the bomb'Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Just get up and walk around. Sit on an aisle or near the back, and when you feel yourself nodding off, hit the bathroom, head out for a smoke, or just walk to the back of the room and stand for a while.

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  • CyvrosCyvros Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    On a side note, probably the best description I can give is that when I'm bored, I start to just blank out my mind, listening but not really listening, sensing without really comprehending, my awareness becomes much more limited, and I'm not really conscious of anything other than that I'm fighting the urge to just conk out. So for like half an hour or so (hard for me to time these things), I'm not really asleep, but not really awake - I can remember some of what the speaker was talking about, but it doesn't really click. Its like I'm oscillating somewhere between the conscious and unconscious states. Strange, huh?

    I know exactly what you mean. I got this all through undergrad lectures.
    Trowizilla wrote: »
    Play mental games. That boring speaker? Count how many times he/she says "um" or "and" or some other common word, or pick out a verbal tic and try to predict when it'll show up. If there's an opportunity to ask questions, always get your hand up, even if you already know the answer to what you're asking. Ask for clarifications. Try to figure out what other people in the room might need explained and bring it up. Take notes. Whenever you have even a few minutes to go to the bathroom, go outside and get some daylight. Grab a bottle of water as cold as you can stand it; sipping something chilly will help keep you awake, and generally nobody will be upset at you for drinking water.

    These are just tricks, really, but whatever will get you through orientation is a good thing.

    I second the mental games and the drinking water. Also, with desk jobs, I'd also second the recommendations for getting up and going for walks - I generally go for a short walk twice or thrice a day.

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  • trentsteeltrentsteel Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I find posting here helps.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    There's a guy I work with who actually bought a height-adjustable work station. The surface raises and lowers so you can stand or sit while working on the computer. Standing is actually a lot better for you anyway, and apparently he really likes it.

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  • RubickRubick Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I'm guessing this may be a little extreme, but would it be possible for you to see a doctor about it, to see if there is anything they can give you to help, or diagnose mild narcolepsy or something like that? I know you don't want to use pills, but they may have better options for you. I don't know anything about that disorder, and I'm guessing it doesn't apply here at all, but that way you could have something to present to HR to show that you are attempting to address the problem.

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  • starlanceriistarlancerii Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yeah, I've been thinking about the possibility of having mild narcolepsy, but it doesn't seem possible - I fall asleep only when I'm bored, which doesn't really fit.

    I like the suggestions of ice cold water and getting up to do some exercise, I'll try that for once I start working, but I figure it should get better once I actually start working, since I'll have something to do.

    On a side note, during the orientation, we had "assigned" seating and were discouraged from doing anything other than listening (yay for HR treating everyone like elementary schoolers). Midway through, they changed the seating around, and I got moved to the most mid-front table. The entire table concluded that we were being punished - some of us had dozed off, others had been texting on their phones ("This is a reminder that all phones and blackberries are to be turned off during orientation....") or passing notes.

    If they were trying to get us to behave, it didn't work. In college, I sat at the front row in my favorite professor's class, and visibly fell asleep almost every day. Still got the highest grade in the entire class. And so I continued to fall asleep even while all the way up there. And meanwhile, the rest of the table played text twist on their notepads or continued to text. GG HR?

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    In these situations I've pinched my thigh to keep awake, stood up and walked to the back, or had something to eat during the presentation.

    And if caffeine makes you jittery I'd recommend having an apple beforehand. They're quite effective as a stimulant in the morning, particularly for people who don't generally use caffeine.

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  • Limp mooseLimp moose Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    this company sounds awful.

    During night watch to stay awake I usually take something to do to keep my mind occupied. If you aren't going to listen to the presentation anyway bring a notebook and draw, doodle, write, whatever. It will keep your mind engaged so you don't fall asleep.

    Also be a little more mentally tough. It is not that hard to remain awake. If you feel yourself nodding off excuse yourself to the bathroom, wash your face, do a jumping jack or two and then head back to class. If you can use your PDA play games on it or whatever.

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  • tony_importanttony_important Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I would print off a bunch of sudoku puzzles on 1 sheet of paper (keep them small for hiding) and make a stack of them.
    See how many you can rifle off while you're bored.

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  • Smug DucklingSmug Duckling Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Limp moose wrote: »
    this company sounds awful.

    No, this is just HR. I don't think they're much different than this in any company.

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  • ArminasArminas Student of Life SF, CARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ugh, I could use help in this too. My situation for falling asleep is similar but not exactly the same.

    I'm not a heavy caffeine user, but when I know I have some kind of important meeting or presentation to sit in on, I'll grab a small cup of coffee. I figure if I keep it to a low amount, it'll still work when I need it.

    But even when I'm at my desk, I'm sometimes just bored with the assignment I have and begin to slowly nod off. So I'm all ears for other suggestions.

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  • VmikesmittyVmikesmitty Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    If you are at work in your office and start to feel like you are going to nod off, use that time to take a short break. Get up and get something to drink, go wash your hand/face, stretch a bit, shake out the legs and then get back into things.

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  • ArminasArminas Student of Life SF, CARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The doodling of 3d shapes helped for me. :D

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