The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.

Forget Food Pills: What's this about Resveritrol?

Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
edited July 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
EDIT: Topic of thread changed in light of related, more interesting, and actually possible miracle substance.


Heart disease, diabetes, obesity... what do all these maladies have in common? The food we eat is a common cause. At the same time, many people cannot afford or otherwise do not get food that contains the nutrients human beings need for optimal health.

Food pills have been part of science fiction for decades, but will there ever be a point at which the human race will transition to their consumption? How would food pills be produced and distributed? How would the many facets of our economy, such as farmers and major food corporations, react to an attempt to transition to food pills? Would food pills be prescribed for individuals and treated much the same as medication? How would social situations adapt without banquets for events, romantic dinners for couples to eat on dates, or even popcorn at the movies?

In summary, is the production and use of food pills possible, or even practical?

Hexmage-PA on
«13

Posts

  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    If a food pill didn't taste like anything (and I imagine it wouldn't) then I know I wouldn't subsitute that as a meal. Not only do I eat food because I have to eat to live, I also just like eating. And I think that's instinctual, so we're probably never going to get rid of it.

    What I think is more likely is food that is genetically modified to be very nutritious yet incredibly delicious. Like a steak that is fat-free, but is still incredibly tender, juicy, and delicious.

    FirstComradeStalin on
    Picture1-4.png
  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Food pills are science fiction. First of all, a 'pill' would not be enough mass to satiate the hunger response. Secondly, a pill could never contain all the nebulous 'nutrients' you need to survive. Not all that biomass you eat gets turned into shit. It's not possible to make a singular 'pill' that could act as a total replacement for all food.

    Gabriel_Pitt on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Food pills are science fiction. First of all, a 'pill' would not be enough mass to satiate the hunger response. Secondly, a pill could never contain all the nebulous 'nutrients' you need to survive. Not all that biomass you eat gets turned into shit. It's not possible to make a singular 'pill' that could act as a total replacement for all food.

    Well, food pills could also contain a substance that negates hunger. Second, if not a single pill, what about a set that could be taken over the course of the day?

    Hexmage-PA on
  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    We have Vitamins, but I think that's about as far as it will go. Maybe get something for other nutritional sources?

    Fencingsax on
  • Serious_ScrubSerious_Scrub Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Negating hunger and actually getting enough calories to live are two totally different things
    Usually the standard is that fat is 9 calories per gram, protein and carbohydrates 4 calories per gram. This would make the smallest possible 1500 calorie pill 167 grams. You need a lot of pills to reach 167 grams worth of fat, and there's also the health hazards associated with just consuming fat for nourishment. It could be possible if we found an even more calorie-dense substance that we could digest, but since the human body evolved to be able to digest things found in nature, it's going to be a bit difficult to find such a thing
    Plus, people tend to eat food for enjoyment these days

    Serious_Scrub on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Damn, this is actually kinda disappointing...

    Well, since it's already been made abundantly clear that food pills are unlikely to be developed, does anyone want to engage in some speculative fiction regarding the transition to food pills if they were somehow made into a viable alternative to actual food?

    Hexmage-PA on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited July 2008
    I'd totally buy those food pills in The Fifth Element.

    Echo on
  • TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Don't you know the consequences of something like this?!? D:
    BlueberryViolet.jpg

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    Tav on
  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Tav wrote: »
    Don't you know the consequences of something like this?!? D:
    BlueberryViolet.jpg

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    That would be terrible!

    Forget food pills, I want floating cities and rocket packs

    Kalkino on
    Freedom for the Northern Isles!
  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    If I could subsist on nothing but a few tasty milkshake-like items a day, I'd totally do it. I'm not sure what this would do for my dental health...

    Bama on
  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Don't astronauts already use food pills on space flights?

    ege02 on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Tav wrote: »

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    For taste, I was thinking something along the lines of packs of thin, flavored sheets that you place on your tongue and let dissolve. That way, people could experience pleasant flavors whenever they want without overeating.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ege02 wrote: »
    Don't astronauts already use food pills on space flights?

    They use dehydrated food, I'm pretty sure.

    UPDATE: Yep, although I'm not sure you'd want to eat it...

    137193main_Food_Tray_med.jpg

    Hexmage-PA on
  • Kaboodles_The_AssassinKaboodles_The_Assassin Kill the meat. Save the metal.Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    For taste, I was thinking something along the lines of packs of thin, flavored sheets that you place on your tongue and let dissolve. That way, people could experience pleasant flavors whenever they want without overeating.

    Textures and temperatures are important for food, too. How would a dissolving flavor sheet simulate crunchiness?

    Kaboodles_The_Assassin on
    sXXjb1B.png
  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Food Pills are what the martians ate in Santa Claus Conquers the Martians

    Balefuego on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    For taste, I was thinking something along the lines of packs of thin, flavored sheets that you place on your tongue and let dissolve. That way, people could experience pleasant flavors whenever they want without overeating.

    Textures and temperatures are important for food, too. How would a dissolving flavor sheet simulate crunchiness?

    Well...people who've never eaten real food probably wouldn't care about those things, or even flavor that matter. Flavor sheets would probably be used mainly by those who were born before the transition to food pills.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    For taste, I was thinking something along the lines of packs of thin, flavored sheets that you place on your tongue and let dissolve. That way, people could experience pleasant flavors whenever they want without overeating.

    Textures and temperatures are important for food, too. How would a dissolving flavor sheet simulate crunchiness?

    Well...people who've never eaten real food probably wouldn't care about those things, or even flavor that matter. Flavor sheets would probably be used mainly by those who were born before the transition to food pills.
    Except flavor sheets wouldn't be used by them because those people still like eating. You can't get rid of culture with a pill.

    Quid on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    For taste, I was thinking something along the lines of packs of thin, flavored sheets that you place on your tongue and let dissolve. That way, people could experience pleasant flavors whenever they want without overeating.

    Textures and temperatures are important for food, too. How would a dissolving flavor sheet simulate crunchiness?

    Well...people who've never eaten real food probably wouldn't care about those things, or even flavor that matter. Flavor sheets would probably be used mainly by those who were born before the transition to food pills.
    Except flavor sheets wouldn't be used by them because those people still like eating. You can't get rid of culture with a pill.

    Well, they'd just have to get used to it, then. Just because culture's always been around doesn't mean it deserves to stay forever.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I think the world should bend to my will and everyone should live in my vision of the perfect utopia as well. What's your point?

    Quid on
  • StarcrossStarcross Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Tav wrote: »

    Seriously though, unless the pill is delicious then there's no way I'm giving up food.

    For taste, I was thinking something along the lines of packs of thin, flavored sheets that you place on your tongue and let dissolve. That way, people could experience pleasant flavors whenever they want without overeating.

    Textures and temperatures are important for food, too. How would a dissolving flavor sheet simulate crunchiness?

    Well...people who've never eaten real food probably wouldn't care about those things, or even flavor that matter. Flavor sheets would probably be used mainly by those who were born before the transition to food pills.
    Except flavor sheets wouldn't be used by them because those people still like eating. You can't get rid of culture with a pill.

    Well, they'd just have to get used to it, then. Just because culture's always been around doesn't mean it deserves to stay forever.

    Wait, why do we want to get rid of food again?

    Starcross on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    I think the world should bend to my will and everyone should live in my vision of the perfect utopia as well. What's your point?

    I'm just trying to envision a world where food pills are the norm. You have a great point at why they would never become prominent, though.
    Starcross wrote: »

    Wait, why do we want to get rid of food again?

    One, this is just speculation. Two, because food pills are a staple of sci-fi. Three, for an in-world explanation, because any government that would favor food pills would likely be against the majority of substances that can possibly be abused or cause harm to individuals, such as unhealthy foods.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • ege02ege02 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Who says you can't make a pill out of a tomato that has salmonella?

    ege02 on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    I think the world should bend to my will and everyone should live in my vision of the perfect utopia as well. What's your point?

    I'm just trying to envision a world where food pills are the norm. You have a great point at why they would never become prominent, though.
    People would use food pills and not real food. What do you want? For us to imagine every situation involving food not existing? Dinners, banquets, ice cream trucks wouldn't be altered, they'd cease to exist.

    Quid on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    I think the world should bend to my will and everyone should live in my vision of the perfect utopia as well. What's your point?

    I'm just trying to envision a world where food pills are the norm. You have a great point at why they would never become prominent, though.
    People would use food pills and not real food. What do you want? For us to imagine every situation involving food not existing? Dinners, banquets, ice cream trucks wouldn't be altered, they'd cease to exist.

    How would society adapt for those things, though? For example, the production and distribution of food is a huge industry that provides many, many jobs. What would fill the void?

    Hexmage-PA on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The production and distribution of food pills because, ironically, they take up the same amount of land and labor as real food.

    Quid on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    The production and distribution of food pills because, ironically, they take up the same amount of land and labor as real food.

    What, really? With food pills there would be no fast food restaurants, concession stands, vending machines, anything. Maybe I'm not thinking this through enough, but I wouldn't think that the production and distribution of food pills would offer quite as many job opportunities as the current industry.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Quid wrote: »
    I think the world should bend to my will and everyone should live in my vision of the perfect utopia as well. What's your point?

    I'm just trying to envision a world where food pills are the norm. You have a great point at why they would never become prominent, though.
    People would use food pills and not real food. What do you want? For us to imagine every situation involving food not existing? Dinners, banquets, ice cream trucks wouldn't be altered, they'd cease to exist.

    How would society adapt for those things, though? For example, the production and distribution of food is a huge industry that provides many, many jobs. What would fill the void?

    Food pill developers maybe? The whole food pill idea is well, asinine, it's natural instinct to eat something, and you can't block out instincts, go ahead try it.

    SkutSkut on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited July 2008
    You'd still need to produce the same amount of energy contained in a normal meal somehow.

    Echo on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I wouldn't think that the production and distribution of food pills would offer quite as many job opportunities as the current industry.
    Really? Could you perhaps explain what part of the food pill creation process makes it easier?

    Quid on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    I wouldn't think that the production and distribution of food pills would offer quite as many job opportunities as the current industry.
    Really? Could you perhaps explain what part of the food pill creation process makes it easier?

    Alright, let's assume that farmers still had to grow food to be converted into pill form. Then, there of course has to be people to create the pills, people to determine who gets what kind of food pill, and people to distribute the pills.

    That leaves marketing and retail obsolete.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The biggest problem with the whole pill idea is that aside from how physically and psychologically unsatisfying eating a pill would be, you need to fit about 2,000 calories, and all the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients you'd get from your standard diet into pill form, and you rapidly reach the point where it'd just be easier to make a sandwich.

    Why would it make them obsolete? Companies are going to be pushing consumers to buy their pills - they go down easier, taste better, leave you feeling fuller, whatever. Marketing and retail would still be in full swing as different makers tried to convince you to take their pills.

    And honestly, food pills are in no way, shape, or form anything even remotely resembling a staple of sci-fi.

    Gabriel_Pitt on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    They get other jobs in marketing and retail or go into new fields of work entirely.

    Edit: DOOOOOOWEEEEEOOOOOOEEEEOOOOOOO

    Quid on
  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited July 2008
    And honestly, food pills are in no way, shape, or form anything even remotely resembling a staple of sci-fi.

    Possibly in bad sci-fi.

    Echo on
  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Why pills? Why not fruit snacks? Everyone loves fruit snacks, in spite of their small size.

    Robos A Go Go on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The biggest problem with the whole pill idea is that aside from how physically and psychologically unsatisfying eating a pill would be, you need to fit about 2,000 calories, and all the vitamins, minerals, and nutrients you'd get from your standard diet into pill form, and you rapidly reach the point where it'd just be easier to make a sandwich.

    I can understand the physical limitations, but not the psychological problems. From what I understand, a chemical called leptin lets your body know when it needs food and when it is satisfied. A substance in the pill could artificially induce satisfaction.
    Why would it make them obsolete? Companies are going to be pushing consumers to buy their pills - they go down easier, taste better, leave you feeling fuller, whatever.

    I assumed that the government would be in charge of food pills, not private companies. However, I guess it is a possibility.
    And honestly, food pills are in no way, shape, or form anything even remotely resembling a staple of sci-fi.

    Okay, fine, but they do show up.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • Gabriel_PittGabriel_Pitt Stepped in it Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Letin makes you not want to eat anymore. I'm talking about the very pleasant acts of tasting, chewing, enjoying the texture, what ever. So unless that pill also includes a hefty does of opiates, I'm not going to be feeling too satisfied after lunch. The only advantage a pill has it's compact, and lack of spoilage. Aside from those, there's absolutely nothing to make taking them attractive.

    Gabriel_Pitt on
  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage, you're making massive assumptions on how your supposed food pills work and failing to inform anyone about them.

    Quid on
  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I would suspect more realistically we will end out with a sort of meal-loaf or bar used for normal breakfast/lunch rations with the luxury of eating meat and fruit and things as a dinnertime thing.

    dispatch.o on
  • Hexmage-PAHexmage-PA Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Leptin makes you not want to eat anymore. I'm talking about the very pleasant acts of tasting, chewing, enjoying the texture, what ever.

    Is the actual act of eating that integral to human nature? I'm sorry, but I'm just having a hard time comprehending that people would be that pissed off that they couldn't taste or feel food in their mouths anymore, especially for those people who would be born after the transition and would never have had any other substance ingest.

    Of course, I bite my tongue all the time when I eat, so maybe I'm biased.

    Hexmage-PA on
  • dispatch.odispatch.o Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Hexmage-PA wrote: »
    Leptin makes you not want to eat anymore. I'm talking about the very pleasant acts of tasting, chewing, enjoying the texture, what ever.

    Is the actual act of eating that integral to human nature? I'm sorry, but I'm just having a hard time comprehending that people would be that pissed off that they couldn't taste or feel food in their mouths anymore, especially for those people who would be born after the transition and would never have had any other substance ingest.

    Of course, I bite my tongue all the time when I eat, so maybe I'm biased.

    The act of taking a break out of your day and eating something with friends/family is one of the primary ways we socialize.

    dispatch.o on
Sign In or Register to comment.