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"here is my reward horsey for addicting my friends!"
Damm I wish they'd had this back in the day when I recruited like 10-15 friends into the game. I actually felt rather bad about doing this after the fact as some of them had classic addict behaviour and their real life suffered for playing WOW. Oh well
Sorry but I don't want to commit to a part time job called RAIDING that I am PAYING MONTHLY for just to increase the size of my EPEEN so I can show off my EPICs and WTF PWNED people in BLUES in PVP...
WoW is a hobby, like many other things. Some people invest too much time into other hobbies, losing sight of more important things. It's not a problem of WoW so much as of people and how they sometimes want to be someone they're not
Sorry but I don't want to commit to a part time job called RAIDING that I am PAYING MONTHLY for just to increase the size of my EPEEN so I can show off my EPICs and WTF PWNED people in BLUES in PVP...
WoW is a hobby, like many other things. Some people invest too much time into other hobbies, losing sight of more important things. It's not a problem of WoW so much as of people and how they sometimes want to be someone they're not
I mean, plenty of people raid/progress decently by doing 3-4 hour sessions 3-4 nights a week. If your raid is filled with 25 like minded, focused, skilled players, this is more than doable. 9-16 hours of gaming per week? I sincerely doubt most here would consider that "losing sight of more important things." It's playing a lot, but it's hardly problematic if that's what you enjoy doing with your free time.
Granted, many, many people who play/raid in WoW play way more than this, and many play way more than is really good for them. However, the idea that you need to play WoW to the exclusion of every activity in your life just to raid is kind of silly.
If you don't like raiding, don't do it. Don't try to make it sound like the people who do enjoy it and make time for it are all obviously hardcore addicts who don't do anything else with their free time, because it's not the case.
I just was about to say that you still can't raid without farming, but actually.. By selling epic gems you made from the bosses heroic tokens, this could actually be possible
I mean, plenty of people raid/progress decently by doing 3-4 hour sessions 3-4 nights a week. If your raid is filled with 25 like minded, focused, skilled players, this is more than doable. 9-16 hours of gaming per week? I sincerely doubt most here would consider that "losing sight of more important things."
In itself, no. Its the fact that you're booking time into your life for that every week, as opposed to MMOing in the gaps you have available. That would be where the hardcore comes in. If I like making home videos, thats just a hobby. Its another to have a four night a week, inflexible schedule based around making them.
You can't casually raid, though I guess thats what the 10 mans are aiming for.
I just was about to say that you still can't raid without farming, but actually.. By selling epic gems you made from the bosses heroic tokens, this could actually be possible
Not to mention many "progression" guilds pay for their members' consumables/repairs from the guild bank.
Meh, I was a "hardcore" raider before BC. Burnt out, couldn't do it in the expansion. Don't have time for it anymore. Playing on a west coast server on EST makes it more difficult as well.
It's ok, because I get to spend all of that newfound free time doing productive things.
I mean, plenty of people raid/progress decently by doing 3-4 hour sessions 3-4 nights a week. If your raid is filled with 25 like minded, focused, skilled players, this is more than doable. 9-16 hours of gaming per week? I sincerely doubt most here would consider that "losing sight of more important things."
In itself, no. Its the fact that you're booking time into your life for that every week, as opposed to MMOing in the gaps you have available. That would be where the hardcore comes in. If I like making home videos, thats just a hobby. Its another to have a four night a week, inflexible schedule based around making them.
You can't casually raid, though I guess thats what the 10 mans are aiming for.
Yeah, the scheduling thing makes it rough, but that's the nature of the beast when you're trying to play regularly with 24 other people. That was one of the reasons I quit raiding, feeling bad when I couldn't make it to a raid because I had something better to do. Hopefully 10 man raids and increased parity among classes performing similar roles in the expansion will lend themselves to more in-guild "pugs" at different intervals.
Then again, TV watching isn't that much different if you have specific shows that you watch at specific times. Try getting me to do something else when the Eagles are going to be playing. I'll cut you.
It's also not really any different from being part of an intramural team for god knows what (aside from not being a physical activity, but this isn't about the semantics of "acceptable" uses of free time), or any other hobby that involves a regular meeting of a group of people. You have to schedule time for those too.
I've quit and came back some 3-4 times now. I have a 68 Ret Pallie and a 65 Moonkin. Every time I quit I was burned out, but I allowed myself to let something else fill the gap instead of just taking a week off to do something else (Poolhall, bar hop etc.)
Now I haven't leveled since the Dustwallow / exp lowering update so I'm sure the 40-58 mindless drag that is what's left of Azeroth shouldn't be as bad these days. When you start getting the decent quest rewards from Hellfire that really boosts up morale for a lot of people. Only to get to Terokkar / Zangarmarsh and feel that sting again. And if the sting hits you that early in Outland stop come back or just be done with it.
My problem is getting a guild that isn't full of a handful of outlanders and the other 75% of the roster being alts or tag-a-longs, "Can any level 70 help me level to 40 prz. Prz? This guild sucks." Lameasslazy leaves the guild.
I guess casual high level content guilds are a myth and I should stop chasing the dragon? /puts away the absinthe
I guess casual high level content guilds are a myth and I should stop chasing the dragon? /puts away the absinthe
Well, if you've got a 68 paladin, and you max out rested exp at 1.5 levels, you should be able to level him to 70 purely on rested. While many people like Ret, and love holy for karazhan, becomming a quality Prot paladin can be a good way to ingratiate yourself to a crew.
The main problem I can imagine here is that you're literally a year behind many, if not most people. Not only are most people already 70, they're likely done with most of the instances you've never even seen, so getting groups to grind out reputations might be a bit rough. Which isn't to say it's impossible, and your server's population and age can influence that greatly.
If nothing else, you could always push for 70, see what the grouping is like, and perhaps park the account again for a bit so you can come back with WLK fresh and ready to run with the pack while everything's still new and exciting.
I'm not saying that trying to see some stuff in TBC is hopeless, but do understand the perspective of many of those around you, along with the growing "expansion soon!" malaise.
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
I guess casual high level content guilds are a myth and I should stop chasing the dragon? /puts away the absinthe
Not at all, though they aren't too plentiful. I'm part of a guild that's doing MH/BT content at the moment, but none of it is mandatory raiding. Sign up, if you get selected, you go, simple as that.
We're more the exception than the rule, at least to my knowledge, but you should be able to find something to suit your needs if you hit up the realm boards on the WoW forum or just ask around your server.
Even better, don't just post the usual "Hi guys, I want to do stuff, do you like to do stuff?" kinda crap, actually research it. Many realms have a player maintained 'raiding progress' list, and if yours doesn't, check wowjutsu and look up your realm.
I'd recommend finding a guild that's in T4 content (Karazhan, Gruul, Magtheridon) who might be more likely to have people who are still hitting regular and heroic instances for their mains and/or alts.
If you want to be in the high end content, you've probably got quite a climb ahead of you to gear up and prove yourself to people who've "been there and done that" for ages now, but if you just want to see 5 mans and maybe some 10 man raids, it's worth looking into.
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Scheduling a time 3-4 times 3 to 5 hours a week for raiding...
I can't figure anything like that I did that comes close in real life other than working or schooling...
What other thing is there in real life that requires you to schedule 3 to 5 hours 3 to 4 times a week...?
Scheduling a time 3-4 times 3 to 5 hours a week for raiding...
I can't figure anything like that I did that comes close in real life other than working or schooling...
What other thing is there in real life that requires you to schedule 3 to 5 hours 3 to 4 times a week...?
When I played football in college, I had practice from 4-6:30 5 days a week. I had film review for two hours every Monday. My entire Saturday was gone for the game. I was also supposed to work out 3 nights a week after practice. This was at a D3 school that didn't take football that seriously.
Apparently though, if I spend all that time doing something I actually enjoy I need to get my priorities straight.
Band or choir practice, same deal (and what about those week long trips?). How many people watch TV for 3-4 hours 7 nights a week? Bar hopping? Gamez R Bad though.
Band or choir practice, same deal (and what about those week long trips?). How many people watch TV for 3-4 hours 7 nights a week? Bar hopping? Gamez R Bad though.
The first step is admitting that you have a problem.
When I played football in college, I had practice from 4-6:30 5 days a week. I had film review for two hours every Monday. My entire Saturday was gone for the game. I was also supposed to work out 3 nights a week after practice. This was at a D3 school that didn't take football that seriously.
Apparently though, if I spend all that time doing something I actually enjoy I need to get my priorities straight.
I think the reason people differentiate these two is that exercise is healthy, physically. Playing WOW you are just sitting all night.
Of course, I would argue that mental health is just as important and playing games I like is good for my sanity, but some people feel that if you aren't doing something that improves your life, the world, etc... every goddamn second of the day that you are wasting your time.
Fuck that though.
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Even better, don't just post the usual "Hi guys, I want to do stuff, do you like to do stuff?" kinda crap, actually research it. Many realms have a player maintained 'raiding progress' list, and if yours doesn't, check wowjutsu and look up your realm.
I'd recommend finding a guild that's in T4 content (Karazhan, Gruul, Magtheridon) who might be more likely to have people who are still hitting regular and heroic instances for their mains and/or alts.
If you want to be in the high end content, you've probably got quite a climb ahead of you to gear up and prove yourself to people who've "been there and done that" for ages now, but if you just want to see 5 mans and maybe some 10 man raids, it's worth looking into.
Yea I've been peering over the lists and such during my frequent downtime at work on the realm forums. I'm enjoying my Moonkin because he's dealing more DPS than my Pallie while I level even though I know Balance still gets a lot of heat for grouping I'll just have to deal with it. I'll cap out their professions and get them up to 70 each. Probably aim for Swift Flight Form and call it until the expansion.
I'm figuring the inclusion of Achievements is going to do better for me to see everything I've missed during my on/offs. I'm not really saying high end content meaning BT or Sunwell or any of that jazz. At this point I know that's pretty silly to desire. I'm thinking more of badge gearing as the only real sensible event available to me.
I think the reason people differentiate these two is that exercise is healthy, physically. Playing WOW you are just sitting all night.
Yeah, except that 9 years of football was actually terrible for my body. I can't wait for my neck/shoulder issues to really start bugging me down the road.
But yes, sedentary activity in excess is unhealthy, particularly if you work a 40+ hour a week desk job to begin with.
At any rate, the issue that was being argued was whether it was ludicrous to schedule your free time around a videogame (and, by implication, perfectly rational to schedule it around things that aren't WoW), not whether playing videogames has a net positive effect on your health
Aparently the Rogue had been with the guild for the entirety of TBC and the two Hunters in the raid had joined after their M'uru kill.
Seems fine to me.
The rogue had been with the guild since at least June of 2007. There's no record of either of the hunters being on the *server* before June 2008. They rewarded a player who helped them get where they are, apparently giving more effort than most 100% of the way. That's their prerogative; I'm sure the hunter community will have a fit about it, but at the end of the day it's just numbers in a video game.
Life in the world of warcraft will go on. Look at it this way: If the Warglaives were equippable by a hunter, you can bet your ass there would be a hunter who had one, if not two.
Edit: I'm posting in this thread too much. Needs more participation.
Another reason why I hate RAIDING...
Too much ego people and loot hungry people who wants their EPIC and LEGENDARY...
Raiding = Guild Drama over EPICs and LEGENDARYs
Who gives a flying fuck about raid DPS when your can kill KJ? That was their 7th KJ kill, I really do not think raid wide DPS is a problem for them.
People looked at me like I had two heads yesterday when I suggested that Warglaives should go for 0 DKP to whoever deserved them most in the raid. Why the fuck should someone who whored DKP for two months, and in doing so passed on upgrades, be more deserving of Legendaries then someone who was in the guild since Attumen?
Another reason why I hate RAIDING...
Too much ego people and loot hungry people who wants their EPIC and LEGENDARY...
Raiding = Guild Drama over EPICs and LEGENDARYs
Who gives a flying fuck about raid DPS when your can kill KJ? That was their 7th KJ kill, I really do not think raid wide DPS is a problem for them.
People looked at me like I had two heads yesterday when I suggested that Warglaives should go for 0 DKP to whoever deserved them most in the raid. Why the fuck should someone who whored DKP for two months, and in doing so passed on upgrades, be more deserving of Legendaries then someone who was in the guild since Attumen?
That's exactly why the DKP system is fundamentally flawed and most guild builders don't even have a contingency plan for situations like that.
Another reason why I hate RAIDING...
Too much ego people and loot hungry people who wants their EPIC and LEGENDARY...
Raiding = Guild Drama over EPICs and LEGENDARYs
Who gives a flying fuck about raid DPS when your can kill KJ? That was their 7th KJ kill, I really do not think raid wide DPS is a problem for them.
People looked at me like I had two heads yesterday when I suggested that Warglaives should go for 0 DKP to whoever deserved them most in the raid. Why the fuck should someone who whored DKP for two months, and in doing so passed on upgrades, be more deserving of Legendaries then someone who was in the guild since Attumen?
Regarding the bow: Good for them. Is it a massive upgrade for the hunters? Hell yes. However, if they've been in the guild for a couple of weeks; fuck them. They should be greatful to be in a KJ killing guild, especially since they appear to be transfers. Also possible; name changes?
Regarding the glaives; as I've ranted at length in this forum, my guild does use a DKP system. The only gear that appears to be exempt from said system are legendaries; the warglaives (6 so far) have been assigned by the officer core / loot council, and the bow will likely be treated the same way, assuming we manage to kill KJ and see it drop.
This means I will probably never get one (we have a few longer term hunters, and then a pair of rogues far more deserving ahead of me), and I see this as the system working as intended.
Another reason why I hate RAIDING...
Too much ego people and loot hungry people who wants their EPIC and LEGENDARY...
Raiding = Guild Drama over EPICs and LEGENDARYs
Oh noes, people giving loot to whomever they want, what a travesty.
Like someone else said, they kill KJ, who fucking cares.
I'll bet the Hunters care.
They're still in the guild, they must not care that much. That or they probably realize, like most rational people that a) it's just a game, and/or b) they're likely to get one sooner or later.
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edited August 2008
I'm just saying, I remember people flipping their shit when a Hunter got Thunderfury, and it's not like these legendary bows drop like candy or anything. Obviously some people care, trivial as it might sound.
People love to say "it's just a game" until something happens to piss them off, then they whine all day about it (hence the 'hope, hate, happiness' thread).
I'm just saying, I remember people flipping their shit when a Hunter got Thunderfury, and it's not like these legendary bows drop like candy or anything. Obviously some people care, trivial as it might sound.
People love to say "it's just a game" until something happens to piss them off, then they whine all day about it (hence the 'hope, hate, happiness' thread).
Thunderfury is quite a bit different, it cost a shitload of mats and had a debuff that was very, very useful and you can't exactly apply it from range, the proc was also very good for threat. You also get it in Molten Core wheras this bow is at the very end of BC.
Also, as noted, unless they've changed names recently, they're server transfers who've been in guild for at most 2 months. The rogue has been in guild for over a year.
They may be god's gift to hunters, but if you're new to a group like that, you have little room to complain.
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edited August 2008
Common sense aside, you're correct. There's no reason why the best gear for certain classes should go to those classes when your best bud would look so much cooler in it.
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
edited August 2008
I think Hunters would find a bow that didn't require any ammunition whatsoever to be very useful. I'll grant that a drop is easier to acquire than putting the mats together for thunderfury, but the point of giving very rare things to classes that can actually get the most use out of them stands. A rogue has no business with that legendary bow, any more than a hunter does thunderfury.
Also, as noted, unless they've changed names recently, they're server transfers who've been in guild for at most 2 months. The rogue has been in guild for over a year.
They may be god's gift to hunters, but if you're new to a group like that, you have little room to complain.
I disagree. Giving the best bow in the game to a class that will never use it to its potential is ridiculously stupid, and they have passed up the opportunity to have a more powerful hunter in their raid just so they could reward their buddy's attendance? That's beyond asinine.
I think Hunters would find a bow that didn't require any ammunition whatsoever to be very useful. I'll grant that a drop is easier to acquire than putting the mats together for thunderfury, but the point of giving very rare things to classes that can actually get the most use out of them stands. A rogue has no business with that legendary bow, any more than a hunter does thunderfury.
The point is it's not holding back their guild at all. The only thing you'd have that bow for is bragging rights, farming or PvP. If you give a Thunderfury to a Hunter back then you just gimped your guild's progression. Also, the droprate on this thing is pretty high.
I disagree. Giving the best bow in the game to a class that will never use it to its potential is ridiculously stupid, and they have passed up the opportunity to have a more powerful hunter in their raid just so they could reward their buddy's attendance? That's beyond asinine.
Doesn't matter how more powerful your hunters are when you're already killing the final boss of the game. The thing will be outmoded at 80.
I think Hunters would find a bow that didn't require any ammunition whatsoever to be very useful. I'll grant that a drop is easier to acquire than putting the mats together for thunderfury, but the point of giving very rare things to classes that can actually get the most use out of them stands. A rogue has no business with that legendary bow, any more than a hunter does thunderfury.
Also, as noted, unless they've changed names recently, they're server transfers who've been in guild for at most 2 months. The rogue has been in guild for over a year.
They may be god's gift to hunters, but if you're new to a group like that, you have little room to complain.
I disagree. Giving the best bow in the game to a class that will never use it to its potential is ridiculously stupid, and they have passed up the opportunity to have a more powerful hunter in their raid just so they could reward their buddy's attendance? That's beyond asinine.
Actually, the bow is 'best in slot' for a rogue, whereas the Thunderfury was just a stat stick that wasn't anything particularly impressive for a hunter.
The article is blocked at work, but do they specifically say that it was over attendance? Maybe the hunters just aren't all that good (compared to their peers)? Maybe they've been on the server for 2 months and only spent a week in raids?
This is the guild's 7th kill, they've been on the server for 2 months. Do the math; they joined LITERALLY to start KJ, wheras the rogue has at the very least likely paid his or her dues time and again in BT, Hyjal, Sunwell, and god knows where else.
Hey, I'm all for the best gear going into the best hands, but I'm in a very similar ituation; I'm a rogue that is behind a warrior for the next OH Warglaive, based purely on his much higher seniority, and I'm fine with that. I outdamage him on all but a handful of fights, but he's been in the guild for much longer than I have.
The gear itself isn't comparable, but the situation is, and I feel pretty consistant agreeing with both.
Now, if one of those hunters had been in the guild for 8-14 months (numbers pulled out of the air), I'd be right on board with calling them retards.
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HalfmexI mock your value systemYou also appear foolish in the eyes of othersRegistered Userregular
edited August 2008
From what I read it was that the rogue 'contributed more because he'd been in the guild longer, had 100% attendance', etc.
Bows are a stat stick for rogues every bit as much as thunderfury is for hunters. They don't use these things to their fullest potential.
Now sure, they've got KJ on farm, they drop him every week, whatever. Sure, they could see 3 more of these bows, but very possibly they won't see any more. We all know the bitch that is the RNG. I could understand doing this if both of the Hunters already had this bow. Then fine, give it to a rogue, give it to a warrior, whatever. But the fact remains that this bow is best used in the hands of a hunter, and not giving it to one of them simply because "they hadn't been in the guild long enough" is ridiculous.
Sure, we don't know the whole story, only that which was reported, so maybe these guys were total assholes and were planning on bailing the guild or they had already stolen from the guild or something. In extreme cases like that, this makes sense. But justifying it simply because of attendance? Doesn't make sense in my eyes.
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goddam that is sick!
"here is my reward horsey for addicting my friends!"
Damm I wish they'd had this back in the day when I recruited like 10-15 friends into the game. I actually felt rather bad about doing this after the fact as some of them had classic addict behaviour and their real life suffered for playing WOW. Oh well
I haven't really wanted to go back to it at all
WoW is a hobby, like many other things. Some people invest too much time into other hobbies, losing sight of more important things. It's not a problem of WoW so much as of people and how they sometimes want to be someone they're not
I mean, plenty of people raid/progress decently by doing 3-4 hour sessions 3-4 nights a week. If your raid is filled with 25 like minded, focused, skilled players, this is more than doable. 9-16 hours of gaming per week? I sincerely doubt most here would consider that "losing sight of more important things." It's playing a lot, but it's hardly problematic if that's what you enjoy doing with your free time.
Granted, many, many people who play/raid in WoW play way more than this, and many play way more than is really good for them. However, the idea that you need to play WoW to the exclusion of every activity in your life just to raid is kind of silly.
If you don't like raiding, don't do it. Don't try to make it sound like the people who do enjoy it and make time for it are all obviously hardcore addicts who don't do anything else with their free time, because it's not the case.
You can't casually raid, though I guess thats what the 10 mans are aiming for.
Not to mention many "progression" guilds pay for their members' consumables/repairs from the guild bank.
Meh, I was a "hardcore" raider before BC. Burnt out, couldn't do it in the expansion. Don't have time for it anymore. Playing on a west coast server on EST makes it more difficult as well.
It's ok, because I get to spend all of that newfound free time doing productive things.
Like watching terrible movies on free on demand.
Yeah, the scheduling thing makes it rough, but that's the nature of the beast when you're trying to play regularly with 24 other people. That was one of the reasons I quit raiding, feeling bad when I couldn't make it to a raid because I had something better to do. Hopefully 10 man raids and increased parity among classes performing similar roles in the expansion will lend themselves to more in-guild "pugs" at different intervals.
Then again, TV watching isn't that much different if you have specific shows that you watch at specific times. Try getting me to do something else when the Eagles are going to be playing. I'll cut you.
It's also not really any different from being part of an intramural team for god knows what (aside from not being a physical activity, but this isn't about the semantics of "acceptable" uses of free time), or any other hobby that involves a regular meeting of a group of people. You have to schedule time for those too.
Now I haven't leveled since the Dustwallow / exp lowering update so I'm sure the 40-58 mindless drag that is what's left of Azeroth shouldn't be as bad these days. When you start getting the decent quest rewards from Hellfire that really boosts up morale for a lot of people. Only to get to Terokkar / Zangarmarsh and feel that sting again. And if the sting hits you that early in Outland stop come back or just be done with it.
My problem is getting a guild that isn't full of a handful of outlanders and the other 75% of the roster being alts or tag-a-longs, "Can any level 70 help me level to 40 prz. Prz? This guild sucks." Lameasslazy leaves the guild.
I guess casual high level content guilds are a myth and I should stop chasing the dragon? /puts away the absinthe
Well, if you've got a 68 paladin, and you max out rested exp at 1.5 levels, you should be able to level him to 70 purely on rested. While many people like Ret, and love holy for karazhan, becomming a quality Prot paladin can be a good way to ingratiate yourself to a crew.
The main problem I can imagine here is that you're literally a year behind many, if not most people. Not only are most people already 70, they're likely done with most of the instances you've never even seen, so getting groups to grind out reputations might be a bit rough. Which isn't to say it's impossible, and your server's population and age can influence that greatly.
If nothing else, you could always push for 70, see what the grouping is like, and perhaps park the account again for a bit so you can come back with WLK fresh and ready to run with the pack while everything's still new and exciting.
I'm not saying that trying to see some stuff in TBC is hopeless, but do understand the perspective of many of those around you, along with the growing "expansion soon!" malaise.
We're more the exception than the rule, at least to my knowledge, but you should be able to find something to suit your needs if you hit up the realm boards on the WoW forum or just ask around your server.
I'd recommend finding a guild that's in T4 content (Karazhan, Gruul, Magtheridon) who might be more likely to have people who are still hitting regular and heroic instances for their mains and/or alts.
If you want to be in the high end content, you've probably got quite a climb ahead of you to gear up and prove yourself to people who've "been there and done that" for ages now, but if you just want to see 5 mans and maybe some 10 man raids, it's worth looking into.
I can't figure anything like that I did that comes close in real life other than working or schooling...
What other thing is there in real life that requires you to schedule 3 to 5 hours 3 to 4 times a week...?
Drinking?
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+1.
When I played football in college, I had practice from 4-6:30 5 days a week. I had film review for two hours every Monday. My entire Saturday was gone for the game. I was also supposed to work out 3 nights a week after practice. This was at a D3 school that didn't take football that seriously.
Apparently though, if I spend all that time doing something I actually enjoy I need to get my priorities straight.
The first step is admitting that you have a problem.
I think the reason people differentiate these two is that exercise is healthy, physically. Playing WOW you are just sitting all night.
Of course, I would argue that mental health is just as important and playing games I like is good for my sanity, but some people feel that if you aren't doing something that improves your life, the world, etc... every goddamn second of the day that you are wasting your time.
Fuck that though.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
Yea I've been peering over the lists and such during my frequent downtime at work on the realm forums. I'm enjoying my Moonkin because he's dealing more DPS than my Pallie while I level even though I know Balance still gets a lot of heat for grouping I'll just have to deal with it. I'll cap out their professions and get them up to 70 each. Probably aim for Swift Flight Form and call it until the expansion.
I'm figuring the inclusion of Achievements is going to do better for me to see everything I've missed during my on/offs. I'm not really saying high end content meaning BT or Sunwell or any of that jazz. At this point I know that's pretty silly to desire. I'm thinking more of badge gearing as the only real sensible event available to me.
Yeah, except that 9 years of football was actually terrible for my body. I can't wait for my neck/shoulder issues to really start bugging me down the road.
But yes, sedentary activity in excess is unhealthy, particularly if you work a 40+ hour a week desk job to begin with.
At any rate, the issue that was being argued was whether it was ludicrous to schedule your free time around a videogame (and, by implication, perfectly rational to schedule it around things that aren't WoW), not whether playing videogames has a net positive effect on your health
http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/08/07/forum-post-of-the-day-vicarious-legend/
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8765737195&sid=1&pageNo=1
Another reason why I hate RAIDING...
Too much ego people and loot hungry people who wants their EPIC and LEGENDARY...
Raiding = Guild Drama over EPICs and LEGENDARYs
This happens to everybody.
No, seriously.
Honestly, what I get from your posts is that you want to hate WoW. Well, that and to randomly put words in all caps.
Seems fine to me.
The rogue had been with the guild since at least June of 2007. There's no record of either of the hunters being on the *server* before June 2008. They rewarded a player who helped them get where they are, apparently giving more effort than most 100% of the way. That's their prerogative; I'm sure the hunter community will have a fit about it, but at the end of the day it's just numbers in a video game.
Life in the world of warcraft will go on. Look at it this way: If the Warglaives were equippable by a hunter, you can bet your ass there would be a hunter who had one, if not two.
Edit: I'm posting in this thread too much. Needs more participation.
Who gives a flying fuck about raid DPS when your can kill KJ? That was their 7th KJ kill, I really do not think raid wide DPS is a problem for them.
People looked at me like I had two heads yesterday when I suggested that Warglaives should go for 0 DKP to whoever deserved them most in the raid. Why the fuck should someone who whored DKP for two months, and in doing so passed on upgrades, be more deserving of Legendaries then someone who was in the guild since Attumen?
That's exactly why the DKP system is fundamentally flawed and most guild builders don't even have a contingency plan for situations like that.
Regarding the bow: Good for them. Is it a massive upgrade for the hunters? Hell yes. However, if they've been in the guild for a couple of weeks; fuck them. They should be greatful to be in a KJ killing guild, especially since they appear to be transfers. Also possible; name changes?
Regarding the glaives; as I've ranted at length in this forum, my guild does use a DKP system. The only gear that appears to be exempt from said system are legendaries; the warglaives (6 so far) have been assigned by the officer core / loot council, and the bow will likely be treated the same way, assuming we manage to kill KJ and see it drop.
This means I will probably never get one (we have a few longer term hunters, and then a pair of rogues far more deserving ahead of me), and I see this as the system working as intended.
Fixed that for you.
Do we need to go over Forar's Compendium again?
Oh noes, people giving loot to whomever they want, what a travesty.
Like someone else said, they kill KJ, who fucking cares.
They're still in the guild, they must not care that much. That or they probably realize, like most rational people that a) it's just a game, and/or b) they're likely to get one sooner or later.
People love to say "it's just a game" until something happens to piss them off, then they whine all day about it (hence the 'hope, hate, happiness' thread).
Thunderfury is quite a bit different, it cost a shitload of mats and had a debuff that was very, very useful and you can't exactly apply it from range, the proc was also very good for threat. You also get it in Molten Core wheras this bow is at the very end of BC.
They may be god's gift to hunters, but if you're new to a group like that, you have little room to complain.
I disagree. Giving the best bow in the game to a class that will never use it to its potential is ridiculously stupid, and they have passed up the opportunity to have a more powerful hunter in their raid just so they could reward their buddy's attendance? That's beyond asinine.
The point is it's not holding back their guild at all. The only thing you'd have that bow for is bragging rights, farming or PvP. If you give a Thunderfury to a Hunter back then you just gimped your guild's progression. Also, the droprate on this thing is pretty high.
Doesn't matter how more powerful your hunters are when you're already killing the final boss of the game. The thing will be outmoded at 80.
Actually, the bow is 'best in slot' for a rogue, whereas the Thunderfury was just a stat stick that wasn't anything particularly impressive for a hunter.
The article is blocked at work, but do they specifically say that it was over attendance? Maybe the hunters just aren't all that good (compared to their peers)? Maybe they've been on the server for 2 months and only spent a week in raids?
This is the guild's 7th kill, they've been on the server for 2 months. Do the math; they joined LITERALLY to start KJ, wheras the rogue has at the very least likely paid his or her dues time and again in BT, Hyjal, Sunwell, and god knows where else.
Hey, I'm all for the best gear going into the best hands, but I'm in a very similar ituation; I'm a rogue that is behind a warrior for the next OH Warglaive, based purely on his much higher seniority, and I'm fine with that. I outdamage him on all but a handful of fights, but he's been in the guild for much longer than I have.
The gear itself isn't comparable, but the situation is, and I feel pretty consistant agreeing with both.
Now, if one of those hunters had been in the guild for 8-14 months (numbers pulled out of the air), I'd be right on board with calling them retards.
Bows are a stat stick for rogues every bit as much as thunderfury is for hunters. They don't use these things to their fullest potential.
Now sure, they've got KJ on farm, they drop him every week, whatever. Sure, they could see 3 more of these bows, but very possibly they won't see any more. We all know the bitch that is the RNG. I could understand doing this if both of the Hunters already had this bow. Then fine, give it to a rogue, give it to a warrior, whatever. But the fact remains that this bow is best used in the hands of a hunter, and not giving it to one of them simply because "they hadn't been in the guild long enough" is ridiculous.
Sure, we don't know the whole story, only that which was reported, so maybe these guys were total assholes and were planning on bailing the guild or they had already stolen from the guild or something. In extreme cases like that, this makes sense. But justifying it simply because of attendance? Doesn't make sense in my eyes.