Hey all, first time posting. I wanted to share a theory, tear it apart as you will.
I was finishing my copy of Absolute Sandman Vol. 3 last night. In the bonus section is a short story from one of the Vertigo specials, 9 pages if I recall. It is about Desire and her meeting some people on a train and fucking with them. That's not important, what's important is that I think they revealed who Despair used to be. If you'll recall (those who've read it), Despair isn't the original. The first Despair got killed and the current took her place. They never said who she was previous Endless-wise. But in this short comic the poet dude recites a piece about Desire in which he drops a line similar to this:
"The Devotion That Became Despair"
Did anyone else notice this, and am I just reading a ridiculous amount into this? I just can't trust this Gaiman fellow as far as I can throw him. Damn it.
TLDR: Devotion became Despair.
Will get the exact line when I get home.
UNLESS you want to turn this into a general sandman thread
no, the idea is that
Yeah, but Beanish is positing that the entity that is now Despair was previously another Endless called Devotion, unless I'm reading him wrong. Since there was another Despair before te current one, there would have been eight Endless in total.
i assumed he meant that a combination happened, that it once used to be called devotion but died and was replaced by despair
honestly that makes sense to me. it certainly would fit into the general theme of the series
Sorta-kinda fits with Despair being twin of Desire.
"By the hunger of change and emotion, by the thirst of unbearable things. By despair the twin-born of devotion by the pleasure that winces and stings."
So, that's my grand contribution to things. Now, I return to my poorly animated 80s movie.
Both him and Alan Moore, for me. I can deal with Gaiman, but I just don't "get" Moore.
Signal to Noise is probably my favourite thing Gaiman's done, actually, in prose or comics.
I really need to just up and buy the Absolute Sandman collections sometime.
Has Sandman, and more specifically the Endless, played into the DC universe at all?, besides the Sandman comics themself?
Also, how much extra is there in the absolute volumes? Because I am a whore for anything Sandman related written by Gaiman, but is it worth the shameful amount of money?
Destiny was actually an established DC character prior to his appearance in Sandman.
Danial was in JSA and in a cut panel from Infinite Crisis. Dream (Morpheus) was in Green Arrow: Quiver. The day of judgement trade talks about the Endless in the place of magik. Identity Crisis mentions that there are seven aspects that control humanity and names two of them as Despair and Destruction.
Not sure if I'll get the Dream Hunters one, but looking forward to the Death HC. Now all that remains is a Lucifer HC announcement.
I'm pretty sure the story jumped around a lot because it was about dreams.
Dreams jump around a lot.
mm, i don't know about that. i think even the most incidental stories were pushing the agenda of dream's personality, just how long he'd been kind of a dick, and how much of a struggle it was for him to change himself.
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"I got a call from Vertigo editor-queen Karen Berger asking how I'd feel about another volume of Absolute Sandman, one with Endless Nights and Dream Hunters, and perhaps the Sandman Midnight Theatre story, and the story at the beginning of Dust Covers in it.... I'm not sure. I like that Sandman is one four volume book. Having said that, lots of you have written and asked about it, and Endless Nights and Mr Amano's lovely Dream Hunters are both out of print as hardbacks, and it would be nice to see that art that huge. I suppose I'd feel fine about it if we called it something other than Absolute Sandman Volume 5. Absolute Sandman Supplemental maybe?"
You realize Emperor Norton was a real person?
But yes that telling of the story was one of my favorite Sandman bits. That and Barbie seeing Wanda as a girl in her dream.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
You and wikipedia just blew my mind. Freaking awesome.
Some of the single issue Sandman stories, like Dream of 1000 Cats or Ramadan or parts of the World's End arc, are my favorite comics ever.
I need to read Signal to Noise.