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Well, I just read about this after trying not to read about this for days:
Female Army PFC raped and mutilated by Army contractors
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Raped, brutalized, murdered, lit on fire, acid poured into genital areas... all this... was ruled a suicide.
This really screwed my day. The thing is, there's countless stories of women in the Army dealing with rape, rape/murder, etc. etc. If you had a daughter who joined the army and had to go overseas in a potentially hostile and stressful environment, would you feel secure?
Female Army PFC raped and mutilated by Army contractors
Article with Photo
Raped, brutalized, murdered, lit on fire, acid poured into genital areas... all this... was ruled a suicide.
This really screwed my day. The thing is, there's countless stories of women in the Army dealing with rape, rape/murder, etc. etc. If you had a daughter who joined the army and had to go overseas in a potentially hostile and stressful environment, would you feel secure?
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Holy shit.
The stories I could tell.
Limed for truth, yeah this would be all over Fox News if she was a young white girl.
Edit: Well after I actually read the article I would say this would have stayed off the radar no matter what the ethnicity of the girl was, since it happened in Iraq and not an army base things become a little more complicated. I think said rape and murder happened in a time where contractors were under a lot of fire and were getting a lot of bad PR. It seems like a lot of parties would be benefit from this story not becoming a big story.
Our own troops should not be terrified of going to the bathroom at night on our own military posts.
Can you name the two white women who were raped in similar circumstances? One of whom was locked in a cargo container, who had the sexual assault test turned over to the people who assaulted her? Would you know of them if there hadnt been threads started specifically about them?
Do you think anything more than a small majority of Americans have heard of them either?
The current military industrial complex white washes everything.. does it make you feel better to know she was treated as a white woman would have been?
41% of female veterans have been victims of sexual assault, 29% of them have been raped. [Statistics from VA hospitals]
MWO: Adamski
Fox News. Why peope watch that piece of shit TV network in the U.S. is beyond me.
On that note, why are most journalists worldwide self-centered, prejudice, unethical, stubborn assholes?
Are those real statistics or most-rapes-go-unreported-so-we-make-up-a-number statistics?
It is incredibly entertaining. Like a 24-hour parody of news.
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But anywho, the only stories I've seen are ground troops in bases outside the US.
I disagree.
Segregation of sexes is not what is needed. On the contrary, I suspect it would be very counter-productive to the type of environment we are trying to promote in the military.
What is needed is significantly more transperancy and extreme punishment in matters like this. It is very clear that people will keep committing these sorts of crimes when they know they'll most likely get away with it.
The problem is enforcement, really.
Like I said in the speed limit thread, a law might as well not exist if it is not being enforced.
Is it thought that the perpetrators were in the Army also?
Either that or they were contractors.
Part of me thinks that the UCMJ should apply to contractors as well. Another part of me thinks "wait, technically I'm a USAF contractor right now, and that's probably a terrible idea." But there has to be some solution.
Those are statistics as reported to doctors at VA hospitals by the women who were assaulted/raped.
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This. The problem is that right now army culture revolves around being one of the "good ol' boys." The obvious solution would be to have more/higher ranking women in the military, but unfortunately that's not going to happen due to the nature of the problem.
Transparency and oversight would be a good first step, but the U.S. doesn't really like to keep our military accountable for, well, anything really.
I'm generally against the death penalty... but for something like this... I would like to see the collaborators get a solid 5-10 years of rehab, re-edu, and hard labor in military prison.
Especially any officers that cover it up.
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5-10 years? For rape and murder? Sounds pretty light; even a civilian court in a non-death penalty state would go for 25-life.
Ah. Ten years for an accessory to a capital offense is, again, within what the UCMJ already allows for. Really, this shit just needs active enforcement, which is unfortunately harded to get than just fixing the legislation.
Maybe what they need is a civilian oversight group in the pentagon to look over these things. Staff it with equal women & men with no military background and give them some pretty big authority. It couldn't hurt.
You'll run into the same problem now. Enforcement. The problem isn't (most of the time) at the higher ends, it's all at the bottom. People fail to report on either it happening or witnessing it. People cover it up. There isn't enough enforcement at the Company/Trooop/Battery level. I could speculate why, but it's just speculations.
Increase the penalties and you'll have what appears to be the number of incidents of rape dropping, however in truth it will be because it's being reported even less.
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However much bullshit that is. My last unit waived all sorts of punishable behaviour like drugs and having liquor imported from the states (nothing close to the level of a rape or assault) in order to keep the individuals working rather than punish. Or just a simple slap on the wrist.
All that ended up doing was making more of the enlisted just not give a flying fuck.
I'd love to see a more strict and tightened up military. We have hundreds of hours of classes on how to act, and conduct ourselves with lots of touchy feely "discuss your feelings" stuff. But in the end it just makes the place alot softer, and keeps the shit-bags around who are not only discipline problems but just dont care.
Then you shouldn't let your daughter go to college either! Any military service is pretty much a giant frat house, and the same sort of shit happens. Really, the antics I pulled towards women in the military, barring escapades with hookers in other countries, weren't nearly as bad as what I pulled in college. I saw more women raped, run a train on, humiliated, in school then I did in the military.
The difference here is that in the military, you get tossed into horrible situations and people sometimes snap and do really stupid things.
Speaking as a Navy man, yes and no. Again, the military was a far less sexually hostile place then college, and since the Navy/Airforce sees far less actual "in the shit" ground combat people don't snap as much. Most of the sexual hanky panky was from women who either whored themselves out for cash, or wanted to fuck on the ship and get knocked up to get out of deployment.
It's just as sexually charged as any environment with a bunch of testosterone filled males in the ages of 18-26. The slight difference is that the majority of these males are the jock/athletic type.
Unless you are talking about completely removing women from service, shit will happen. But you just made the argument the rethugs use as to way gays shouldn't be in the military.
You will get in trouble for this. The problem is the situation in which this particular case happened. It was in Iraq, not on a base, and possibly involved contractors...
Everyone I know who got caught fucking on the ship, got thrown the fuck out of the Navy pronto and spent their time in the brig until we could get them a COD.
Those statistics are not accurate. I knew a couple women in the Navy who cried rape after they were paid for sex to extort more money out of the guy, and many who cried rape after getting knocked up on ship to avoid getting thrown out.
Part of the problem with enforcing things like this is that, from my experience as an NCO, trying to figure out who did what often comes down to he-said-she-said bullshit and getting to the truth is like trying to nail jello on the ceiling.
But they're contractors. So they get paid more money and have less oversight.
Hire mercenary soldiers, and it turns out they're dangerous sickos? REALLY?
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And you're in the Navy. I'm in the Army. No offense, but our two worlds are vastly different. The Navy offers more jobs for females and is a bit more integrated, while the Army is still strictly segregated between combat and non-combat units. Heaven forbid a female walk through a FOB full of nothing but combat arms. Army combat units are composed of misc. types of personalities, ranging from jocks to the isolated nerds.
Last time I saw this happen in Iraq, it was not even dealt with. They just seperated the group, hid the incident and swept it under the rug. On more than 1 occassion.
You can write and theorize about all the policy you want, but the simple fact of the matter is that it's not being enforced. Commanders don't want their unit to be known as the unit that had a rape happen. It looks bad for not having control and when they go up for a promotion; and it makes their boss look bad. It makes career NCO's look bad for not having control and not knowing the situation; and it makes soldiers look bad because it makes us out to be monsters. No one wants that on their plate, so they don't deal with it.
It's when the females or some one who actually gives a damn starts fighting that stories break out.
I went to G Mason (still going actually), and I saw the same sort of sexual idiocy at UMD, GT, and GW.
As for cheating, um that happens all the time. It's not a big deal.
As for Navy VS Army, I already now it's not the same. On the other hand you don't have to deal with a bunch of people cooped up on a ship full of fighter jocks, combat marines, SEALs, intel, and mechanics. Certain areas of the boat are known as the love shack, and prostitution is rampant.
All I'm saying is that if "protecting your daughter" is concern enough to keep her out of the military, make sure she never gets near a frat or rugby house either.
EDIT: What the fuck college did you go to, psychotix? University of Gomorrah?
Well then, you're in my neighborhood. Howdy. And yes, I'd still qualify G mason because it's in a shitty area. I've also seen stupidity at my college, VCU, afterall it is Richmond. Just not to the blantant extent that I saw in the Army.
On my deployments, we had latrines that where love shacks (yea, sick). We had a single, long building, hold 40+ people and that was our barracks. Completely open bays, with about 6 feet inbetween bunkbeds, but little visible seperation. We had locations in the woods or desert, or around the FOB. Or when we had individual rooms, why hide it? Girls would just go back and forth within a common area in our barracks.
Granted, that's not bad as being packed in like hotdogs on a ship like the Navy does, but it still sucks.
And of course prostitution is rampant, it's the easiest way to make money and have sex while in Iraq. There are organized prostitution rings in Iraq/Kuwait area, and they will never go away. If anything, they'll just get larger and more organized.
I'm goint to George Mason in VA, but I've seen the same type of shit at other frats and rugby houses at UMD, and George Washington.
If I had to compare sexual crimes, not counting girls who whored themselves out on ship for cash or prostitues in other countries, I'd say frats at school are about on par with the Navy.
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What college did you go to?
Because in colleges people can, you know, stay out of the Greek system completely. Frats are not an integral and necessary part of the college experience, unless you like doing those things or getting them done to you.