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Speeding up my laptop?

rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
Hi guys, I've had my Alienware laptop for about 2 years now and I just got back on Steam trying to play some mods for HL2 and I noticed that my FPS aren't NEAR as good as what they used to be, and my laptop handled the same game I'm playing now way better back when it first came out. Also, it seems like it is taking an eternity to connect to an actual match. Btw, the mod I'm talking about is Insurgency. I also play CS and stuff but it still seems like my laptop is performing nowhere near what it was. Does anyone know of any sites I can go to or software that can speed up my laptop or can anyone tell me why my laptop might be so sluggish now? The graphics in the mod should be no problem for my laptop but it seems like it struggles. Thanks in advance for any help!

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    You are encountering Windows Rot. Over time as you install/remove crap, do more and more with windows it just slows down. The only way to really cure it is to re-install windows, but there are things you can do to minimize it's effect.

    I'd kill as many background processes as you can and see how much that helps. Also try updating drivers.

    What are your specs?

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If you don't feel like reformatting (sure-fire way) you can try cleaning the registry, scanning for adware/spyware (Spybot + Adaware + Spysweeper), or CCleaner.

    Aside from that, a fresh reformat never hurt anybody. Just data.

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    120 GB HD with 30 GB left (I have a lot of music and I need to clean out the shit that never gets listened to)
    512 RAM
    NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800 (Pretty sure I've looked for updates on the site and didn't find any for this one)

    I think I've updated the video card before and I'm pretty sure theres something on steam where you can check your hardware

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Okay so I went to the NVIDIA page and the Go 6800 isn't on there so I went to the Alienware page and the update they have for it there is from 2005 which I'm pretty sure doesn't matter. Are there any other drivers I should try to update that would help? Also, pardon my ignorance, but what does reformatting do and what would I need to do to do it?

    Also, can anyone give me a list of background programs that would be safe to shut down? I'm running XP so when I do CTRL ALT DEL i get the task manager and go to processes, but what is safe to shut down? Thanks again in advance.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    rabbit221 wrote: »
    Okay so I went to the NVIDIA page and the Go 6800 isn't on there so I went to the Alienware page and the update they have for it there is from 2005 which I'm pretty sure doesn't matter. Are there any other drivers I should try to update that would help? Also, pardon my ignorance, but what does reformatting do and what would I need to do to do it?

    Also, can anyone give me a list of background programs that would be safe to shut down? I'm running XP so when I do CTRL ALT DEL i get the task manager and go to processes, but what is safe to shut down? Thanks again in advance.

    Screencap of your Task Manager would help. There are literally thousands of programs you could be running.

    Reformatting means wiping your hard drive clean (all data erased) and reinstalling Windows. This gives you a clean start and a much healthier, snappier system. When I ran WinXP I did this about twice a year. You've mentioned your music, so you'd have to back that up somehow (external HDD, burned DVDs of MP3 files etc.)

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  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Start > Run > msconfig

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    A windows reinstall after a defrag is about as good as a reformat, and you keep your data which is awfully handy. I'd just do that (back up or move everything from My Documents if you're installing over-top of your old windows.) The analogy was used for EQ, but Windows is like a very friendly, beautiful... and mentally retarded woman. As much as we all like it, it has shortcomings. I say reinstall, then gasp at your blazing network performance and frame-rates.

    Ego on
    Erik
  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I turned off a lot from the startup menu and it seems to boot faster and load some things faster, I've yet to test my speed during a game.

    If I'm to reinstall windows after a defrag, I won't really have to worry about all my music and files? I don't wanna do the wrong thing and then lose all my stuff lol

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Any data files that reside somewhere within the windows installation folder itself or in folders that are created by a windows install should be moved to sub-directories elsewhere on your hard drive. So things like My Documents, you really want to move. It's wise to back up critical things once in a while anyway, and if you haven't yet, now's the time.

    Some software will work after a fresh windows install just by creating a shortcut to the .exe, but a lot will have to be reinstalled. Save yourself trouble and dig up software that you use (for me, archievers like winrar, media players of choice, torrent software, etc) and drivers (especially network drivers) beforehand. If you let your computer remember passwords for you for things you use like steam or MSN, refresh your memory.

    Also, if your alienware just has a hidden restore partition instead of a disc (being an alienware I'm assuming they give you a real windows cd, though I've never owned one), reinstalling only windows may very well not be an option. Restore options generally just wipe and install the setup that came with the machine when you bought it.

    Ego on
    Erik
  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yeah, I just read this article http://pcworld.about.com/magazine/2109p156id111652.htm and it says that I won't have to wipe everything.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Honestly Ego, if you're going to go through all of that... just format the damn thing. Software may or may not work, backup everything, get software to reinstall, drivers etc. is the same checklist one goes through prior to a reformat anyway.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    Honestly Ego, if you're going to go through all of that... just format the damn thing. Software may or may not work, backup everything, get software to reinstall, drivers etc. is the same checklist one goes through prior to a reformat anyway.

    It's time consuming to move hundreds of gigabytes of data so you can reformat. 'Moving' data out of windows directories takes no time at all other than giving the commands since the hard drive just decides the data now resides in another place. It really does save a lot of time, in my experience, though I may be one of few people who has close to a terabyte of data I'd have to back up in the case of a format.

    I suppose part of my saved time when reinstalling windows as opposed to reformatting is from the software re-installations that do need to occur happening from images or install files that are already on the HD (I learned a long time ago to save installation files that I use in every windows install) rather than CD's, though. But some software surprises you by not needing to be reinstalled (like Blizzard titles in general.)

    Ego on
    Erik
  • Rigor MortisRigor Mortis Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    First thing, turn off every unnecessary program you have in the background. Most people have piles of crap running all the time that they don't need. Remove it from your startup with msconfig.exe.

    The next thing that should help a sluggish computer is to go into the Control Panel Administrative services and turn off all the system services you don't need. And tell it not to start up again unless you damn well say so (aka, switch it to Off & Manual Start). I mean, who the hell thought Windows needed a "remote registry" service running all the time? Turn that shit off and free up some CPU.

    Here's some info - XP has shocking levels of unnecessary bloat in the background, but you CAN disable it. I hope to god vista has this feature as well.
    http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_unnecessary_services_on_windows_xp
    http://www.w-tweaks.com/html/xp-disable-services.html


    If you're using XP, running XPlite is also worthwhile. Strip out everything else you don't need and it reduces the RAM and CPU footprint of your OS.

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'll have to disable all the stuff on that list. Also, I just tried to update my GeForce Go 6800 from the Alienware site and I tried to run a game on steam and it says my driver is still out of date and shows the old version on there still. Any idea how to fix that? Also, it's got like M5700, M7700, and GeForce Go6800 FX and FX Ultra. How do I know which one I have when all it says on properties is 6800?

    EDIT: Okay, my computer shows it as being updated but steam says I still have an outdated driver. I'll post on their forums about it.

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  • LaCabraLaCabra MelbourneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    You've probably got a recovery partition you could boot from and have the whole thing done in ten minutes or so. Not sure how you do it on an Alienware though.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    On a slightly related note, I heard the much lessened windows rot in Vista. Is this true?

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  • LaCabraLaCabra MelbourneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It is.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Awesome

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I noticed Vista getting sluggish just the other day. I killed off a lot of unneccessary programs I don't use anymore and uninstalled others, then rebooted. Like new. Wow.

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  • LaCabraLaCabra MelbourneRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I noticed Vista being sluggish before I upgraded my HDDs. They were all old stolen IDEs and groaned under the weight of Superfetch accessing them all the time. Now I'm on a single 500GB SATA with 0% fragmentation thanks to O&O Defrag. Vista is happy.

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  • AyulinAyulin Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Regarding laptop drivers, you could try this site. Ignore the "Latest Drivers" thing on the side, since oddly enough it's out of date, and head for the forums. You need to get the actual driver file, and the Modded INF to install.

    And yeah, Windows Rot doesn't seem to be much of an issue in Vista.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Ego wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    Honestly Ego, if you're going to go through all of that... just format the damn thing. Software may or may not work, backup everything, get software to reinstall, drivers etc. is the same checklist one goes through prior to a reformat anyway.

    It's time consuming to move hundreds of gigabytes of data so you can reformat. 'Moving' data out of windows directories takes no time at all other than giving the commands since the hard drive just decides the data now resides in another place. It really does save a lot of time, in my experience, though I may be one of few people who has close to a terabyte of data I'd have to back up in the case of a format.

    I suppose part of my saved time when reinstalling windows as opposed to reformatting is from the software re-installations that do need to occur happening from images or install files that are already on the HD (I learned a long time ago to save installation files that I use in every windows install) rather than CD's, though. But some software surprises you by not needing to be reinstalled (like Blizzard titles in general.)

    If you have a terabyte of data that lives on your primary OS partition, you need to seriously rethink your data layout yesterday. Even different partitions on the same drive is incredibly risky. Drop the $1-200 and invest in a couple external drives for your data. This way you never have to worry about losing it to a simple repartition -- or worse, a drive failure.

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    http://www.jasonn.com/turning_off_unnecessary_services_on_windows_xp
    http://www.w-tweaks.com/html/xp-disable-services.html


    If you're using XP, running XPlite is also worthwhile. Strip out everything else you don't need and it reduces the RAM and CPU footprint of your OS.

    I started reading the JasonOn article and god what a douchebag he is. Reading his comment on the "Windows Update" and the one below it (about Background) just made me hate the fucker. I closed the window after that.

    I wouldn't disable everything these articles say to though, Rabbit. I'd read them and see if you want to disable them or not. Some of them might be something you need.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Satan. wrote: »
    Ego wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    Honestly Ego, if you're going to go through all of that... just format the damn thing. Software may or may not work, backup everything, get software to reinstall, drivers etc. is the same checklist one goes through prior to a reformat anyway.

    It's time consuming to move hundreds of gigabytes of data so you can reformat. 'Moving' data out of windows directories takes no time at all other than giving the commands since the hard drive just decides the data now resides in another place. It really does save a lot of time, in my experience, though I may be one of few people who has close to a terabyte of data I'd have to back up in the case of a format.

    I suppose part of my saved time when reinstalling windows as opposed to reformatting is from the software re-installations that do need to occur happening from images or install files that are already on the HD (I learned a long time ago to save installation files that I use in every windows install) rather than CD's, though. But some software surprises you by not needing to be reinstalled (like Blizzard titles in general.)

    If you have a terabyte of data that lives on your primary OS partition, you need to seriously rethink your data layout yesterday. Even different partitions on the same drive is incredibly risky. Drop the $1-200 and invest in a couple external drives for your data. This way you never have to worry about losing it to a simple repartition -- or worse, a drive failure.

    A terabyte of data (roughly, short two operating systems) is just what I'd be looking at to back up on the drive that contains my OS. I have a lot of data. What doesn't fill up other systems or drives invariably fills up my main ones. Even my secondary rig has a bunch of extra data sitting on OS drives.

    Drives are for data. OS containing drives aren't much more risky than non-OS containing drives these days, and believe me, my non-OS containing drives (and systems) have a lot more data on them than a terabyte.

    Ego on
    Erik
  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ego wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    Ego wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    Honestly Ego, if you're going to go through all of that... just format the damn thing. Software may or may not work, backup everything, get software to reinstall, drivers etc. is the same checklist one goes through prior to a reformat anyway.

    It's time consuming to move hundreds of gigabytes of data so you can reformat. 'Moving' data out of windows directories takes no time at all other than giving the commands since the hard drive just decides the data now resides in another place. It really does save a lot of time, in my experience, though I may be one of few people who has close to a terabyte of data I'd have to back up in the case of a format.

    I suppose part of my saved time when reinstalling windows as opposed to reformatting is from the software re-installations that do need to occur happening from images or install files that are already on the HD (I learned a long time ago to save installation files that I use in every windows install) rather than CD's, though. But some software surprises you by not needing to be reinstalled (like Blizzard titles in general.)

    If you have a terabyte of data that lives on your primary OS partition, you need to seriously rethink your data layout yesterday. Even different partitions on the same drive is incredibly risky. Drop the $1-200 and invest in a couple external drives for your data. This way you never have to worry about losing it to a simple repartition -- or worse, a drive failure.
    A terabyte of data (roughly, short two operating systems) is just what I'd be looking at to back up on the drive that contains my OS. I have a lot of data. What doesn't fill up other systems or drives invariably fills up my main ones. Even my secondary rig has a bunch of extra data sitting on OS drives.

    Drives are for data. OS containing drives aren't much more risky than non-OS containing drives these days, and believe me, my non-OS containing drives (and systems) have a lot more data on them than a terabyte.

    Drives != Partitions. Split that off into a 10/20GB for your OS partition and put the rest of it on another spot.

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  • EgoEgo Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ego wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    Ego wrote: »
    Satan. wrote: »
    Honestly Ego, if you're going to go through all of that... just format the damn thing. Software may or may not work, backup everything, get software to reinstall, drivers etc. is the same checklist one goes through prior to a reformat anyway.

    It's time consuming to move hundreds of gigabytes of data so you can reformat. 'Moving' data out of windows directories takes no time at all other than giving the commands since the hard drive just decides the data now resides in another place. It really does save a lot of time, in my experience, though I may be one of few people who has close to a terabyte of data I'd have to back up in the case of a format.

    I suppose part of my saved time when reinstalling windows as opposed to reformatting is from the software re-installations that do need to occur happening from images or install files that are already on the HD (I learned a long time ago to save installation files that I use in every windows install) rather than CD's, though. But some software surprises you by not needing to be reinstalled (like Blizzard titles in general.)

    If you have a terabyte of data that lives on your primary OS partition, you need to seriously rethink your data layout yesterday. Even different partitions on the same drive is incredibly risky. Drop the $1-200 and invest in a couple external drives for your data. This way you never have to worry about losing it to a simple repartition -- or worse, a drive failure.
    A terabyte of data (roughly, short two operating systems) is just what I'd be looking at to back up on the drive that contains my OS. I have a lot of data. What doesn't fill up other systems or drives invariably fills up my main ones. Even my secondary rig has a bunch of extra data sitting on OS drives.

    Drives are for data. OS containing drives aren't much more risky than non-OS containing drives these days, and believe me, my non-OS containing drives (and systems) have a lot more data on them than a terabyte.

    Drives != Partitions. Split that off into a 10/20GB for your OS partition and put the rest of it on another spot.

    enh? My main drive has a bunch of partitions. My advice was for the OP who I figure doesn't. I see how that would be read otherwise though, since I was thinking of (in my case) reformatting to be an entire drive reformat, not just doing a partition. And realistically you're right, I'd just nail the OS partitions.
    It's time consuming to move hundreds of gigabytes of data so you can reformat. 'Moving' data out of windows directories takes no time at all other than giving the commands since the hard drive just decides the data now resides in another place. It really does save a lot of time, in my experience, though I may be one of few people who has close to a terabyte of data I'd have to back up in the case of a format.

    Is a really confusing paragraph when I read it and think, in my head, about how in different places I'm talking about the likely situation for the OP or myself.

    My bad.

    Ego on
    Erik
  • WrenchieWrenchie Registered User new member
    edited August 2008
    This is mostly idle curiosity, but is your laptop set to powersaver mode? That could kill your framerates...

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Wrenchie wrote: »
    This is mostly idle curiosity, but is your laptop set to powersaver mode? That could kill your framerates...

    how do i check that? i'll get back to you when i find out
    also, my laptop is always plugged in

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  • FremFrem Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    There's usually a little utility or something. On my old Toshiba, I held down the FN key and hit a little lightbulb icon they had printed on F2. On my Dell Vostro, I think there was something they had running in the system tray you could click on and change, but I've barely used the Windows partition since I got the machine, so I'm not sure.

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  • WrenchieWrenchie Registered User new member
    edited August 2008
    rabbit221 wrote: »
    Wrenchie wrote: »
    This is mostly idle curiosity, but is your laptop set to powersaver mode? That could kill your framerates...

    how do i check that? i'll get back to you when i find out
    also, my laptop is always plugged in

    I think power is just straight in the control panel? Also don't underestimate the power of a good computer cleaning!

    also also, http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=745 should help you with your driver woes

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    went to my power options and it doesn't show an option for powersaving or anything

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So it looks like DX9 is the reason my steam games are running at shitty framerates. Any idea if updating anything will help that? I updated my video card and its still running real choppy. For now I'm running the games in DX 8

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    In addition to what others have suggested, have you considered adding some more RAM?

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    rabbit221 wrote: »
    So it looks like DX9 is the reason my steam games are running at shitty framerates. Any idea if updating anything will help that? I updated my video card and its still running real choppy. For now I'm running the games in DX 8
    That's odd. Have you updated to DirectX 9.0c or whatever the latest is? I had to update that independently of what the games installed for some reason when my Compaq X6000 got reformatted.

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  • rabbit221rabbit221 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Where do I update that from, like the DX site or whatever?

    EDIT: Nevermind, found it, downloading the latest update (June 2008) to see if that helps anything

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Oh June 08 update, nice. Good to see they haven't forsaken that as an update.

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  • freakish lightfreakish light butterdick jones and his heavenly asshole machineRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Some graphics cards just have better performance through DX8. When I pop my Steam games into DX8 through -dxlevel 81 my framerate goes up 20-30 fps. It just depends on the card.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Well, remember that DX8 is going to keep things tuned down anyways. You might as well just turn down texture and shader details.

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  • AyulinAyulin Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Just popping in again to mention the August 2008 DX update is out. Alternatively, try the web installer instead.

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