The new forums will be named Coin Return (based on the most recent vote)! You can check on the status and timeline of the transition to the new forums here.
The Guiding Principles and New Rules document is now in effect.

Raid on mayors house causes death of dogs, news and possible firings

SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
"A police SWAT team raided the home of the mayor in the Prince George's County town of Berwyn Heights on Tuesday, shooting and killing his two dogs, after he brought in a 32-pound package of marijuana that had been delivered to his doorstep, police said.

As the police came in, Calvo said, they shot his 7-year-old black Labrador retriever, Payton, near the front door and then his 4-year-old dog, Chase, also a black Lab, as the dog ran into a back room. Walking through his house yesterday, Calvo pointed out a bullet hole in the drywall where the younger dog had been shot.

"You can't tell me the chief of police of a municipality wouldn't have been able to knock on the door of the mayor of that municipality, gain his confidence and enter the residence," Murphy said. "It would not have been a necessity to shoot and kill this man's dogs.""

Just some snippets from the article. Really fucked up stuff there, pretty sure there's some laws broken as well, and shooting his dog as it ran away? really?

Whole thing is here

SkutSkut on
«1

Posts

  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Wow that's fucked up but I am not surprised. Did they at least offer an apology? On the other hand, I wouldn't care if they offered an apology or not because I'd defend my pets with force no matter who is attacking. Shooting an animal that wasn't attacking you is just fucked up, no matter what your reason is. Assholes.

    Basar on
    i live in a country with a batshit crazy president and no, english is not my first language

  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    thirty-two pounds, though.

    that's a shitload of weed. and he doesn't know how they got there? i don't think people just throw away that much drugs. my question is how did the cops know what was in the unopened package?

    Servo on
    newsigs.jpg
  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Well, it's PG county, I'm not shocked at the cops behavior, but being that it was in PG county I'm not shocked it was the mayor and that place is known for corruption.

    psychotix on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Servo wrote: »
    thirty-two pounds, though.

    that's a shitload of weed. and he doesn't know how they got there? i don't think people just throw away that much drugs. my question is how did the cops know what was in the unopened package?

    They had drug dogs checking packages and they had an officer deliver it to his house is what I heard on the news earlier.

    SkutSkut on
  • IreneDAdlerIreneDAdler Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Servo wrote: »
    thirty-two pounds, though.

    that's a shitload of weed. and he doesn't know how they got there? i don't think people just throw away that much drugs. my question is how did the cops know what was in the unopened package?

    Maybe they got an inside man that told them there was going to be a drop-off at the mayor's house. Maybe the guy who shot them is scared of dogs and was startled when he saw them in the house. Anyway, I don't really buy the mayor's wide-eyed innocent act. Poor dogs :(

    IreneDAdler on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Blurb today in the Express says that there were similar packages delivered to other houses in PG county that the residents didn't know about. It may be that someone is delivering these packages to unsuspecting people, and planning on picking them up off their doorsteps. And yeah, I feel it's kinda fucked up to think that they had to do this whole raid thing. He's the fucking mayor.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080602495.html?sid=ST2008080603533&pos=list

    It begs the question: if they were staking out the house waiting for him to come home and pick up the package, why didn't they just stop him before he went inside? They were obviously there, watching, so why wait for the guy to go in just so you can bust the door down? It appears that they shouldn't have done this in the first place.

    tsmvengy on
    steam_sig.png
  • IreneDAdlerIreneDAdler Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    Servo wrote: »
    thirty-two pounds, though.

    that's a shitload of weed. and he doesn't know how they got there? i don't think people just throw away that much drugs. my question is how did the cops know what was in the unopened package?

    They had drug dogs checking packages and they had an officer deliver it to his house is what I heard on the news earlier.

    It was actually addressed to him? If so, that sounds monumentally retarded.

    IreneDAdler on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • psychotixpsychotix __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    tsmvengy wrote: »
    Blurb today in the Express says that there were similar packages delivered to other houses in PG county that the residents didn't know about. It may be that someone is delivering these packages to unsuspecting people, and planning on picking them up off their doorsteps. And yeah, I feel it's kinda fucked up to think that they had to do this whole raid thing. He's the fucking mayor.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080602495.html?sid=ST2008080603533&pos=list

    Of PG county, which is a laughing stock.

    psychotix on
  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Isn't it SOP to shoot dogs during a raid? I'm not entirely sure though.

    Anyways, it seems overboard to SWAT the place when they knew who lived there and could be assured that a couple of cops showing up with a warrant would be fine. Did they SWAT raid the other houses that got the packages?

    kildy on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    Servo wrote: »
    thirty-two pounds, though.

    that's a shitload of weed. and he doesn't know how they got there? i don't think people just throw away that much drugs. my question is how did the cops know what was in the unopened package?

    They had drug dogs checking packages and they had an officer deliver it to his house is what I heard on the news earlier.

    It was actually addressed to him? If so, that sounds monumentally retarded.

    Well like stated above he wasn't the only one that got these packages, it was probably a dropoff and they planned on picking them up later.

    SkutSkut on
  • IreneDAdlerIreneDAdler Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    Servo wrote: »
    thirty-two pounds, though.

    that's a shitload of weed. and he doesn't know how they got there? i don't think people just throw away that much drugs. my question is how did the cops know what was in the unopened package?

    They had drug dogs checking packages and they had an officer deliver it to his house is what I heard on the news earlier.

    It was actually addressed to him? If so, that sounds monumentally retarded.

    Well like stated above he wasn't the only one that got these packages, it was probably a dropoff and they planned on picking them up later.

    That's possible. Though it still sounds kinda dumb on the part of the drug dealers. Don't you want your random dropoffs at more isolated locations? And clustering them all together in one neighborhood makes it way too obvious if you're trying to be discreet about the transportation of drugs.

    IreneDAdler on
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Who knows what they were planning really. Maybe the mayor did want drugs, though other people getting packages too is weird maybe there were drug dealers it's too soon to tell.

    SkutSkut on
  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    kildy wrote: »
    Isn't it SOP to shoot dogs during a raid? I'm not entirely sure though.

    Anyways, it seems overboard to SWAT the place when they knew who lived there and could be assured that a couple of cops showing up with a warrant would be fine. Did they SWAT raid the other houses that got the packages?

    When you're dealing with 32lbs of weed, you're going to end up with some heavy firepower. That's about $150,000 worth as a rough estimate. Wouldn't it make sense for the police to assume that if you've got that kind of stuff delivered to your door, you might have some heavy firepower of your own?

    FirstComradeStalin on
    Picture1-4.png
  • 3lwap03lwap0 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    kildy wrote: »
    Isn't it SOP to shoot dogs during a raid? I'm not entirely sure though.

    Anyways, it seems overboard to SWAT the place when they knew who lived there and could be assured that a couple of cops showing up with a warrant would be fine. Did they SWAT raid the other houses that got the packages?

    When you're dealing with 32lbs of weed, you're going to end up with some heavy firepower. That's about $150,000 worth as a rough estimate. Wouldn't it make sense for the police to assume that if you've got that kind of stuff delivered to your door, you might have some heavy firepower of your own?


    Not an unreasonable assumption. But if you live in the whitebread, rich part of town, and you're the mayor? Some discretion was warranted, for sure. As for the shooting of the dogs, I know SWAT teams do it when confronted by a big dog - say a mastiff, or by a breed with a reputation - Pitbulls, or German Shepards, etc., But a Lab isn't big or mean. It just don't make no sense.

    3lwap0 on
  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    3lwap0 wrote: »
    kildy wrote: »
    Isn't it SOP to shoot dogs during a raid? I'm not entirely sure though.

    Anyways, it seems overboard to SWAT the place when they knew who lived there and could be assured that a couple of cops showing up with a warrant would be fine. Did they SWAT raid the other houses that got the packages?

    When you're dealing with 32lbs of weed, you're going to end up with some heavy firepower. That's about $150,000 worth as a rough estimate. Wouldn't it make sense for the police to assume that if you've got that kind of stuff delivered to your door, you might have some heavy firepower of your own?


    Not an unreasonable assumption. But if you live in the whitebread, rich part of town, and you're the mayor? Some discretion was warranted, for sure. As for the shooting of the dogs, I know SWAT teams do it when confronted by a big dog - say a mastiff, or by a breed with a reputation - Pitbulls, or German Shepards, etc., But a Lab isn't big or mean. It just don't make no sense.

    plus it's only a town of 3000 people. it's so small he's a part-time mayor

    Servo on
    newsigs.jpg
  • BasarBasar IstanbulRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    3lwap0 wrote: »
    kildy wrote: »
    Isn't it SOP to shoot dogs during a raid? I'm not entirely sure though.

    Anyways, it seems overboard to SWAT the place when they knew who lived there and could be assured that a couple of cops showing up with a warrant would be fine. Did they SWAT raid the other houses that got the packages?

    When you're dealing with 32lbs of weed, you're going to end up with some heavy firepower. That's about $150,000 worth as a rough estimate. Wouldn't it make sense for the police to assume that if you've got that kind of stuff delivered to your door, you might have some heavy firepower of your own?


    Not an unreasonable assumption. But if you live in the whitebread, rich part of town, and you're the mayor? Some discretion was warranted, for sure. As for the shooting of the dogs, I know SWAT teams do it when confronted by a big dog - say a mastiff, or by a breed with a reputation - Pitbulls, or German Shepards, etc., But a Lab isn't big or mean. It just don't make no sense.

    And one of them dogs was running away, towards the back of the house to another room.

    Basar on
    i live in a country with a batshit crazy president and no, english is not my first language

  • ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    How many American mayors are in jail right now? I remember it being something ridiculous like 5%.

    Æthelred on
    pokes: 1505 8032 8399
  • edited August 2008
    This content has been removed.

  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    What, they couldn't get a couple of animal control people to get the dogs or something?

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    I thought about starting a thread on this subject as well when I read the story. The fact that innocent dogs were shot has me furious enough. I own a small Yorkshire Terrier so I sympathize with their owners. I hope the fuckers involved get sued, fired and maybe jail time for this.

    I support police work but not at the expense of stupidity.

    LondonBridge on
  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    What kind of dick of a drug dealer delivers thirty plus pounds of marijuana to someones front door?

    DasUberEdward on
    steam_sig.png
  • edited August 2008
    This content has been removed.

  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I thought about starting a thread on this subject as well when I read the story. The fact that innocent dogs were shot has me furious enough. I own a small Yorkshire Terrier so I sympathize with their owners. I hope the fuckers involved get sued, fired and maybe jail time for this.

    I support police work but not at the expense of stupidity.

    I'm more worried about, what's to stop them from doing this to other people?

    SkutSkut on
  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    I thought about starting a thread on this subject as well when I read the story. The fact that innocent dogs were shot has me furious enough. I own a small Yorkshire Terrier so I sympathize with their owners. I hope the fuckers involved get sued, fired and maybe jail time for this.

    I support police work but not at the expense of stupidity.

    I'm more worried about, what's to stop them from doing this to other people?

    It already happened and some 97 year old lady was shot, in Atlanta I think :|

    LondonBridge on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    I thought about starting a thread on this subject as well when I read the story. The fact that innocent dogs were shot has me furious enough. I own a small Yorkshire Terrier so I sympathize with their owners. I hope the fuckers involved get sued, fired and maybe jail time for this.

    I support police work but not at the expense of stupidity.

    I'm more worried about, what's to stop them from doing this to other people?

    It already happened and some 97 year old lady was shot, in Atlanta I think :|

    Exactly, so you could get a package tomorrow and the police bust your down down and shoot your dogs and handcuff you to whatever for 4 hours.

    SkutSkut on
  • Psychotic OnePsychotic One The Lord of No Pants Parts UnknownRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If it was me the officers responsible for shooting my dogs better kill me cause it would become my own personal crusade to ruin their careers and life in that city. Way too much force for the situation. Especially considering one of the dogs was running away. Not exactly the actions of an attack dog.

    Psychotic One on
  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    "A police SWAT team raided the home of the mayor in the Prince George's County town of Berwyn Heights on Tuesday, shooting and killing his two dogs, after he brought in a 32-pound package of marijuana that had been delivered to his doorstep, police said.

    As the police came in, Calvo said, they shot his 7-year-old black Labrador retriever, Payton, near the front door and then his 4-year-old dog, Chase, also a black Lab, as the dog ran into a back room. Walking through his house yesterday, Calvo pointed out a bullet hole in the drywall where the younger dog had been shot.

    "You can't tell me the chief of police of a municipality wouldn't have been able to knock on the door of the mayor of that municipality, gain his confidence and enter the residence," Murphy said. "It would not have been a necessity to shoot and kill this man's dogs.""

    Just some snippets from the article. Really fucked up stuff there, pretty sure there's some laws broken as well, and shooting his dog as it ran away? really?

    Whole thing is here

    There's your motive.

    The idea of a cartel (which I think it's fair to call an organization of that size) mailing huge sums of drugs to random houses in order to make pickups is a pretty big stretch.

    TL DR on
  • edited August 2008
    This content has been removed.

  • LondonBridgeLondonBridge __BANNED USERS regular
    edited August 2008
    Come on now! I've watched enough Law & Order that whoever requests the warrant checks on who they are serving it too. Didn't they have any idea it was a town mayor or if even the resident had a criminal history?!? Fucking ridiculous. It's an abuse of power and nothing more.

    LondonBridge on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If some dick SWAT team killed my dogs they would honestly have to restrain me from trying to get my shotgun and shooting them back.

    Which is entirely irrational but I know how sentimental I am about my pets.

    And no, I'd never actually get a shot off before police shot me down. I'm no Internet Tough Guy.

    Kagera on
    My neck, my back, my FUPA and my crack.
  • AdrienAdrien Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    SkutSkut wrote: »
    I thought about starting a thread on this subject as well when I read the story. The fact that innocent dogs were shot has me furious enough. I own a small Yorkshire Terrier so I sympathize with their owners. I hope the fuckers involved get sued, fired and maybe jail time for this.

    I support police work but not at the expense of stupidity.

    I'm more worried about, what's to stop them from doing this to other people?

    It already happened and some 97 year old lady was shot, in Atlanta I think :|

    Actually, nationwide over the last ten to fifteen years this has happened kind of a lot. Not quite "I'm realistically worried about it happening to me" lot, but enough that I think it warrants real concern. And the lady in Atlanta was the one I was referring to in my other post. But she's hardly the first to be killed in a SWAT raid. She's not even the first to be mistakenly killed in a SWAT raid.

    There have been multiple "oops, wrong house" incidents, for instance. Including some fatal ones.

    Basically, using SWAT to serve (relatively) routine drug warrants puts a lot of lives in danger (including those who are "actually" innocent, in addition to the rest that are supposedly presumed innocent) often for the sole purpose of preserving evidence. I'm not sure if a higher conviction rate on drug crimes is really worth non-violent offenders (or completely innocent bystanders) winding up dead. Or dogs, of course.

    Let's not forget SWAT members getting killed. By innocent civilians.

    Adrien on
    tmkm.jpg
  • CryogenCryogen Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I hate to go against the grain here, but is there another source confirming that the second dog was running away? i mean, the article states:
    As the police came in, Calvo said, they shot his 7-year-old black Labrador retriever, Payton, near the front door and then his 4-year-old dog, Chase, also a black Lab, as the dog ran into a back room. Walking through his house yesterday, Calvo pointed out a bullet hole in the drywall where the younger dog had been shot.

    But wasnt he upstairs getting changed at the time? Was there another witness to confirm the dog was in fact running away?

    Cryogen on
  • edited August 2008
    This content has been removed.

  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Well the drug war is a huge source of revenue and the expansion of executive power, and you've got to spend all of it somewhere. Special Weapons and Tactics units employed regularly and needlessly serves this purpose well.

    TL DR on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Cryogen wrote: »
    I hate to go against the grain here, but is there another source confirming that the second dog was running away? i mean, the article states:
    As the police came in, Calvo said, they shot his 7-year-old black Labrador retriever, Payton, near the front door and then his 4-year-old dog, Chase, also a black Lab, as the dog ran into a back room. Walking through his house yesterday, Calvo pointed out a bullet hole in the drywall where the younger dog had been shot.

    But wasnt he upstairs getting changed at the time? Was there another witness to confirm the dog was in fact running away?

    Well he could've asked the officers why they shot his dogs, or his wife/mother in law saw it.

    What I want to know is why just the mayor? It's been confirmed other houses got similar packages.

    SkutSkut on
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    AngelHedgie on
    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum / Steam: noxaeternum
  • SchrodingerSchrodinger Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sheriff Michael Jackson (D) has not returned several messages about the case. Sgt. Mario Ellis, a Sheriff's Office spokesman, said last Wednesday that deputies regretted shooting the dogs but that they had felt threatened by them. He has not returned calls since.

    Ouch.

    Edit: Or should I say... "Ow!"

    Schrodinger on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008

    That just makes everything worse really.

    SkutSkut on
  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    AngelHedgie on
    XBL: Nox Aeternum / PSN: NoxAeternum / NN:NoxAeternum / Steam: noxaeternum
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
    edited August 2008

    Wow, just wow.

    "Neither he nor Sheriff Michael A. Jackson apologized for the raid, which they said was conducted responsibly, given what deputies and officers knew at the time."

    SkutSkut on
Sign In or Register to comment.