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More Metroid, more No More Heroes, more Mario.
The DS though gets more love than my PSP, simply because it has games that appeal to me more. PSP is by no means bad, but the DS has more unique stuff on it. So much love to Nintendo for that, but I'm still deciding on the Wii, mainly because of the backlog I have on my PC PS3 and 360.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Children enjoy candy. Children are dumb, but candy is still delicious and is still my answer to the question "what is delicious."
Random question. Where did you come up with your username?
Children don't enjoy you. Or at least don't reciprocate.
2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
Instead of bitching though, I just sold it for a profit.
Well I would hope they aren't reciprocating. They're children you pervert.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Quit your crying and sell it then you whiny bitch.
Stop being sensible.
See despite being really excited about the PSP waiting before purchase meant that I realised it has only 2 games I want, so whilst I first thought about just never mentioning that fact, leaving the PSP threads alone and just playing my DS, I see now that I should have been making threads about how abandoned sony's made me feel right now.
2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
Good, I was worried I might be being subtle.
2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
That said, I have to ask, if you wanted a system with games that appeal to you, why didn't you just wait until all three systems had established enough of a library to make a good choice for the money, and then buy it, instead of buying one on blind faith?
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It's the third parties you should all be upset with.
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Frankly, I revel in it. I purchase Nintendo systems and Nintendo games. I don't finish half of these games, but I enjoy them while I play them. I go back to them years later - sometimes I finish them, sometimes I don't.
I have the odd third party title for Nintendo systems - but they truly are rare in my collection.
Will I buy the next Nintendo system? Absolutely. The only thing I could lament at this point is that I don't know what the titles of Un-named Mario, Zelda and Metroid games that are certainly being worked on right now and will be announced to ship in 2009 but pushed back until 2010 will be.
Know what I don't get a lot of use out of? My Starfrit Apple Peeler. Man, that thing gathers dust - and I don't peel nearly the quantity of apples that I thought I would.
People are all.. "We want more games, Nintendo!" So Nintendo's all... "OK, here's your Zelda, your Super Mario Galaxy, your Smash Bros, your Metroid, your Super PM, your Mario Kart, your Fire Emblem, your Strikers, your Battalion Wars." Then people are all... "Yay! Woo! Yay!...." Then shortly thereafter people are all.. "WHERE ARE TEH GAEMZ NINTNDO ABNDANDONED ME"
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Hey people, look at it this way:
Wii sports. Wii Play. Mario. Smash Bros. A fuckton more people instantly can recognize these titles more than they can GRID, or Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
Why? Because Nintendo totally shook things the fuck up. They went where no one went before. They disrupted the fuck out of the market.
But that's not what everyone sees. As judged by this OP, and the opinion of people who complain about the Wii see, the Wii is successful because it's "Kiddie" and "Casual". And because it sells like there's no tomorrow, developers see this and make a fuckton of kiddie and casual games for the Wii.
It's not a problem with the Wii that there's a lot of shovelware, it's third parties being dumb. And it's not Nintendo's fault that third party non-shovelware titles don't sell well on the Wii, it's Ubisofts fault for not advertising No More Heroes at all, or Sega's fault for making Alien Syndrome a bad game, or Midways fault for making Cruis'n worse than in Arcades, or Activisions fault for making Barbie: The Island Princess or whoevers fault for saying "Third party and hardcore games don't sell on the Wii, so we'll release a cheap, poor game and not put any funding into advertising so the cost is low then blame it on some mystical force keeping it from selling".
And the Wii doesn't even have that bad of a library.
Super Mario Galaxy, MP3, No More Heroes, Super smash bros. Brawl, TP, Wii Sports. And this is just off the top of my head what I still play reasonably often.
But hey, Super Mario Galaxy is only the 2nd highest ranked game in history. So I guess really there's nothing good on the console.
*Insert anecdotal evidence to the contrary that proves nothing here*
Cooking Mamma is all kinds of fun, even if you're all grown up and stuff.
More precise controls would be a godsend.
Doesn't mean Wii is a bad console, it mean's that Wii and 360 have different audiences. Plus, I don't take anecdotal evidence as evidence very often.
I like 360 when I get on XBL and fuck around. But if my friends ever come over I'm putting my xbox away and pulling out the Wii for all shit loads of fun.
EDIT: The second bit wasn't evidence, but rather my experience.
Interesting, when I looked at NPD it showed positive numbers for the Wii, not negative 8.
But no, your anecdotal evidence is probably worth something.
I like the Wii the least of all this generation's consoles but also play it the most.
That was before E3, my gamble paid off :P
You really think that Microsoft or Sony care more about what comes out on their console?
Or is it just that the Wii is so much more successful than the other console companies with such a more diverse demographic that it gets more shovelware?
I just hope that after gaming becomes pop culture completely, it will die soon thereafter and be revitalized to what it once was.
The only reasons you don't see more shovelware games on the 360 is the cost of making shovelware games for the 360 is more expensive than the cost of making shovelware games for the Wii and many games that might be released as shovelware titles are put on XBLA.
Then you are wrong.
Flat out wrong.
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Because nothing good has come from Novels, Films, Theater, Music, or Visual Art being parts of "pop culture", right?
Children are much more likely to be able to convince their parents to buy a game while at the store than online.
By making their console technically inferior and controlled using a non-standard input device, Nintendo made it much harder for third party developers to properly port games over to their system.
Nintendo is also intentionally marketing their console to a much more casual demographic that buys less games and does not tend to buy the hardcore games that most third party developers are accustomed to creating. Furthermore, they're releasing quite a few first party titles, more than usual, including mediocre "Wii ____" ones that casual gamers gobble up and mostly seem to be content with.
So tell me, what incentive do third party developers have to focus on the Wii?
Nintendo is making a killing off this strategy, undeniably. I'd argue that they're doing it knowingly at the expense of third party developers and hardcore gamers. And that's fine, they're a business, but we hardcore gamers don't have to like it.
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I wanted it when it came out but there were some other games I wanted more.
I think the reason the Wii still works for me (and the 360 and DS) is because I wait until I finished with or desperately feel the need to play a new game before I buy one. If this gaming philosophy is not yours, you may need a number of consoles to be really a happy gamer. I feel like if I owned only a single of the three consoles I mentioned, I would feel this resentment toward them. But since I switch between DS, Wii, 360 and PC I never get all that annoyed. edited for pic inclusion.
Yeah, heaven forbid your little niche hobby becomes pop culture, and enjoyed by many.
It's people like you that makes gaming the social stigma it is today.
You're the gaming equivalent of a music snob, who gives up on a band the very moment they get noticed by some people.
Gaming isn't bollywood. It doesn't have to make the same film for the same people forever. And just because they've started making games that your narrow appreciation doesn't encompass doesn't mean they've abandoned you. And that doesn't mean your favourite geeky game is going to die.
Jesus Fuck.
2009 is a year of Updates - one every Monday. Hopefully. xx
For many devs/pubs, it costs about $8M to make a Wii game. Whereas it costs about $15M to make a 360 game, and a few million to port it or bring it concurrently to the PS3.
The Wii installed base is at about 29M right now, worldwide, and the 360 plus PS3 installed base sits at about 32M.
Incentive enough?
$8M to sell to potentially 29M people, or $16+M to sell to potentially 32M people?
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Their games sell on the Wii, and the Wii is looking like it will be the market leader with many people thinking that it will have at least 50 percent of console sales this gen.