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Edgeymacate me: Blu-Ray

Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
So, I'm currently in the phase where I'm spending the majority of my time not playing WoW and, instead, furiously pouring over Sony.com and other websites attempting to amass as much information as possible about the things I'm going to buy in the near future.

So, I've pretty much decided that I'm going all-Sony, because of the way their products interface with each other. I'm going to get a Sony HD camcorder (AVCHD), a new Bravia flatscreen, a new receiver with HDMI and perhaps a Blu-Ray disc player.

My question is about the Blu-Ray player. I was reading the specs on the Sony website, and their players list (under compatibility) the following:

BD-R/RE Playback YES (only BDMV)

I checked out BDMV and found out that it's basically the format for Blu-Ray movies, like VIDEO_TS and .vob files are for DVD.

Does this mean that I can ONLY play BD-R/RE discs if they're burned in the Blu-Ray movie format, or can I, say, fill up a BD-R disc with movies (in .mts format) straight from the camcorder? Does that also mean that I wouldn't be able to, for example, put all my personal photos (in excess of 20 gigs over 10 years) on a Blu-Ray disc and view them using the player? What about DivX compatibility?

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If you're planning on going all-Sony, just get the PS3 and be done with it. It plays Blu-rays, DVDs, divx, photos, etc. It can stream a lot from a PC, too.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Why don't you just get a PS3 and not worry about all that?

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Isn't the PS3 loud?

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Isn't the PS3 loud?

    No, you're thinking of the 360. It's very quiet, even when playing games.

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  • ToefooToefoo Los Angeles, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I also highly recommend the PS3, because if you think about it, you're getting WAY more for your money. Blu-ray players themselves are still around $200-500 right now. Depending on the bundle, you could get a PS3 for that much which will also let you stream media from your computer and most importantly, play games on it.

    I have no clue why anyone would buy a standalone player right now, it just doesn't seem feasible considering the PS3.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The noise thing will only happen if you cram the PS3 somewhere that blocks the vents.

    As far as stand alone Bluray players go, they're just not there yet.

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hmm, I just read that the PS3 has no infrared remote sensor. Requiring a 2nd remote could be a definite deal breaker in that regard...

    Edit: Nevermind, looks like someone at Nyko already addressed this serious flaw.

    What's the hard drive used for in these things? Can a PS3 be used to view, say, discs (Blu-Ray or DVD) from a different Region? I live in Germany, but have many region 1 DVDs. I have a region-free DVD player which I can keep, but I'd actually kind of like to get rid of the thing.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    What's the hard drive used for in these things? Can a PS3 be used to view, say, discs (Blu-Ray or DVD) from a different Region? I live in Germany, but have many region 1 DVDs. I have a region-free DVD player which I can keep, but I'd actually kind of like to get rid of the thing.

    Not without teh hackery.

    Honestly, there's not that that much benefit in going all-Sony since all that stuff you listed interfaces fine even when they're made by different manufacturers. I'd spend some time shopping around for the best price/features.

    Also, never ever buy a game system unless there are games out now that you absolutely have to play, etc.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I don't think there are any blu-ray discs that have region encoding. The spec supports it but no one's been using it. There might be a few cases out there, but it's remarkably low.

    that doesn't solve the DVD problem, but it's a non-issue for BD.

    The PS3 fans kick on if the room is hot. If the room is above 80F or so, the PS3 will probably turn its fans on. Otherwise, it's nice & quiet.

    I will also second (third?) the fact that going all-sony isn't really worthwhile. Yes, the Bravias are nice TVs, but receivers? The Onkyo 605 is better than receivers twice its price. Camcorders? Sony does some OK stuff, but Panasonic and others make much better camcorders. I paid the "sony tax" on a camcorder which was nice at the time because it had a touchscreen menu. Of course, 2 years after owning it (and not filming that much) it decides to die on my wedding day. I've not had much love for Sony electronics after that point.

    The PS3 is an exception to the ire I level at most Sony products, though. It's an exceptional Blu-Ray player, it's one of the best DVD upscalers out there, it comes with built-in wireless, built-in storage, and, hey, it even plays a few video games. It uses boring ol' USB for ports, regular wireless, regular HDMI, regular bluetooth. For once, Sony actually used common standards instead of coming up with their own crazy, proprietary specs, and for that I will applaud the PS3.

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  • ScrubletScrublet Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    Hmm, I just read that the PS3 has no infrared remote sensor. Requiring a 2nd remote could be a definite deal breaker in that regard...

    Edit: Nevermind, looks like someone at Nyko already addressed this serious flaw.

    What's the hard drive used for in these things? Can a PS3 be used to view, say, discs (Blu-Ray or DVD) from a different Region? I live in Germany, but have many region 1 DVDs. I have a region-free DVD player which I can keep, but I'd actually kind of like to get rid of the thing.

    The PS3 hard drive is a standard 2.5" drive. As long as you don't buy one with a weird physical attachment or something, you can buy as big as you want.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Scrublet wrote: »

    The PS3 hard drive is a standard 2.5" drive. As long as you don't buy one with a weird physical attachment or something, you can buy as big as you want.

    Rumor has it you wanna stick with 5400rpm drives because the faster ones don't have enough ventilation for the heat they generate.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Scrublet wrote: »

    The PS3 hard drive is a standard 2.5" drive. As long as you don't buy one with a weird physical attachment or something, you can buy as big as you want.

    Just to save someone the possible heartache if they drop money on any ol' 2.5" drive, it does need to be a SATA 2.5" drive.

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  • SaarSaar Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    To chime in on the remote front...

    I bought the IR receiver from Schmartz (now schmartstuff.com) last November to use with my Harmony remote. It's neat, but honestly the PS3 controller is just easier to use when navigating menus.

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Also, never ever buy a game system unless there are games out now that you absolutely have to play, etc.

    the ps3 is a rare exception to this because, while it's probably not the norm, i could imagine someone who used all features but the video games would still get their money's worth out of it as a media centre

    consider that you're getting a ridiculous subsidy (via the console war) on a system that was (perhaps mistakenly) stuffed with a vast number of home entertainment features. it plays videos brilliantly, you can use it to access your music in a heap of ways, it's a fantastic photo viewer - and for futureproofing, it's the best way to guarantee you'll get spec updates as quickly as possible.

    which, while i don't have personal experience playing say .jpeg files from a blu-ray, is why you're best to go with a ps3: though it's unlikely to be possible at the moment, once blu-ray takes hold as a standard storage medium and people have the need for it, it's quite possible the feature will be included in one of the many firmware patches

    also, there are certainly blu-ray discs with enforced region codes: check out this site for a comprehesive list. be careful with fox films in particular. tough luck about the dvds, though, the ps3 is an incredible upscaler but you'll only be able to watch dvds from the console's native region

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  • ToefooToefoo Los Angeles, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I still don't understand why its being downplayed for its gaming abilities. Most of the AAA titles nowadays are on both 360 and PS3, and there are plenty of exclusives that will be coming out this year and next. Regardless, its an incredible Blu-ray player/networking tool/DVD-upscaler/image viewer as everyone else has mentioned. The gaming is a plus, and the PS3 will have at least a few games you'll want to play I'm sure.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Anyone else wish they could get their PS3/360/etc. in a 19" standard width case, so as to sit nice with the rest of your audio/video components?

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I sorta do, but I'm also sorta glad they don't because otherwise people would be tempted to stack things on top of it possibly messing with its ability to radiate heat.

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  • ToefooToefoo Los Angeles, CARegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm sorry to segway, but I keep waiting for Captain Murphy's head to reach the borders of his avatar...DAMN, seems so close.

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  • MushroomStickMushroomStick Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    I sorta do, but I'm also sorta glad they don't because otherwise people would be tempted to stack things on top of it possibly messing with its ability to radiate heat.

    Rack width stuff tends to have feet on them that keep space between components so you can stack them.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Toefoo wrote: »
    I still don't understand why its being downplayed for its gaming abilities. Most of the AAA titles nowadays are on both 360 and PS3, and there are plenty of exclusives that will be coming out this year and next. Regardless, its an incredible Blu-ray player/networking tool/DVD-upscaler/image viewer as everyone else has mentioned. The gaming is a plus, and the PS3 will have at least a few games you'll want to play I'm sure.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm not slagging the game selection. Stopping for a moment and making sure the current game selection is really appealing to you standard advice I'd give to anyone buying any game system. Way too many people buy on excitement/potential and get let down.

    That said, yeah, if you're planning on playing Blu-rays regularly that's a good point in its favor.

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The PS3 also has the added benefit of being easily updated for the latest Blu-ray standards and features. I'd also recommend getting the Bluetooth PS3 remote. Once you realize you don't need to point it at the system, it becomes that much more awesome, and it's a lot easier to deal with for movies, etc than the PS3 controller.

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    embrik wrote: »
    The PS3 also has the added benefit of being easily updated for the latest Blu-ray standards and features. I'd also recommend getting the Bluetooth PS3 remote. Once you realize you don't need to point it at the system, it becomes that much more awesome, and it's a lot easier to deal with for movies, etc than the PS3 controller.
    My stepfather owns a PS3. Dude is over 60, and he bought a PS3. After checking out his setup, I have to say, I can't fault his choice. He has a couple casual type games, and it sees some use as a game system, but he's using it almost exclusively as a Blu-ray player and media extender, and it works quite well in both regards. I'll definitely second the advice about the remote, I found controlling Blu-Ray or media playback from the controller to be confusing. I imagine you'd get used to it, but I prefer to have a remote that anyone can pick up and use, so I don't have to do it for them.

    I know others have said it, but man... all Sony? Well, to each their own, but in terms of components of a home theater that Sony makes better, it's pretty much just displays. Even then, I'd argue you can get almost as good quality for significantly less money. For other components, I would strongly recommend mixing brands. Onkyo makes fantastic receivers, thought I have a Yamaha receiver I'm really happy with because Onkyo doesn't distribute in Canada, or at least didn't when I was buying. I really don't think you'd go wrong with a Bravia TV, a PS3, and an Onkyo or Yamaha receiver.

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  • embrikembrik Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    embrik wrote: »
    The PS3 also has the added benefit of being easily updated for the latest Blu-ray standards and features. I'd also recommend getting the Bluetooth PS3 remote. Once you realize you don't need to point it at the system, it becomes that much more awesome, and it's a lot easier to deal with for movies, etc than the PS3 controller.
    My stepfather owns a PS3. Dude is over 60, and he bought a PS3. After checking out his setup, I have to say, I can't fault his choice. He has a couple casual type games, and it sees some use as a game system, but he's using it almost exclusively as a Blu-ray player and media extender, and it works quite well in both regards. I'll definitely second the advice about the remote, I found controlling Blu-Ray or media playback from the controller to be confusing. I imagine you'd get used to it, but I prefer to have a remote that anyone can pick up and use, so I don't have to do it for them.

    I know others have said it, but man... all Sony? Well, to each their own, but in terms of components of a home theater that Sony makes better, it's pretty much just displays. Even then, I'd argue you can get almost as good quality for significantly less money. For other components, I would strongly recommend mixing brands. Onkyo makes fantastic receivers, thought I have a Yamaha receiver I'm really happy with because Onkyo doesn't distribute in Canada, or at least didn't when I was buying. I really don't think you'd go wrong with a Bravia TV, a PS3, and an Onkyo or Yamaha receiver.

    I totally agree. I've got an Onkyo receiver, a Sharp Aquos TV, PS3, 360, DirecTV HDDVR, and Paradigm speakers. Nothing wrong with mixing and matching to get quality.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited August 2008
    Ditto the advice to buy a PS3 if you want a BD player right now. Ditto the Bravia love (I have one, and it's <3<3<3). And ditto the bit about not bothering with Sony receivers. They're not shit or anything, but you can get much nicer for the same price or cheaper. Depending on your budget, check out Yamaha, Onkyo, and Marantz.

    (For reference: I have a Sony Bravia A3000, PS3, 8 year old Yamaha receiver that still serves me well, and a mix of Paradigm and Boston Acoustics speakers. Definitely mix and match your components, because no company makes everything the best.)

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sony makes some decent HT receivers. The OP might have a good reason to go all Sony (employee discount, credit card points redeem-ability, coupons/credits to sonystore). I was looking to upgrade my RX-V730 (Yamaha) about 6 months ago and flirted with getting a Sony STR-DG910 (I think the 920 is the current version of that box). AVSforum has tons of reviews and comparisons. Choose the receiver that does all the upconversion, has the video passthroughs, has all the inputs you need, does any decoding you might require of it; fulfill all that over holding to any particular brand. You'll likely invest in a universal remote anyways, so you don't need 3 remotes to watch TV or a movie, or so the S.O. or guests can also use your system.

    Decided to wait on the receiver upgrade, as I just got an AVCHD (Canon) camcorder. I think the PS3 is supposed to be able to play the files directly off the SDHC card, but I've not yet tried this.

    If you bought a Sony TV and a Sony Receiver, I'd think both remotes ought to be able to control both devices to some extent, but since I mix component makes often I don't know this from personal experience. The PS3 controller is a little fiddly for movie playback, but I love not needing line of sight.

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Just to put this out there as well, the PS3 is region free. The only issues is PAL vs NTSC. The PAL PS3s can play NTSC as well, but the NTSC PS3s are NTSC only. With Blu-ray its not a problem.

    Also, Sony's Bravia TV series have the best color right now so you can't go wrong with them. Just research the features/functions before you buy.

    As for HDMI. gon't fall into the Monster cable trap. Get an HDMI cable from Monoprice or Bluejeans Cable if you want higher quality at a good price.

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Just to put this out there as well, the PS3 is region free. The only issues is PAL vs NTSC. The PAL PS3s can play NTSC as well, but the NTSC PS3s are NTSC only. With Blu-ray its not a problem.

    Also, Sony's Bravia TV series have the best color right now so you can't go wrong with them. Just research the features/functions before you buy.

    As for HDMI. gon't fall into the Monster cable trap. Get an HDMI cable from Monoprice or Bluejeans Cable if you want higher quality at a good price.

    I used to work at Best Buy, I know all about the Monster cable fallacy.

    But re: region free... Blu-Ray region free or Blu-Ray/DVD region free? I imagine only Blu-Ray. If so, I'm gettin' me a PAL version fo' sho.

    Edit: Oh, region-free games, not movies. Still, NTSC machines can't display PAL, but PAL can do both, so I'm still gettin' me a PAL version

    Re: Bluetooth remote
    The idea of needing two remotes, one universal Logitech Harmony to control everything else and one to control the Blu-Ray player, absolutely grinds my gears. In the world of digital HD goodness, having anything more than 1 remote control is heresy, so I'll get one of the IR USB dongles and program the codes into my universal remote. I'm sitting in front of my TV when I watch it, and I don't carry the remote around with me, so having to point the remote at the setup is a minute detail in comparison to needing to juggle remotes to pause/change volume.

    I hear what you guys are saying about my "all Sony" idea. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting some kind of miracle to occur as soon as I get more than 4 Sony devices connected to one another.

    My idea was initially the TV/Camcorder thing, since the camcorder I want records in x.v. Color, which the Bravias support. Other brands support it too, but I've had A/V equipment from other brands and have been consistently disappointed. All the Sony stuff I've ever bought has served me well, even the venerable Trinitron TV I used to have.

    Then I thought to myself, if I'm going to get a new TV and camcorder, I might as well look at a receiver with HDMI to connect it all, so I thought about replacing my Sony (which has done me nothing but good over the past 4 years) with another Sony. I looked into Onkyo, but I found that the Onkyo model that had the number of inputs/outputs that I wanted cost exactly the same as the Sony, so I really don't see a reason to go away from my first choice. I then thought about Blu-Ray, and people here recommended the PS3 as a player, so hence all-Sony.

    I'm not one of those guys that believes what the Best Buy "specialists" say (Monster cable = better picture quality, leprechauns shit gold bricks in your house if you have all Sony gear, etc.. etc..), I just looked at it from a point where I asked myself which brands have I hated (JVC/Panasonic and others) and which brands have been good to me (Sony). I decided to stop fuckin' around and do it right this time.

    Edit: Oh yes, there IS actually a benefit to having all Sony gear, and that's "Bravia Sync," where the TV remote can control other Sony equipment via HDMI. With my setup, the camcorder would be controllable with the TV remote.

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  • GihgehlsGihgehls Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ya, but how are you going to play your Minidiscs?

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  • vonPoonBurGervonPoonBurGer Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Locust76 wrote: »
    I looked into Onkyo, but I found that the Onkyo model that had the number of inputs/outputs that I wanted cost exactly the same as the Sony, so I really don't see a reason to go away from my first choice.
    I'd compare reviews between the two just to be safe. I've seen some match-ups between equivalent Onkyo and Sony models go to the Onkyo unit in pretty convincing fashion. It kind of depends which Sony unit you're looking at though. I think it's mostly the lower-end Sony receivers that tend to be a bit meh, so if you had to shop up to get all the I/O you need, it's probably a non-issue.

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  • Locust76Locust76 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Gihgehls wrote: »
    Ya, but how are you going to play your Minidiscs?

    Thankfully I never got into the black voodoo magic that was MiniDisc/Digital Audio Tape :lol:

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