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New PSP revision (PSP-3000) adds better LCD with less ghosting(?), built-in mic

LunkerLunker Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Games and Technology
OMG DUAL ANALOG STICKS????

Of course not, and you should feel bad for even thinking of it.

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As part of Sony's conference at Leipzig, they confirmed rumors of the PSP-3000, which is an incremental upgrade to the 2000 (aka the Slim and Light). The only major differences are a built-in mic (ostensibly for Skype usage and online-game chatting) and, according to the PR, "a new LCD screen with a wider color gamut and anti-reflection technology." This model will also have the benefit of delaying homebrew coders for maybe two or three weeks! [strike]I don't think it'll quell anyone's complaints about screen ghosting, though.[/strike] It'll be the same price as the existing PSP, so standalone will be $169 and it'll come in a few different Entertainment Packs for $199. It looks almost exactly the same, as you can see for yourself.

UPDATE: A day after this was announced, a report from Engadget Japan is now saying that one of the additional features of the new screen is the response time is twice as fast, which should remove a lot of the ghosting problems. I'm hesitant to confirm this 100 percent, but it seems pretty solid to me. Ghosting is one of people's main complaints with the system, so this alone could convince a lot of people to upgrade or jump in.

Also hidden inside the release is confirmation that Everyday Shooter is heading to PSP. I believe the game was hinted briefly at E3, but now it's definitely coming—because one of the Entertainment Packs for the new PSP that ships in November is a bundle with a 4GB memory stick and a voucher to download Everyday Shooter from PSN. As a fan of all things twin-stick-shmuppy, I'm stoked. And as an aside:
And analog acolytes take heed, “ES” creator Jonathan Mak told me long ago that his game is really not meant to be played with twin sticks but with two sets of digital buttons, one set under each thumb. The PSP offers that set-up perfectly.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pretty sure 4.x firmware is already cracked on PSP.

    That 4GB bundle is looking pretty sweet.

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  • NailbunnyPDNailbunnyPD Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pretty sure 4.x firmware is already cracked on PSP.

    The firmware cracking is easy. Getting the firmware onto the new hardware would pose the problem, if at all.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Pretty sure 4.x firmware is already cracked on PSP.

    The firmware cracking is easy. Getting the firmware onto the new hardware would pose the problem, if at all.

    Yeah, the hardware jump is the biggest hurdle, but given how crazy and entrenched the homebrew scene is with the PSP I don't see it as being insurmountable.

    Anyway, I updated the OP with rather exciting news; some outlets are reporting that the new LCD screen will indeed increase response time—it's twice as fast, which should mean much less ghosting. There's nothing in the Western PR about this, but if this becomes true I think a lot more people will be interested.

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I've never noticed any real problem with ghosting on my PSP lite.

    This hardware revision is for one purpose and one purpose only: To make the Pandora's Battery obsolete.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I've never noticed any real problem with ghosting on my PSP lite.

    This hardware revision is for one purpose and one purpose only: To make the Pandora's Battery obsolete.

    I noticed the ghosting right away when I first got my psp slim. However I quickly got used to it and hardly notice it anymore. I do like the idea of a brighter higher contrast screen however. I wonder if the upgrade will be worth losing custom firmware. (probably not)

    A second analog would be nice, but what I was realistically hoping for was a built in scaler chip so that games played on an HDTV would take up the full screen.

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  • h8b1llg8tsh8b1llg8ts Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    New PSP, almost 24hrs, and this is the 6th post. Does anyone really care about the PSP anymore?

    I, myself, did see the info and are not as intrested as I was when the SLIM came out. Will still probally get it because I'm a whore like that.

    I did dust my SLIM off and get SW: BF finally. I can thank Sony for that.

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  • eobeteobet 8-bit childhood SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm not going to care about the PSP until they remove that silly dwarfed CD (the machinery to run it must consume HEAPS of electricity relatively speaking, and for a hand held device, it's still HUGE) and instead sell games on SD cards or something.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Fuck you Sony. I just bought a 2000 like 6 months ago. And I owned a 1000 before that.

    Edit: But the big problem is that I can't recall the last time I bought a PSP game. It's been sitting with it's brethren on the shelf just collecting dust.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    eobet wrote: »
    I'm not going to care about the PSP until they remove that silly dwarfed CD (the machinery to run it must consume HEAPS of electricity relatively speaking, and for a hand held device, it's still HUGE) and instead sell games on SD cards or something.

    Just install custom firmware and make iso images of your UMDs. I keep one UMD in the drive (Hot Shots Golf 2 currently) and the rest of my games I'm currently playing are on the memory stick. And depending on the game the UMD doesn't really eat up that much juice. (For example on Hot Shots you only have loading before each tournament/challenge, the rest of the time it spins down.)

    However for games like GTA where its constantly streaming the music off it is significant.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    greeble wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    I'm not going to care about the PSP until they remove that silly dwarfed CD (the machinery to run it must consume HEAPS of electricity relatively speaking, and for a hand held device, it's still HUGE) and instead sell games on SD cards or something.

    Just install custom firmware and make iso images of your UMDs. I keep one UMD in the drive (Hot Shots Golf 2 currently) and the rest of my games I'm currently playing are on the memory stick. And depending on the game the UMD doesn't really eat up that much juice. (For example on Hot Shots you only have loading before each tournament/challenge, the rest of the time it spins down.)

    However for games like GTA where its constantly streaming the music off it is significant.

    Really? I just use it as a storage place for a spare memory card.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hm...one of my big problems with buying a PSP was the thought that I'd have to spend extra to pick up a decent sized memory stick (since I would want to download games from the PSN, especially from the Japanese PSN). If the new bundle is a 4 gig memory card + a quality shmup (admittedly one that I already own on the PC, but portable is always nice) + a higher quality screen, then this could be the thing that pushes me over the edge.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I wonder if they fixed the shitty video out:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpWJnFHmKzQ

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  • RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Hm...one of my big problems with buying a PSP was the thought that I'd have to spend extra to pick up a decent sized memory stick (since I would want to download games from the PSN, especially from the Japanese PSN). If the new bundle is a 4 gig memory card + a quality shmup (admittedly one that I already own on the PC, but portable is always nice) + a higher quality screen, then this could be the thing that pushes me over the edge.

    The sony memory sticks are still more expensive than competitors but are not too bad in terms of cost / GB.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Deusfaux wrote:
    shitty video out
    greeble wrote:
    A second analog would be nice, but what I was realistically hoping for was a built in scaler chip so that games played on an HDTV would take up the full screen.

    Yeah that is what I meant by hoping for a scaler chip. I wouldn't be surprised if it was in there and just wasn't mentioned, who knows.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    New PSP, almost 24hrs, and this is the 6th post. Does anyone really care about the PSP anymore?

    *sniff*

    I'm a big handheld gamer, so considering my DS and PSP get roughly three times as much play as my home consoles, it still matters to me. It's like pulling teeth to get PSP discussion going that doesn't revolve around Monster Hunter, though. :(

    This really isn't a super-huge update (as much as the change the PSP-2000 brought, anyway), so I don't see myself springing for it.
    Hm...one of my big problems with buying a PSP was the thought that I'd have to spend extra to pick up a decent sized memory stick (since I would want to download games from the PSN, especially from the Japanese PSN). If the new bundle is a 4 gig memory card + a quality shmup (admittedly one that I already own on the PC, but portable is always nice) + a higher quality screen, then this could be the thing that pushes me over the edge.

    The sony memory sticks are still more expensive than competitors but are not too bad in terms of cost / GB.

    SanDisks are also excellent; I have a 4GB Lexar that was cheap at the time, and it works but the access speed is noticably slower. But I've seen 4GB Pro Duo sticks for around $40 to $50 pretty regularly nowadays (thanks, CAG!).

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited August 2008
    I suppose this pushes us closer to my dream world in which I can get a PSP and FFT: Lion War for under $160, so I support it.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Oh wow. So apparently the whole "increased glare reduction" thing wasn't just a talking point: On Famitsu, found on GAF:

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    That's the PSP-3000 on the bottom.

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  • IceBurnerIceBurner It's cold and there are penguins.Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I like how the feature also reduces glare on the plastic shell!

    Are we sure that's legit? They don't seem to be under the same lighting source.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    IceBurner wrote: »
    I like how the feature also reduces glare on the plastic shell!

    Are we sure that's legit? They don't seem to be under the same lighting source.

    Well, it's straight on the Famitsu domain, so unless they're purposefully trying to trick people I think it's legit. The link is above, here's the other pic:

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    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

    So if it's such a small difference, why does it bother you? In the case of the PS3 where the product line actually loses functionality over time, it's a terrible, terrible idea, but so far the shift from each of the meager three versions of the PSP has only added stuff. And you don't really lose out on functionality by not upgrading, unless for some godforsaken reason you want to Skype on the PSP.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Lunker wrote: »
    IceBurner wrote: »
    I like how the feature also reduces glare on the plastic shell!

    Are we sure that's legit? They don't seem to be under the same lighting source.

    Well, it's straight on the Famitsu domain, so unless they're purposefully trying to trick people I think it's legit. The link is above, here's the other pic:

    psp3000%20hikakuura.jpg
    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

    So if it's such a small difference, why does it bother you? In the case of the PS3 where the product line actually loses functionality over time, it's a terrible, terrible idea, but so far the shift from each of the meager three versions of the PSP has only added stuff. And you don't really lose out on functionality by not upgrading, unless for some godforsaken reason you want to Skype on the PSP.


    Money. I want a product that I won't have to continually upgrading over and over just for more, incremental addons - it needs to have longevity, and as you described it "loses functionality over time." I went from a DS to a DS Lite and it's lasted me forever. I dont want to buy a brand new 2000 and then realize I need a "newer" 3000 months later after release.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Money. I want a product that I won't have to continually upgrading over and over just for more, incremental addons - it needs to have longevity, and as you described it "loses functionality over time." I went from a DS to a DS Lite and it's lasted me forever. I dont want to buy a brand new 2000 and then realize I need a "newer" 3000 months later after release.

    This new model doesn't somehow magically make the older versions worse, man. It doesn't drain the screen power or make games stop working or anything. Most of the discussion I've seen revolves around "Man, this update doesn't really seem like it's worthwhile," but it might be enough to get newcomers to the system interested in picking one up. Unless you're just worried about the mental dissatisfaction of not having the "best version" of product X on the market.

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  • DeusfauxDeusfaux Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

    There were 4 versions of GBAs. 7 devices that play GBA games

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Whats this talk about analog sticks? The PSP doesn't even have ONE. It's got a nub.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

    There were 4 versions of GBAs. 7 devices that play GBA games

    DS =/= GBA

    I'm pretty sure the concensus is that GBA was meh. Aside from that though, the later GBA versions were different and unique enough to be separate releases. The new PSP releases seem too little in their incremental change for me to go "why would I upgrade?"

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

    There were 4 versions of GBAs. 7 devices that play GBA games

    DS =/= GBA

    I'm pretty sure the concensus is that GBA was a failure.

    :lol:

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Remember when Nintendo moved from the GBA to the GBASP and it was better in every way except no headphone jack. Good times.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited August 2008

    Money. I want a product that I won't have to continually upgrading over and over just for more, incremental addons - it needs to have longevity, and as you described it "loses functionality over time." I went from a DS to a DS Lite and it's lasted me forever. I dont want to buy a brand new 2000 and then realize I need a "newer" 3000 months later after release.

    I'm guessing you don't own many electronic devices then. Cell phones get a new version every, what, three months?

    If it's not a total obsoletion of the older console then I don't really see any reason at all to bitch about it.

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  • Desert_Eagle25Desert_Eagle25 Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Deusfaux wrote: »
    God, i hate how Sony releases like 10 versions of one product. Any time Nintendo releases an incremental change in their hand-helds it's atleast substantial and worth spending more money on. It was the difference between the DS and the DS Lite. Thats all we need.

    There were 4 versions of GBAs. 7 devices that play GBA games

    DS =/= GBA

    I'm pretty sure the concensus is that GBA was a failure.

    :lol:

    I went back and edited it before your post cause I realized how much I liked my GBA SP before I gave it off.

    DanHibiki wrote: »

    Money. I want a product that I won't have to continually upgrading over and over just for more, incremental addons - it needs to have longevity, and as you described it "loses functionality over time." I went from a DS to a DS Lite and it's lasted me forever. I dont want to buy a brand new 2000 and then realize I need a "newer" 3000 months later after release.

    I'm guessing you don't own many electronic devices then. Cell phones get a new version every, what, three months?

    If it's not a total obsoletion of the older console then I don't really see any reason at all to bitch about it.

    Yes, but agian you're missing my point about substantial change.

    I'm not against upgrades, that's fine. But atleast make it somewhat substantial and reasonable as to say "Oh yea, very nice." Changing a few things on the screen and then re-releasing it is meh in my opinion.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It's still bizarro statement of the day, Desert_Eagle25

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  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Skype on the PSP is not godforsaken you foon. I was able to make a free phone call to a friend in Germany and we talked for over an hour via wifi. That kind of shit is awesome and nobody can say anything to diminish it.

    Edit: That was at Lunker, I started the reply way before I posted it and ended up being way further along in the thread.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Can you use the 8gb and 16gb memory cards on the PSP?

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  • The_SpaniardThe_Spaniard It's never lupines Irvine, CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    BigDes wrote: »
    Can you use the 8gb and 16gb memory cards on the PSP?

    I know you can use the 8 now, and I believe 16 now as well, but not 100% sure on the 16.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    If you own a psp and the next revision isn't a substantial change, then why do you feel the need to upgrade?

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I just got a 2000 as a present, and I'm not bothered about the 3000 update. It just doesn't seem that much of a improvement, only the screen has seen an upgrade, and even then, it might be questionable.

    It's not like the 1000 to 2000 jump, that was a major leap. This is more like 2000 to... 2250 or something.

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  • EggyToastEggyToast Jersey CityRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    The screen isn't different, formfactor isn't different -- just a better screen and... wait, this is a phat>lite thing, isn't it?

    Doesn't everyone, uh, love the DS Lite?

    Of course, I still have a DS Phat (cos mine's black), but i'm happy that the change for the PSP doesn't make the older versions look like complete shit.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I don't care about the Mic as I only have one game that uses the damn thing, but I'd like to see some better scren comparison shots. I know the jump from the 1000 to the 2000 was supposed to be slightly better, but going by that image on the first page it seems that this is a massive jump.

    And I'm glad I saw that video, because I've been kicking around the idea of getting a set of a/v cables for months now--it's probably make me play the thing more.

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    EggyToast wrote: »
    The screen isn't different, formfactor isn't different -- just a better screen and... wait, this is a phat>lite thing, isn't it?

    Doesn't everyone, uh, love the DS Lite?

    Of course, I still have a DS Phat (cos mine's black), but i'm happy that the change for the PSP doesn't make the older versions look like complete shit.

    This isn't Phat -> Lite, this is GBA SP -> GBA SP with better backlight, or perhaps iPhone -> iPhone 3G. It's not really worth it for current owners to upgrade, but it's a nice attraction for newcomers. I was on the fence about picking up a PSP, but the new changes + the memory stick bundle are probably going to push me over the edge when it comes out.

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  • DelzhandDelzhand Registered User, Transition Team regular
    edited August 2008
    It's also an excuse to keep poorly selling hardware at the same price point.

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Sony really needs to do something about software rather than hardware.

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