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actionbutton.net is doing this manifesto thing (#25-5 live) it is a great list

BeckBeck Registered User regular
edited August 2008 in Games and Technology
THE ACTION BUTTON DOT NET MANIFESTO: A LIST OF THE TWENTY-FIVE BEST GAMES OF ALL-TIME

Things in this thread are black and white.

The list so far:

#25 Castlevania: Bloodlines
#24 Spartan: Total Warrior
#23 Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G
#22 Secret of Evermore
#21 Dragon Quest V
#20 Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter
#19 The Lost Vikings
#18 Metroid Prime
#17 Winning Eleven 7
#16 OutRun 2
#15 DOOM
#14 Ikaruga Alternate: Bangai-O Spirits
#13 Panzer Dragoon Zwei
#12 Katamari Damacy
#11 Shadow of the Colossus
#10 Metal Gear Solid 3
#9 Chrono Trigger
#8 Cave Story
#7 Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike David Caberera VS Heather Campbell
#6 Gears of War (This is his previous review with bonus paragraphs, if you haven't read actionbutton before, this is probably the best introduction to Tim Rogers available on the internet)
#5 Pac-Man Championship Edition (Bonus Paragraphs)
#4 ???
#3 ???
#2 ???
#1 ???

4 through 2 are expected wednesday, 1 a week after. (maybe sooner.)

I've been reading these as they come and they're great. I figured we should have a thread for it. Heather Campbell on Street Fighter III is spectacular.

So how do you guys feel about them.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Color me surprised/impressed by the inclusion of Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter. It was one of my favorite RPGs of last gen. Though some other posters (Hi, Vincent) will disagree.

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  • Flippy_DFlippy_D Digital Conquistador LondonRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    God dammit Gears of War is terrible.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    God dammit Flippy_D is so wrong

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    That 25-5 is all wrong. So wrong.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Top Anything Lists never end well.

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  • Flippy_DFlippy_D Digital Conquistador LondonRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    God dammit Flippy_D is so wrong

    I bet you think Halo is good too.
    Gyral wrote: »
    Top Anything Lists never end well.

    And yeah this'll probably get locked.

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  • taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    As soon as i saw spartan total warrior at #24 i was laughing too hard to read the rest of the list :lol:

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Oh, hey, a list which doesn't regurgitate the usual titles. Let's immediately disagree with it!

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  • BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Gyral wrote: »
    Color me surprised/impressed by the inclusion of Breath of Fire V: Dragon Quarter. It was one of my favorite RPGs of last gen. Though some other posters (Hi, Vincent) will disagree.

    I remember disliking it when it was released, but the review has made me think about playing it again. It did do a lot of interesting things, and I don't think I would be as disappointed by a non-traditional RPG this time around.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Gyral wrote: »
    Top Anything Lists never end well.

    Well, given Actionbutton.net's MO, the list is going to be especially incendiary. For better or worse (I'm not sure where I stand on them anymore), the site's writers have drastically different metrics for what makes games good and bad than pretty much every other site.

    I used to hate Tim Rogers, but on the other hand I've been reading a lot more Chuck Klosterman, so Rogers' stuff is fine to me so long as I'm not actually clicking the link to find out details about a specific video game.

    And I know knee-jerk reactions to the titles on the list kind of defeats the whole purpose, but any list that has both Lost Vikings and Pac-Man CE at least deserves a half-glance!

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  • DualEdgeDualEdge Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I'm going to call it right here: Orcarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII will be in the top 3 as they are in every list.

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  • tbloxhamtbloxham Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    A list which does not include a Civilization title is simply wrong.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    No Mario, Megaman, Zelda, Final Fantasy, Pokemon, Sonic, or Tetris. Which classic series won't make the list? Stay tuned for outrage?

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    DualEdge wrote: »
    I'm going to call it right here: Orcarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII will be in the top 3 as they are in every list.

    I am prepared to bet that you are wrong.

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  • DualEdgeDualEdge Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    DualEdge wrote: »
    I'm going to call it right here: Orcarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII will be in the top 3 as they are in every list.

    I am prepared to bet that you are wrong.

    I bet my bottle cap collection that you're assumption of my assumption is wrong.

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  • PeewiPeewi Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    DualEdge wrote: »
    Xagarath wrote: »
    DualEdge wrote: »
    I'm going to call it right here: Orcarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII will be in the top 3 as they are in every list.

    I am prepared to bet that you are wrong.

    I bet my bottle cap collection that you're assumption of my assumption is wrong.

    I don't read this website, but I think it's the kind of website that's not going to do that.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Surprise 5-1 list:

    5. Hulk
    4. Hulk
    3. Hulk
    2. Hulk
    1. Hulk

    ??

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  • mrflippymrflippy Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Flippy_D wrote: »
    God dammit Gears of War is terrible.

    They did a whole lot of things right with it.

    Also: I had a whole lot of fun with it.

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  • F-Zero_RacerF-Zero_Racer Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Come on. Honestly, how many "Top X games of all time" lists do we need?

    Jesus.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    DualEdge wrote: »
    I'm going to call it right here: Orcarina of Time or Final Fantasy VII will be in the top 3 as they are in every list.

    I am prepared to bet that you are wrong.

    I agree with Xagarath. Their choices so far seem to be intentionally non-traditional. Castlevania: Bloodlines over SOTN? No Final Fantasy, Mario, Zelda, Resident Evil, Half Life or Deus Ex (as of yet).
    Surprise 5-1 list:

    5. Hulk
    4. Hulk
    3. Hulk
    2. Hulk
    1. Hulk

    ??

    Which will be even more controversial as they'll rescind their choice of Pac-Man Championship Edition at #5. :)

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  • AkimboEGAkimboEG Mr. Fancypants Wears very fine pants indeedRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Single column white on black? Mein eyez, zey burn!

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  • GraviijaGraviija Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Monster Hunter? Breath of Fire: DQ? Spartan: Total Warrior?! And no Mario or Zelda?!

    That list is pretty crap.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Mother 3 is, however, possible, if I remember correctly.

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  • GimeCGimeC Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Xagarath wrote: »
    Mother 3 is, however, possible, if I remember correctly.

    Yeah, he loved it when he reviewed it before. It's probably in the top four.

    And it deserves it, too. Absolutely amazing game. Honestly, it'd make it in my top five, too.

    As for mario or zelda: At least a mario will probably be in the top four. SMG or SMB3, most likely. Zelda... honestly, if he doesn't have OOT on there, I don't have that much of a problem with his reasoning. It isn't my favorite zelda, and honestly most of the reason it was considered perfect was because it was the first of it's kind. The more action-adventures there are, the more flaws are apparent.

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  • TirionTirion Registered User new member
    edited August 2008
    I have played... four of these games.
    Come on. Honestly, how many "Top X games of all time" lists do we need?

    Jesus.
    Enough so that we can make the Top X lists of Top X games of all time list.
    I feel like a creepy e-stalker whenever I come here :P

    Knew this would get totp'd argh

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  • BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Come on. Honestly, how many "Top X games of all time" lists do we need?

    Jesus.

    You should actually read them. It's not so much of a top 25 games list as it is an excuse to post favorite games and talk about them.

    Okay well maybe not but the text really gives this shit weight.

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  • F-Zero_RacerF-Zero_Racer Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Beck wrote: »
    Come on. Honestly, how many "Top X games of all time" lists do we need?

    Jesus.

    You should actually read them. It's not so much of a top 25 games list as it is an excuse to post favorite games and talk about them.

    I know, but they always end horribly because you have people chiming in "Why isn't MY game on there!?!?" and then people start crying bias and how horrible the list maker is.

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  • BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Beck wrote: »
    Come on. Honestly, how many "Top X games of all time" lists do we need?

    Jesus.

    You should actually read them. It's not so much of a top 25 games list as it is an excuse to post favorite games and talk about them.

    I know, but they always end horribly because you have people chiming in "Why isn't MY game on there!?!?" and then people start crying bias and how horrible the list maker is.
    I agree, but I really hope this works out.

    It's been a long time since we had an actionbutton thread.

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  • shrikebtrshrikebtr Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Has anyone actually read their review of Spartan? I havn't played Spartan ever, but I tell you what..

    That right there is how you write a fucking review. Certainly made me add it to my list of games I need to play.

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    shrikebtr wrote: »
    Has anyone actually read their review of Spartan? I havn't played Spartan ever, but I tell you what..

    That right there is how you write a fucking review. Certainly made me add it to my list of games I need to play.

    Eurogamer liked it, too, if that helps.

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  • RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited August 2008
    looks like a shitty list from a shitty blog, to me.

    But for all I know, actionbutton.net might be some super-popular up-and-coming site in the gaming world that I just haven't heard of.


    Can anyone make a good case for this thread before I lock it?

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Tim Rogers

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  • XagarathXagarath Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Tim Rogers does have a reputation.

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  • MongerMonger I got the ham stink. Dallas, TXRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So Gears is objectively a better interactive experience than Shadow of the Colossus and MGS3? I am so glad this was brought to my attention. I will immediately reevaluate my own personal belief system lest I look a fool in the eyes of the critical press.

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  • BeckBeck Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Ramius wrote: »
    looks like a shitty list from a shitty blog, to me.

    But for all I know, actionbutton.net might be some super-popular up-and-coming site in the gaming world that I just haven't heard of.


    Can anyone make a good case for this thread before I lock it?

    I'm sure there will be a lot of people posting "What, no Final Fantasy?", but this website is one of the few places to read something interesting on the topic of video games, and this list (so far) has delivered on content. If you have time, the Gears of War entry is worth reading. If you don't, I'll break it down: He talks about CliffyB crying over Lunar 2, first person shooters in Japan, and relates that to Hironobu Sakaguchi wanting to develop "something like Gears of War." I understand that this thread might be locked, but I think people who actually read the entries in this list will come away impressed.

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  • RamiusRamius Joined: July 19, 2000 Administrator, ClubPA admin
    edited August 2008
    I have given 20 minutes, and the best reason given for keeping this thread was, "Tim Rogers".

    I have searched google for Tim Rogers by itself and in association with games, gaming, reviews, etc and decided that is not a good enough reason.


    *LOCKED*

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