Does Biden support abstinence-only education? I've spent some time on google trying to confirm it after seeing someone mention it on Shakespeare Sister, and all I found was that, in 1996, he voted yes on $75 million for abstinence education. Was abstinence only education even around in 1996, or was that amount meant to supplement rather than undermine comprehensive sex education?
I'm getting a Clinton-Gore vibe from the Obama-Biden ticket. Anyone else?
No, I'm getting a clinton-clinton vibe.
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p.s. - The quote used in the new McCain ad, where Biden says "I would be honored to run with or against John McCain because I think the country would be better off" ... that was on The Daily Show.
In that context it makes a lot more sense, as a joke basically saying that the country would be best served by Joe Biden getting into office one way or another.
Does Biden support abstinence-only education? I've spent some time on google trying to confirm it after seeing someone mention it on Shakespeare Sister, and all I found was that, in 1996, he voted yes on $75 million for abstinence education. Was abstinence only education even around in 1996, or was that amount meant to supplement rather than undermine comprehensive sex education?
A good question. Worst case scenario: He does strictly support abstinence-only education. Obama has already made it clear he takes sexual education seriously, and even believes (rightfully so) that some levels of sexual education even start in the elementary years. Not Cosmo stuff, of course, but the medical sides. So there's that.
In non-Biden news Schwarzenegger is at best a maybe for the Pub convention. He apparently won't leave if the California budget isn't settled. Of course, this means the California state Dems know what they should do, because this not only fucks up McCain's first night, it makes him look stupid.
I think thats the governator giving himself an out for not showing up. Are there any notable democrats who aren't going to be in denver?
I believe Pelosi broke her ankle and won't be going.
You keep telling yourself that right up until November, but I guarantee you that here in the real world, Joe Biden will not be doing anything between now and then other than making certain that John McCain does not win the presidency.
Does Biden support abstinence-only education? I've spent some time on google trying to confirm it after seeing someone mention it on Shakespeare Sister, and all I found was that, in 1996, he voted yes on $75 million for abstinence education. Was abstinence only education even around in 1996, or was that amount meant to supplement rather than undermine comprehensive sex education?
A good question. Worst case scenario: He does strictly support abstinence-only education. Obama has already made it clear he takes sexual education seriously, and even believes (rightfully so) that some levels of sexual education even start in the elementary years. Not Cosmo stuff, of course, but the medical sides. So there's that.
He's not an abstinence-only man, this I know. He voted on the following bill as well as the previously mentioned 75M one.
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Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives
Appropriation to expand access to preventive health care services; Bill S.Amdt. 244 to S Con Res 18 ; vote number 2005-75 on Mar 17, 2005
Believing family planning could help prevent many unwanted pregnancies, Senator Biden has consistently supported Title X - the nation's family planning program - that provides information, services, support, and research for family planning."
Does Biden support abstinence-only education? I've spent some time on google trying to confirm it after seeing someone mention it on Shakespeare Sister, and all I found was that, in 1996, he voted yes on $75 million for abstinence education. Was abstinence only education even around in 1996, or was that amount meant to supplement rather than undermine comprehensive sex education?
A good question. Worst case scenario: He does strictly support abstinence-only education. Obama has already made it clear he takes sexual education seriously, and even believes (rightfully so) that some levels of sexual education even start in the elementary years. Not Cosmo stuff, of course, but the medical sides. So there's that.
If you look on the On The Issues page he also supported 100 million for normal sex ed. I think the $75 million was just tucked into some combined bill or another he didn't want to derail on that one point.
Does Biden support abstinence-only education? I've spent some time on google trying to confirm it after seeing someone mention it on Shakespeare Sister, and all I found was that, in 1996, he voted yes on $75 million for abstinence education. Was abstinence only education even around in 1996, or was that amount meant to supplement rather than undermine comprehensive sex education?
A good question. Worst case scenario: He does strictly support abstinence-only education. Obama has already made it clear he takes sexual education seriously, and even believes (rightfully so) that some levels of sexual education even start in the elementary years. Not Cosmo stuff, of course, but the medical sides. So there's that.
I can't believe everything related to sex is still such a hot issue in the US, it's like you guys are 40 years behind my country with this.
Hopefully you'll manage to come to some sort of conclusion in the next 4 years.
Werehippy: is that your cat in your sig? if yes, when the hell did you steal my cat? o_O
That is my cat. I've had her for a few years now, so she's past the adorable gangly phase and has moved into puddle-o-cat territory. I'd never seen one that kind of silver with dark grey striping before I got her, but now that I'm looking for it there seem to be a lot of cats exactly like that (kind of like how all pure black cats look alike).
Sure, everyone hated on him (what with the occasional crazy and the decidedly unfortunate debate techniques), but at least he could be reasoned with and brought something relatively coherent and interesting. You'd think we'd be a bit nostalgic give the quality of crazy we've been getting since then.
I liked that he brought a different point of view. I disliked the fact that he'd often throw out unprovable crap and whine when people stooped to his level.
Ok, deeply tangential issue. When did "tire swing" or "riding the tire swing" enter political shorthand, and what exactly does it mean. Knowing Fournier (AP Washington bureau chief, former Pub press guy and lobbied hard by the McCain campaign to come on board, olol liberal media) and the article in question I assume it's some variant on concern trolling, but what are the specifics?
Biden addressed the praise he gave to McCain months ago. He fucking savaged him on the Sunday talk shows for turning into a "generic Republican." Oh well, I guess the McCain people want another round of that, and so do I.
Biden seems like a good pick for those who aren't quite as change prone on the Democratic side of things. Clark would have been absolutely horrible. I'm not sure what you guys were smoking on that one.
Biden addressed the praise he gave to McCain months ago. He fucking savaged him on the Sunday talk shows for turning into a "generic Republican." Oh well, I guess the McCain people want another round of that, and so do I.
I do find myself confused by this strategy. The only way it could theoretically work is if they put out so many wrong things so quickly Obama doesn't have time to respond to each, but they're so damn slow. Though I suppose that retarded celebrity-household budget one from yesterday is going to slide by unanswered.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Biden addressed the praise he gave to McCain months ago. He fucking savaged him on the Sunday talk shows for turning into a "generic Republican." Oh well, I guess the McCain people want another round of that, and so do I.
It should be vastly amusing. Biden won't pull any punches, that's for sure.
All of my friends and family are very, very happy with this choice. Even some of my friends' Republican parents are happy because of Biden's considerable foreign policy experience. I think Obama made the right choice in balancing his ticket.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3:00pm EST. Can see it on barackobama.com or probably any of the major news networks (CNN, CSPAN, MSNBC, Fox will all probably have it).
On a sidenote, I think if my dad were like that he'd drive me crazy.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
He doesn't vote. Yes, he's one of those people.
He's cool about it, though. Takes a weird sort of pride in that he has never been right about a presidential nominee pick.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
He doesn't vote. Yes, he's one of those people.
He's cool about it, though. Takes a weird sort of pride in that he has never been right about a presidential nominee pick.
Man, I was getting drunk last night when everyone was finding out it was Biden. Then my friend gets on his laptop to look at news and he's all nonchalantly "Biden is Obama's VP."
"MAN WHUT!? SERIOUSLY!? Lemme see that!"
Unfortunately, it was hampered by him being all "McCain's gonna win. Nobody's gonna vote for Obama." I just rose my hand and said "I am!"
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HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
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I was thinking of going out for a bit, but I'm afraid I'll get caught up in things and forget to watch Obama / Biden speak and be awesome together. Biden is a much better choice than some seem to think; I almost would have preferred him as an attack dog, but this should be fun if nothing else. The man is absolutely FIERCE in his criticisms and he's very well spoken and easy to understand when he makes them.
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Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
He doesn't vote. Yes, he's one of those people.
He's cool about it, though. Takes a weird sort of pride in that he has never been right about a presidential nominee pick.
If he doesn't vote why does he care?
Technically it doesn't matter a whole lot, since we live in Jersey and this state is inexplicably very blue. But he's one of those "all politicians are the same" types even though Bush and McCain seem to make him physically ill.
My mom's even weirder. She doesn't like Obama because she thinks he's going to get shot. Theoretical bullet content is a negative personality trait now?
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
He doesn't vote. Yes, he's one of those people.
He's cool about it, though. Takes a weird sort of pride in that he has never been right about a presidential nominee pick.
If he doesn't vote why does he care?
Technically it doesn't matter a whole lot, since we live in Jersey and this state is inexplicably very blue. But he's one of those "all politicians are the same" types even though Bush and McCain seem to make him physically ill.
My mom's even weirder. She doesn't like Obama because she thinks he's going to get shot. Theoretical bullet content is a negative personality trait now?
I can kind of understand the fear of the president getting shot, but that just makes the bottom of the ticket even more important.
Okay, when's that speech Obama's giving with Biden today? My dad still believes it's Hillary and he flat-out refuses to accept otherwise until he sees in on TV or in the newspaper...and our paper still says Hillary's the pick.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
He doesn't vote. Yes, he's one of those people.
He's cool about it, though. Takes a weird sort of pride in that he has never been right about a presidential nominee pick.
If he doesn't vote why does he care?
Technically it doesn't matter a whole lot, since we live in Jersey and this state is inexplicably very blue. But he's one of those "all politicians are the same" types even though Bush and McCain seem to make him physically ill.
My mom's even weirder. She doesn't like Obama because she thinks he's going to get shot. Theoretical bullet content is a negative personality trait now?
I can kind of understand the fear of the president getting shot, but that just makes the bottom of the ticket even more important.
I can understand the fear of a president getting shot, especially if you were a baby boomer and went through the JFK assassination. Something you don't want to go through ever again, even if it is naive thinking.
But I can't understand how you wouldn't fear a man that is more likely to die of old age while in office. Or at least contract a debilitating disease like Alzheimer's or something.
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True but I don't think either one of them are crazy to shoot missiles at us :P
Werehippy: is that your cat in your sig? if yes, when the hell did you steal my cat? o_O
In what way? I'm just getting an awesome vibe from Obama-Biden.
Not really, no.
Gore was pretty boring til after 2000.
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No, I'm getting a clinton-clinton vibe.
In that context it makes a lot more sense, as a joke basically saying that the country would be best served by Joe Biden getting into office one way or another.
A good question. Worst case scenario: He does strictly support abstinence-only education. Obama has already made it clear he takes sexual education seriously, and even believes (rightfully so) that some levels of sexual education even start in the elementary years. Not Cosmo stuff, of course, but the medical sides. So there's that.
I believe Pelosi broke her ankle and won't be going.
I know!
You keep telling yourself that right up until November, but I guarantee you that here in the real world, Joe Biden will not be doing anything between now and then other than making certain that John McCain does not win the presidency.
He's not an abstinence-only man, this I know. He voted on the following bill as well as the previously mentioned 75M one.
"
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives
Appropriation to expand access to preventive health care services; Bill S.Amdt. 244 to S Con Res 18 ; vote number 2005-75 on Mar 17, 2005
Believing family planning could help prevent many unwanted pregnancies, Senator Biden has consistently supported Title X - the nation's family planning program - that provides information, services, support, and research for family planning."
If you look on the On The Issues page he also supported 100 million for normal sex ed. I think the $75 million was just tucked into some combined bill or another he didn't want to derail on that one point.
I can't believe everything related to sex is still such a hot issue in the US, it's like you guys are 40 years behind my country with this.
Hopefully you'll manage to come to some sort of conclusion in the next 4 years.
That is my cat. I've had her for a few years now, so she's past the adorable gangly phase and has moved into puddle-o-cat territory. I'd never seen one that kind of silver with dark grey striping before I got her, but now that I'm looking for it there seem to be a lot of cats exactly like that (kind of like how all pure black cats look alike).
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I do find myself confused by this strategy. The only way it could theoretically work is if they put out so many wrong things so quickly Obama doesn't have time to respond to each, but they're so damn slow. Though I suppose that retarded celebrity-household budget one from yesterday is going to slide by unanswered.
Obama-Biden '08.
Help me prove this man wrong.
3 PM EST. I'd be shocked if all the major news channels don't cover it, but if worst comes to worst it's streaming of Obama's website.
It should be vastly amusing. Biden won't pull any punches, that's for sure.
All of my friends and family are very, very happy with this choice. Even some of my friends' Republican parents are happy because of Biden's considerable foreign policy experience. I think Obama made the right choice in balancing his ticket.
Good.
HERE I COME, ANGRY WRONG DAD! HERE I COME FOR YOUR HOPES, DREAMS AND TWENTY DOLLARS!
3:00pm EST. Can see it on barackobama.com or probably any of the major news networks (CNN, CSPAN, MSNBC, Fox will all probably have it).
On a sidenote, I think if my dad were like that he'd drive me crazy.
Heck tell him to just not watch the news or read the papers anymore and just get a big surprise at the ballot.
He doesn't vote. Yes, he's one of those people.
He's cool about it, though. Takes a weird sort of pride in that he has never been right about a presidential nominee pick.
If he doesn't vote why does he care?
"MAN WHUT!? SERIOUSLY!? Lemme see that!"
Unfortunately, it was hampered by him being all "McCain's gonna win. Nobody's gonna vote for Obama." I just rose my hand and said "I am!"
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I was thinking of going out for a bit, but I'm afraid I'll get caught up in things and forget to watch Obama / Biden speak and be awesome together. Biden is a much better choice than some seem to think; I almost would have preferred him as an attack dog, but this should be fun if nothing else. The man is absolutely FIERCE in his criticisms and he's very well spoken and easy to understand when he makes them.
Technically it doesn't matter a whole lot, since we live in Jersey and this state is inexplicably very blue. But he's one of those "all politicians are the same" types even though Bush and McCain seem to make him physically ill.
My mom's even weirder. She doesn't like Obama because she thinks he's going to get shot. Theoretical bullet content is a negative personality trait now?
I can kind of understand the fear of the president getting shot, but that just makes the bottom of the ticket even more important.
I can understand the fear of a president getting shot, especially if you were a baby boomer and went through the JFK assassination. Something you don't want to go through ever again, even if it is naive thinking.
But I can't understand how you wouldn't fear a man that is more likely to die of old age while in office. Or at least contract a debilitating disease like Alzheimer's or something.
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