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bitten by a spider...should i be worried? [update, been to the doctor]

heretoinformheretoinform __BANNED USERS regular
edited September 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I discovered a large, red welt on my stomach yesterday morning. I thought it was just a large mosquito bite, and dismissed it.

Today, I accidently jabbed my stomach and I experience some pain in the region of the bite for a few minutes. When I looked at it, the main red welt had gotten larger and there is now a light red ring around it, which extends over two inches from the welt in some places.

Does anyone know what kind of spider bit me? Also, should I be worried at all? I assume that my body will just take care of it, but I don't want to take any risks; I've never been bitten by a spider before.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Go to a doctor if you're worried about it in the least.

    That said, I've seen some big spider bites that come from common household spiders and nothing really happened. Spiders can bite hard and the reaction can seem a lot more violent than it really is.

    But I highly suggest seeing a doctor if you aren't sure. Look up some of the species of spiders in your area and what the resulting bites look like. I'm sure you can find it online somewhere.

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Talk to an MD because that sounds like it could be something serious. While it's probably not, I'd hate to think you got Lyme Disease and let it go untreated.

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  • TehSpectreTehSpectre Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Where do you live?

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  • SeolSeol Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Stolen from the broken leg thread:
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    There should really be a sticky that says "If you are worried about whether you have a serious injury or a not-so-serious injury, go to a doctor/hospital/shaman. We cannot help." I can't believe that anyone would even debate going to the doctor. Didn't you see the House where the patient died because of a tiny bone fracture that was poisoning his body? Listen to Dr. House!!!

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  • MeizMeiz Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    There's a youtube video out there where a guy punctures his neck with a pair of scissors to let out the garbage festering inside the bump it left.

    It's not for the faint of heart.

    That being said, get checked. There's no real way to tell what kind of species bit you nor its adverse affects to your system.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Seol wrote: »
    Stolen from the broken leg thread:
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    There should really be a sticky that says "If you are worried about whether you have a serious injury or a not-so-serious injury, go to a doctor/hospital/shaman. We cannot help." I can't believe that anyone would even debate going to the doctor. Didn't you see the House where the patient died because of a tiny bone fracture that was poisoning his body? Listen to Dr. House!!!

    I agree with the spirit of this, but unless there are two House episodes where tiny broken bones are poisoning people, it was a woman, at the south pole, and he caught it and fixed it in time so she didn't die :)

    Get it checked out by a doctor as the rest of the thread suggests.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I discovered a large, red welt on my stomach yesterday morning. I thought it was just a large mosquito bite, and dismissed it.

    Today, I accidently jabbed my stomach and I experience some pain in the region of the bite for a few minutes. When I looked at it, the main red welt had gotten larger and there is now a light red ring around it, which extends over two inches from the welt in some places.

    Does anyone know what kind of spider bit me? Also, should I be worried at all? I assume that my body will just take care of it, but I don't want to take any risks; I've never been bitten by a spider before.

    Do you live in an area with deer ticks by any chance?

    http://www.badspiderbites.com/lyme-disease/

    In any case, a doctor is your best bet.

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  • SeolSeol Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Daenris wrote: »
    Seol wrote: »
    Stolen from the broken leg thread:
    RUNN1NGMAN wrote: »
    There should really be a sticky that says "If you are worried about whether you have a serious injury or a not-so-serious injury, go to a doctor/hospital/shaman. We cannot help." I can't believe that anyone would even debate going to the doctor. Didn't you see the House where the patient died because of a tiny bone fracture that was poisoning his body? Listen to Dr. House!!!
    I agree with the spirit of this, but unless there are two House episodes where tiny broken bones are poisoning people, it was a woman, at the south pole, and he caught it and fixed it in time so she didn't die :)
    Yes, but if she hadn't had it checked out by a doctor, she would have died.

    On the other hand, she was taking medical advice from a guy on the Internet there, so...

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  • Post BluePost Blue Redmond, WARegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The RROD suggests an infection for which you may need antibiotics.

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  • SeolSeol Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Post Blue wrote: »
    The RROD suggests an infection for which you may need antibiotics.
    Which you can only get from a doctor, so go see them and ask them to look at it and see what they suggest.

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm going to also input the suggestion that you get tested for Lyme Disease. The ring is something that can happen if you're bitten by a tick that carries Lyme.

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  • jpegjpeg ODIE, YOUR FACE Scenic Illinois FlatlandsRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm going to also input the suggestion that you get tested for Lyme Disease. The ring is something that can happen if you're bitten by a tick that carries Lyme.

    Also the initial test they do is usually shit and gives a lot of false negatives. I was symptomatic for lyme disease this past month (had a tick bite, had the rash, had extreme fatigue, fever, etc) and the test came back negative but they put me on antibiotics anyway.

    So, doctor is a good idea to be safe.

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  • GirlPantsGirlPants Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I was also bit two nights ago on my neck. It was swollen and itchy for a day but seems to be residing. I've been bitten a few times, always in my sleep, I don't think you need to worry unless you start to get sick or stiff or it develops into an open wound.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm going to also input the suggestion that you get tested for Lyme Disease. The ring is something that can happen if you're bitten by a tick that carries Lyme.

    Everything mentioned about Lyme's is true. Go get checked out. I perceive that the general thrust of the OP's original question, though, was "have I been bitten by something poisonous, and am I going to die?" The answer to that quesiton is probably "no." Most dangerous venoms fall into two categories. Nuerotoxins exhibit symptoms far beyond the bite site as the toxin attacks nerves and muscle groups in your body--black widow venom, for instance, can cause shortness of breath, which is a symptom of the fact that your diaphragm is no longer functioning properly on account of a paralyzing agent. Necrotic venoms exhibit symptoms mainly localized to the bite site--but "symptom" in that case usually means massive amounts of tissue damage, gangrenous lesions, and blistering sores while your flesh dies and festers on the bone.

    I'm thinking you would have mentioned limited paralysis, loss of equilibrium, unexplained vomiting or rotting flesh if it had come up.

    Having said that, the red ring? Bad sign! Get thee to a physician.

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  • heretoinformheretoinform __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Ok, so, here's a little update with a slightly new problem.

    I never was able to go to my doctor, for a few reasons (he wasn't there, i didn't have time, etc). So, about a week ago, my gigantic red thing started leak. I've been bandaging it every day so my shirt won't get messed up and to protect it from infection, and it is pretty much 100% drained. There is, however, a hole from where it was oozing. Like, literally. I'm not sure if this is normal, and I am 100% going to the doctor on Monday, but I just want to see what you guys have to say about it. The hole is about 1/3rd of an inch long and maybe 1/5th of an inch tall. I can clearly see in this hole; I'd say I can see about 1/2 inch into my body. It doesn't hurt, I've been bandaging it up for the last three days, and it isn't getting any better. Does this normally happen after a gigantic welt(?) pops?

    I took a pic, but the flash really fucked it up (I am not THAT white at all). I will have better pictures tonight (tomorrow morning at the latest [my buddy took pictures with his cell, so I have to wait until he gets off work]).

    (I messed with the pic a bit, but it is still pretty bad.)

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    As you can see, there is a small strip of skin cutting across the hole.

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  • starlanceriistarlancerii Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I really can't make out anything at all from that pic. Looks like a rock covered in a snowstorm. Just make SURE you go to the doctor on monday, that doesn't sound good

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  • PulvaanPulvaan Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    It might be something other than a spider bite. I'm not saying it's MRSA, but definitely make that appointment on monday.

    Keep it DRY and CLEAN. Moisture sets up infection, and you do NOT want that infected.

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  • wmelonwmelon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I've had this happen to me before. You'll probably want to clean it out a couple times a day with hydrogen peroxide until you can see the doctor. (Warning. This will hurt like HELL.) I imagine that he'll give you some kind of antibacterial cream and some antibiotics to ward off any kind of infection. It will take a little while to go away and it will probably leave a scar. (I still have a small one on the meaty part of my calf from when I got bitten when I was 11.) As long as it doesn't spread, I'd say you're probably fine. If it starts getting bigger, go to the ER immediately. It may have been a Brown Recluse and they'll have to amputate the effected flesh. It goes without saying that you'll want to keep that as minimal as possible.

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  • Chaotic DescentChaotic Descent Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I got bitten by a spider once. I think. I had this thing that itched for a year, and just wouldn't heal. Yeah, a year. Get it looked at. I had to treat it with a few different things before something actually worked on it. Strangely enough, recently it's started itching again.

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  • PulvaanPulvaan Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    injected with spider babies?

    yea I second the hydrogen peroxide. relatively cheap.

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  • heretoinformheretoinform __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah, I've been swabbing it with hydrogen peroxide and alcohol three times a day.

    I also put some antibacterial cream on it with my bandage.

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  • unilateralunilateral Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Pulvaan wrote: »
    It might be something other than a spider bite. I'm not saying it's MRSA, but definitely make that appointment on monday.

    Keep it DRY and CLEAN. Moisture sets up infection, and you do NOT want that infected.

    Yeah, not trying to fear monger, but that sounds a lot like how my buddy's MRSA started out. Just make sure you get it checked out soon.

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  • Cowboy BebopCowboy Bebop Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Sounds like it could be a Hobospider bite but there only in certain areas so you might be ok.But you should get that checked out as far as I know no one here is a doctor.

    P.S. As far as I know Hobospiders don't do much damage,you'll just have a scar left over.

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  • spacerobotspacerobot Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I was going to suggest Lyme disease also. But I don't think Lyme disease oozes. At least it didn't when I got it. Have you been feeling sick, like feverish or headaches or anything?
    I've had countless house-spider bites in my life, and they've always just been like really bad mosquito bites. I'm definitely going with the others that you should try your best to keep it clean until you can get to the doctor.

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  • starlanceriistarlancerii Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Incidentally, have you felt anything strange apart from the bite area? Like, ability to cling to walls? Super-human strength? A sixth sense? :-D

    Anyways, good luck tomorrow, hopefully it won't be anything too serious.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I probably should have explained necrosis better earlier--I sort of glossed over it because, well, seriously. If you have necrosis, you don't necessarily know what it is, but I can't imagine not knowing that you have a horrifying problem on your hands that isn't going to be solved by someone on the Internet.

    Withour futher adieu, here are some examples of necrosis. Spoiler caution: disgusting.
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    I can't imagine someone seeing something like this develop on their skin and not immediately go to the ER. Especially because these are minor examples. If you have a particularly bad bite or a particularly bad response, the hole won't close without medical intervention, and will continue to grow and deepen until that happens.

    The pic you posted kind of sucks, but if this looks familiar, it is not inappropriate to freak out a little bit and go to the ER.

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  • GlocjtGlocjt catstronaut in spaaace.Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Pulvaan wrote: »
    Keep it DRY and CLEAN. Moisture sets up infection, and you do NOT want that infected.

    Actually, keeping the right level of moisture helps wounds heal faster.

    That said...if a suspected spider bite developed into an open wound, then yes, ffs, go see a doctor.

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  • EriosErios Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Echoing what others have said, you need to get the fuck to a doctor and frankly you should have a while ago.

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  • Dulcius_ex_asperisDulcius_ex_asperis Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    This sounds exactly like a staph infection I had about three years ago. Go to a doctor asap. Luckily mine wasn't resistant to antibiotics, but I had three in a row...in April, another in May, and then a third in August of that year. They can be a total bitch to get rid of. The whole "there's a deep hole in my body" thing, along with thinking initially that it's a spider bite, reminds me a lot of my very first one.

    I'd be curious to know what the doctor says, though. Make sure you keep it covered and bandaged well, and try not to let any of the pus touch ANYTHING if possible, in case it is a staph infection. Good luck.

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  • PaperPrittPaperPritt Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I never was able to go to my doctor, for a few reasons (he wasn't there, i didn't have time, etc)
    Why do so many people do this? Genuine question here, and i also tend to to the same tbh (because i'm myself afraid of doctors , but that's not the point). Consider this : is there something that might be more important than your health? Again, please go to a MD asap! Even if it's not yours!

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    PaperPritt wrote: »
    I never was able to go to my doctor, for a few reasons (he wasn't there, i didn't have time, etc)
    Why do so many people do this? Genuine question here, and i also tend to to the same tbh (because i'm myself afraid of doctors , but that's not the point). Consider this : is there something that might be more important than your health? Again, please go to a MD asap! Even if it's not yours!

    The problem here is doctors are booked for 3 weeks ahead of time for some reason, so everyone just goes to urgent care or the ER. For shit like this, you absolutely should do it.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    bowen wrote: »
    PaperPritt wrote: »
    I never was able to go to my doctor, for a few reasons (he wasn't there, i didn't have time, etc)
    Why do so many people do this? Genuine question here, and i also tend to to the same tbh (because i'm myself afraid of doctors , but that's not the point). Consider this : is there something that might be more important than your health? Again, please go to a MD asap! Even if it's not yours!

    The problem here is doctors are booked for 3 weeks ahead of time for some reason, so everyone just goes to urgent care or the ER. For shit like this, you absolutely should do it.

    There really ought to be a comprehensive list of things you should go to the ER for somewhere on the internet so we can just link to it. Venemous snake bites, necrotic wounds, compound fractures or fractures involving a limb, stabbings, shootings, frostbite, anything that bleeds for more than 60 minutes that isn't part of a normal menstrual cycle, any sort of wound that either squirts or makes a "sucking" noise, any sort of wound where there may be a foreign object still inside the wound, any vomiting or diahrea that doesn't go away after 24 hours, fluid in the lungs, a rape kit, severe allergic reactions, ingested toxins of a sufficient quanity that you'll need to have your stomach pumped, sudden loss of vision, hearing, balance or equilibrium, you have the Internet's official permisssion to go to the ER.

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  • NightDragonNightDragon 6th Grade Username Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah, I've been swabbing it with hydrogen peroxide and alcohol three times a day.

    I also put some antibacterial cream on it with my bandage.

    Cripes, if it's deep enough, you shouldn't be putting hydrogen peroxide OR alcohol on it at all. Those are really harsh on tissue - they're fine for scrapes and small cuts, but for things like a puncture wound (which yours isn't, but frankly, sounds deep enough to be classified as such for the purpose of this post) it can stay in there and eat away at healthy tissue.

    I hope you've been to the doctor (you said Monday) so best of luck with that.

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  • RUNN1NGMANRUNN1NGMAN Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    SammyF wrote: »
    bowen wrote: »
    PaperPritt wrote: »
    I never was able to go to my doctor, for a few reasons (he wasn't there, i didn't have time, etc)
    Why do so many people do this? Genuine question here, and i also tend to to the same tbh (because i'm myself afraid of doctors , but that's not the point). Consider this : is there something that might be more important than your health? Again, please go to a MD asap! Even if it's not yours!

    The problem here is doctors are booked for 3 weeks ahead of time for some reason, so everyone just goes to urgent care or the ER. For shit like this, you absolutely should do it.

    There really ought to be a comprehensive list of things you should go to the ER for somewhere on the internet so we can just link to it. Venemous snake bites, necrotic wounds, compound fractures or fractures involving a limb, stabbings, shootings, frostbite, anything that bleeds for more than 60 minutes that isn't part of a normal menstrual cycle, any sort of wound that either squirts or makes a "sucking" noise, any sort of wound where there may be a foreign object still inside the wound, any vomiting or diahrea that doesn't go away after 24 hours, fluid in the lungs, a rape kit, severe allergic reactions, ingested toxins of a sufficient quanity that you'll need to have your stomach pumped, sudden loss of vision, hearing, balance or equilibrium, you have the Internet's official permisssion to go to the ER.

    Just bulletize that shit and report it for a sticky. Only thing I would add/edit is that for ingestion of any amount of a toxin, contact poison control immediately. A tablespoon of one thing might kill you, a gallon of another might not, but no one but the poison control hotline is going to be able to give you accurate information either way.

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  • heretoinformheretoinform __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Ok, I've made an appointment for the doctor and I'm leaving in half an hour. I'll give you guys an update later, if I can.

    Another thing to note is that another one of these large welts has popped up about three inches below my hole, so...we'll see.

    Anyway, thanks for all the advice so far.

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  • bowenbowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Ok, I've made an appointment for the doctor and I'm leaving in half an hour. I'll give you guys an update later, if I can.

    Another thing to note is that another one of these large welts has popped up about three inches below my hole, so...we'll see.

    Anyway, thanks for all the advice so far.

    Then 99% chance it's a Staph Infection. Best of luck, hopefully not the MRSA variety.

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  • SeldomSeldom Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    i had exactly what sammyf describes.

    i have a nice nasty scar after it too, those things do not heal well :(
    i tried to dry it out but that didn't really do much for the ulceration, in the end i had to have some gel on it for ages and bandages.

    see a doctor! it was something i did flick off for a while, but that ulceration did not go away and things only got worse.

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I know were probably past the point of thinking it's Lyme disease, but I just thought I would bring this up. If he had gotten it from a tick, it would still be there. Ticks don't just bite you and leave.

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  • PulvaanPulvaan Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yea its a staph infection.

    Good luck duder - and for God's sake keep up on the antibiotics.

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  • JaysonFourJaysonFour Classy Monster Kitteh Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    This sounds like a bad staph infection, possibly even MRSA. This is really serious- it could end with your ass in the ground. Get your ass to the doctor and get the wound cleaned out.

    The scary thing about MRSA is that there are some strains of it that are resistant to antibiotics- that's where it got its name, Methycillin Resistant Staph Aureus. (Methycillin was the second big antibiotic, right after penicillin. It's the current go-to antibiotic when someone has an infection.)

    Cleanliness is going to be the big thing now. Anything that touches the wound or anything that's been in contact with or has come out of the wound must be cleaned up- place all used bandages into plastic baggies and seal them with tape while wearing rubber gloves (I'm being really serious here. MRSA can colonize a place and then you'll never be rid of it.) Clean all clothing/bedsheets/anything that touched the wound, in bleach and hot water if you can. Wash your hands frequently.

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