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graffd02
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Deleted Scenes - A Movie Commentary Webcomic by Dave Graff-http://deletedscenescomic.com
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If you don't want this locked, I suggest you edit your post.
You can post it here, this is a critique-based art forum, you just need to post art, and not website links.
Why would you want to advertise the competition?
Because I have no problem with helping other people getting started, It will help me as well... monetarily...
That photo in the first panel has a shocking resemblance with this one, but the characters are arranged differently:
What do you think, guys? Looks like tracing to me.
So, you want to help them get started, but you're charging them money. At the same time, you manage to drive your small readership away to another comic. This doens't sound strange to you?
my biggest complaint is holy god make them a bit bigger, my eyes are getting worse with age, i can't read this you crazy kids!
EDIT: There are a few that aren't, such as the sleeping guy and the one with the glasses. But they can still be from other references.
i think all of them have been ref'd from somewhere, the question is where?
either way, it's really jarring that those ones were done in the disney style but the other two more of his own style
look at how gabe treats drawing characters from games and other comics
it's always completely in his own style, so yeah... disney isn't your personal style, so just draw the dwarves as you would normally draw them, people will still be able to tell what they are
http://graffd02.deviantart.com/art/The-8th-Dwarf-94230858
That's a picture from his DeviantART, and it clearly has all of the same poses as the one in the comic, so he must've traced some other photo(s).
...or he just drew each character separately, and copy-pasted the same images that he drew for both this comic, and that Deviant image.
Speaking of, here are the references:
http://www.philipmrussell.co.uk/dreamweaver/images.htm
I suck at talking.
Also, nice job finding the refs.
Protip: don't trace.
I'd second Beavo's comment about how you should draw the characters in your own style - they'll still be recognizable, in the same fashion that Gabe's rendition of other characters are still recognizable, despite the fact he drew them in his own style.
You can imitate a style if you want, sure, but tracing isn't going to get you anywhere, especially when it's so obvious that the other two dwarves were done freehand.
Not traced, I create my images through adobe illustrator, I do use reference images so that I dont completely screw up the look/color scheme of a character, but I don't trace. Thats the first time I've seen the image above, I actually used individual shots of each of the dwarves to create their pictures and then arranged them together into a group.
as the site updates (automatically set to update every monday from now till february) hopefully this will be put to rest...
have a look at these images...
http://graffd02.deviantart.com/art/DELETED-SCENES-14-ET-79347040
or
http://graffd02.deviantart.com/art/DS-21-By-the-Letter-V-and-83186299
i understand the jokes aren't the greatest...
I DO use reference images, its important to me that people can recognize the movie,
i dont trace...
Of course no matter what I say or show I will still have doubters, but hopefully as I continue to create more comics, i will slowly change my style to less realistic, I understand this...
anyways... thanks for the feedback, negative as well as positive...
doesn't get much more unrealistic looking than over-simplified vectors
...hahaha, look. I honestly don't have a horrible problem with you tracing the characters, but I think it's kind of shitty that you're denying it. If you had traced somebody's original character, or some unknown's drawing and called it your own, I would have had more of a problem with it. However, these characters are so iconic that it's obvious they're in the "original Snow White style". You're also referring to them as themselves, not your own characters. So, in a nutshell, that's why I don't particularly care that you traced.
However, lying about it?
It's obvious that you traced, not only from the fact that your other, non-traced work is obviously not up to the same standard...but because of stuff like this:
Those are your references (that I found and posted in my previous post), overlaid in Photoshop at 50%. If there were any slight deviations in where the lines were, it would be bloody apparent. Hey, look! I even chopped off half of the reference you used for Dopey, to show your work underneath! Perfect match, and you also eyedrop'd the color, too! The dwarf on the far right is a complete match. If I had a .gif program to show how exactly every line matches up, it would be even more obvious.
So yes, sorry, "you still have doubters", and I am one of them. And frankly, looking at the rest of your Deviantart gallery, a large portion of those are probably traced, too.
Don't lie about these things. Honestly, if you really want to improve, tracing probably isn't the best way to go about it, anyway.
P.S. you can still "trace" in Illustrator!
I wouldn't consider that tracing. I think tracing is opening a picture in, say, PSD and tracing over the image with a paintbrush. I'm trying my hand at drawing now, and I constantly use pictures and images on television as reference.
If you need to trace something to help you lear...to make your mind understand something that's cool, but don't pass it off as your original work.
Lots of comic artists will do loose thumbs or pencils and "trace/ink" over them either traditionally, or digitally, or with a light box. Since it's the artist work being "traced" it obviously doesn't count.
Basically tracing or painting over is artistic plagiarism.
Anything else ain't tracing.
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in the dwarf comic; the "things that didn't make it to product X" joke is incredibly unoriginal.. There's one webcomic that does this lame unending line of failed megaman bosses... and it's not the only one doing comparable stuff. Just turning someone female/ skanky and calling it funny is not new anymore, and general anti-emo jokes are so... well.. 2007...
On the tracing issue: if you want a comic to get respect for its art, even if you're just a beginning artist, try to do SOMETHING with the originals.. yes, it's important that people recognise all the dwarves but:
1) a comic is text + images. the text already says it's the 7 dwarves, so it would take a special kind of special for people not the realise that the seven dwarves you just drew are, in fact, the 7 dwarves.
2) try to do at least something of your own hand in the dwarves... perhaps just draw them in pencil while looking at the screen reaaaally good, and trace that drawing of them. Even if it's virtually identical to the original, it wont be the same, it will have come from your hand, drawn in your style and shape. Why not adapt their eyes or nose shape to the shapes you regularly use to draw noses/ eyes.
Tracing/copying your own work is fine, but directly tracing a photo or someone elses illustration is wrong. I trace my own images all the time in photoshop. Your method is probably a good way to create your own interpretation of the original photo reference.
because what it IS, is the visual art worlds equivalent of plagiarism
if you use a reference and produce something that is a total replica then its no better then tracing
to then call the "artwork" original is nothing more then a lie
and to call it your own is just another lie
STOP LIEING and STOP BEING BAD AT ART
Also: I think "Deleted Scenes" is probably too focused for a comic. It's not going to lead to much variety.
I traced photos once, someone called me on it...and I dedicated the next four years of my life to learning to draw.
I have been avoiding calling people out on tracing on this forum for awhile, but this brought back some important memories. I think I will start again.
also, I find this hilarious: http://graffd02.deviantart.com/art/DS-21-By-the-Letter-V-and-83186299
Even if elmo and v are traced. The concept is solid.
"your not hobos"
you mean "you're not hobos"
this kind of simple error is something that can really ruin a comic and distract away from everything else
for me, anyway
need to watch stuff like that dude
Actually, I think Picasso would disagree with you there, Warhol too, and probably even Isaac Newton. This isn't high art, but you should probably have a think about what art is.
It took far too long for someone to point this out!
I have to agree with the first guy. It reminds me of all these jackasses taking photos of architecture. Its like cheating, the architect designed it to look cool...so you shouldnt get credit for taking a photo of it. Its like me taking a picture of a statue in italy and pretending like its anything more than a photo to remember the trip by.
Reference is great, but it should be interpreted loosely, or you should have taken the reference yourself.
Wait, but isn't photography an art form too? Wouldn't you get credit for a cool picture?
(That doesn't mean I like the tracing of the dwarfs, I do consider that a hackish move.)