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[Fringe] Double the Walter, double the fun[spoilers]
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'I occasionally eat them to honor him.'
I fell out of my chair.
The other Olivia seems to be overcompensating, plus Peter is a BIG DEAL, and the shape-shifter (
"You with the red hair."
"It's black."
"I see red."
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I believe that is if they do a half-assed imitation, when they are under a time constraint. The only reason Charlie shapeshifter got all fucked up was because his box broke and he couldn't re-shift into something new.
Unless you watch one of the staple ratings making shows (Two and a Half Men, The Office, Family Guy, ect), every single year, every single show is "OH NO ITS ON THE CUSP DOOOOOOOOOM!"
I remember Community, 30 Rock, Chuck, American Dad - all get this "OH NO WE'RE GETTING CANCELLED" every single year.
From everything Ive heard (I work in TV - a local affiliate so by no means am I privy to any inside knowledge about FOX, but you hear rumblings especially around ratings time) - Fox really, really likes Fringe. They seem to be willing to go out of their way to try and HELP it, more so than other shows (Sarah Connor, Dollhouse) that they prematurely kill.
I'd be shocked if it was cancelled.
It's a good show! I think it started off a bit slowly, but has gradually come out on its own and is frankly brilliant.
Community is doing FINE.
That site really is just all about getting fans all worked up to get them to keep coming back to the site.
Fringe is a hell of a lot safer now than it was last year. They're getting a ton of praise, from all sides (Entertainment Weekly is on board hardcore lately it seems), and it won't really hit people that LOST is gone until January, when it would have come back. I'm not worried.
Ehh yeah I guess you're right it wouldn't really make much sense after the end of last episode. I just feel like that after everything with this episode and the shapeshifters and their assuming people's lives, and after meeting Walternate Olivia, he should at least be skeptical and consider the possibility that she has been replaced. Especially after he said he noticed she was different. And after they went through the whole deal with shapeshifter Charlie.
That. Would. Be. Stupid. Peter is banging Bolivia on purpose?! That would make him not only stupid, but an evil motherfucker really. What "relationship"? He shouldn't trust Bolivia, much less really care about her, Bolivia is only playing him, she's in love with Small Pox Dude... Unless I'm misunderstanding you, the pronouns made that hard to follow in places. :P
You can say that their side has reach, but our side has flexabilty. :P
If Peter is playing the double con then the only play to fully expose Fauxlivia is to put her in a situation where only our Olivia can survive. I'm guessing a display of her cortixiphan powers is in order.
He knows that Olivia can make things happen when a pinch, so if he does know then he is just hoping she stays alive until he gets there. I'm guessing he will eventually follow fauxlivia to the pawn shop and discover the typewriter.
Newton was right in saying she would screw up sooner or later. I'm hoping it will happen right around winter break to set up a nice cliffhanger. At the same time Olivia will regain her all of her memories and then second half of the season will be action packed suspense.
"Relationship" in that they have a series of regular interactions that base assumptions and patterns of behavior regarding each other, not in a lovey-dovey or friendship scenario. I agree, pronouns are a pain, and I apologize if I wasn't clear.
I'm not sure sex has anything to do with trust in the context of what they've got going on. Peter hasn't fully reconciled the information about our Walter's role in his kidnapping and the subsequent war and destruction, etc. He knows with equal conviction that he should not trust Walternate, because of the doomsday machine. He can't trust OURLivia because she kept the truth from him - and isn't from his "home" universe anyway. He can't trust FAUXlivia because even though she's from his "home universe" she came over to continue Walternate's evil plan (tm) and probably doesn't have Peter's welfare on her list of priorities.
Knowing that Peter can't trust any of them, however, leaves him free to manipulate all of them. FAUXlivia is a stranger-in-a-strange-land, but vulnerable. In this episode he not only told her that he knows who she is (and actually likes some of the differences), but subtly pushed her into either fessing up or betraying herself and her universe even more - and I think she chose the wrong path.
One of the ideas that's being set up is that each side has to preserve its sanity by assuming that The Other Side are monsters - Walternate said so explicitly at the end of last season. We're seeing more and more people decide that the other side is just from a different place - not Hell, but maybe Hallifax. She's willing to do anything to further her cause, he knows this, and she knows that he knows. If anything, the stupidity in putting out is Fauxlivia's.
Peter being evil wouldn't surprise me. I do think that Peter's evil (manipulating multiple people to his own ends) is every bit as real as Walters, in kidnapping a son who was not his own, and Walternate's, in wanting to destroy an entire other universe to save his own universe and to get revenge for the kidnapping of his son. It depends on how you define "evil" or make judgments based on the decisions and motives of other people.
Peter wasn't admitting anything to Bolivia. It was just crappy foreshadowing by the writers for when the cliffhanger gets here revealing her. Unless the writers are even worse than that and as I said, he's damning Olivia and random people to death because he's an evil motherfucker with a bizarre revenge complex/idea of a fun time. Which doesn't really jive with Peter, even if he's a con man.
And the sex has everything to do with what they have going on. Bolvia was told she didn't have the dedication to get Peter to trust her. Sleeping with him is a way to get him to trust her, since it'll distract him from the changes and concentrated on her charms. He's still 99.99% oblivious to the swap. I think you're over complicating their actions/the plot.
Eh, it goes back to your observation that we're seeing Peter differently - I think we're seeing the plot differently, too. I think that his concept of "us" and "them" has been shattered; Peter, as I see him, is straddling both worlds, seeing the beauty and the evil in both, and deciding what his course of action should be. He's smart enough not to be duped by Fauxlivia, but he's also smart enough to recognize that she's simply acting as she must, to be true to her rapidly evolving sense of herself. We have this great theory that some folks wear black hats, and some wear white hats - Peter's hat is simply gray, because he doesn't belong to either side.
You're probably right that I'm over-complicating it. I'm having a fabulously good time doing it, though.
A few of the ham-fisted ways they've conveyed him piecing it together would be better with a spin behind it, though, yeah.
And speaking of them playing Doctor: They're actually setting it up so Olivia can help herself. "Sure Walternate, I'll help find a way across. *Poof, home she goes*". Probably into the middle of Peter and Bolivia going at it...
Wait, what now?
I got confused by the "Fringe SAT 11/10c OCT 30" in bold in the upper left. I didn't think Saturday sounded right. I guess that's just when the next rerun of Fringe will broadcast on Fox?
And the episode pretty much proved Their Side is making things worse all on its own.
I've been convinced since season 2 that the claims of Walter's crossing over damaging their world have been greatly exaggerated and misunderstood by those on our side.
I guarantee that much of it is just as much Walternate's fault, if not moreso, than Walter's
I sure as fuck hope not. That would be a cheap way to wave off the crimes Walter had committed and make Walternate just another cheesy villain rather than a guy whose doing what he thinks he must.
The great part about this stuff is the gray zone. Despite the ethnocentric views some of you seem to have about the alternate universe, I think most of the characters on the other-side aren't that much better or worse than their counterparts.
Saying "oh yeah, turns out Walternate was really the main cause of the end of the universe" would utterly ruin the depth of Walter... a man who killed countless lives indirectly while doing what he thought the right thing. Sure we may find it easier to like Walter and easier to hate Walternate, but it would hurt what makes both so damn deep and interesting.
It would be taking the easy way out.
That said, this weeks episode = FAN FUCKING TASTIC! Almost teared up!
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I hope when Other-Fringe division figures all this out we get Charlie back. If it's because he chooses to switch sides or because his world goes boom, either way. :P
You can apply Walternate's reasoning behind the amber (as seen in his little remorseful moment in the newest episode) and apply it to the overall problem at hand.
The amber saves lives but at the cost of lives... at the end of the day hopefully saving far more people than inaction would have lost.
But the whole process is shroud in secrecy, Walternate is lying out of his ass... but he has a good reason too. If people knew that their loved ones were suffering a fate worse than death, havoc would run amok. Riots, deaths, and the undoing of the stability amber creates. Lying is a must because people can be fucking stupid.
That thought process and reasoning, like I said, applies to the whole situation. Walternate is faced with the fact two universes, at least certainly his own, are doomed. He is doing what he can to save his. If he succeeds, no matter how many lies he needed to weave and backs he needed to stab, he would still be the hero of an entire universe. I find it easier to paint Walter the "bad guy" than Walternate.
Is he a villian, no, at least not in the evil sense imo.
Of course this is all atm, Walternate may end up being all evil and what-not, but I don't see him as that yet. I see him as a man who thinks he knows best and is doing what he can to save his world.
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Will someone please tell me this is a short lived retardation.