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The N Word Debate

scarlet st.scarlet st. Registered User regular
edited September 2008 in Social Entropy++
Well, I'm watching Dr. Phil here, and you might call me gay, but they're having a pretty decent debate between celebrities and other African American people about the use of the N word.

Mooney and a couple other black actors and comics are on alongside a white radio talk show host and they're debating the use of the word.

What's your take on it? I know we have a pretty low number of black people on the forums, but it's wroth contest. Is the word powerful? Is it a word that has any power behind it if you don't give it power? Is it a word that can be used as a term of endearment?

Is Mooney the most racist person in the room?

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    a good thread that i am closing because of administrative policy

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited September 2008
    Jim this thread is fine if you want to unlock it. Only the word is verboten, not discussion of it.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    maybe next time you can pm me so i don't miss it for two hours

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    i think rap music has totally ruined the offensiveness of the word

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  • ascotascot Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Depends how much you believe the whole "They've reclaimed the word" thing.

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  • WeaverWeaver Breakfast Witch Hashus BrowniusRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I used it a whole lot the night of the PAX dinner

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  • As7As7 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I don't know I buy that.

    There are plenty of black people around who remember what the word meant BEFORE RAP MUSIC EXISTED.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    It's pretty hard to use the word and not seem like a cocksucker.

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  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    i use it when i'm talking to my white friends

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    also we need Graves in here

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    i think it's silly to be tossing around a word as offensive as that so lightly, so I certainly don't mind it being banned here.

    Of course I'm being hypocritical because I laugh so hard at the Italian jokes leveled at The Nothing.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I think it's all about the context.

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I think the fact that you can say every other offensive word pretty much on these forums and yet not that one is somewhat ridiculously retarded. I know its like, policy handed down from the guys themselves or something, but its still stupid.

    But then, the idea that any word can be offensive is laughably stupid. How you use it on the other hand is a different story.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    I think that Nickleback should be the new n word

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

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  • YaYaYaYa Decent. Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    has anyone seen Chris Rock's latest special

    he has a great bit about when it's okay to use it

    not sure if it's on youtube so I'll just post the text
    There is one very specific time white people can use the n-word. If it's between 4:30 and 4:45 am on Christmas Morning and you are driving out in the snow to get your kid the last Transformers toy at Walmart, and just as you lay hands on it a black man hip checks you, steals the toy, kicks you when you're on the ground, Riverdances on your face and pisses on you, you are allowed to yell

    "SOMEONE STOP THAT *****!"

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  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Goose! wrote: »
    I think the fact that you can say every other offensive word pretty much on these forums and yet not that one is somewhat ridiculously retarded. I know its like, policy handed down from the guys themselves or something, but its still stupid.

    when dealing with a wide range of diverse people you have to add a weight to the words, you can't judge all words equally
    and, in today's society, the n-word is pretty damn heavy

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  • LednehLedneh shinesquawk Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Like every other bad word in the language it runs entirely on context, I think

    I personally don't use it (mostly because I'm a pussy about accidentally offending someone), but some of my old college mates used it with each other (some black, but mostly white), and everyone knew they meant no harm so it was all good there

    That all being said, although I don't mind the absolute ban I wouldn't mind seeing it go away, either. I think we're mature enough to use the word only when contextually appropriate (read: damn near never)

    Then again I could be a bit of an optimist vOv

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  • Goose!Goose! That's me, honey Show me the way home, honeyRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Me Too! wrote: »
    I think that Nickleback should be the new n word

    In that case, I nominate Wiggin for the best infraction for using the new N word.

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  • the wookthe wook Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I think the word is only as bad as you want to make it, but then I grew up in southern California and have never dealt with real racism on a scale larger than a few individuals.

    I also think that there are so many other words that could be used and people who do use it use it consciously and with intent. As opposed to say 'fuck' which I pretty much use unconsciously in my day-to-day speech.

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  • Grey GhostGrey Ghost Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing

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  • ascotascot Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Talking about it like seriously is almost always the most awkward thing.
    One of my classes was about social profiling and it came up, and talking about it with a lecturer and a fairly large group, ugh, it was so awkward and weird

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I think the most interesting thing, for me at least, is this weird catch-22 going on where it means something both good and bad at the same time.

    As if the African American community, as cohesive as any community may be nowadays, has not settled on a definitive opinion on the word.

    I don't know... I avoid it because I don't really feel like I have much right bandying it about.

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    This word is stupid. Racial slurs are always such pointless things.

    Besides, the word is dead and buried

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  • MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing

    Yeah, some people really think that.

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    to be honest i don't like any sort of ethnic slurs. cultural jokes are one thing, everyone has them and everyone makes fun of their own culture. but those single words (mostly asian for whatever reason) and the n word just sounds retarded to me and i don't think it should be acceptable for anyone to use them. being part of the community that is typically offended does not give you a magical license to okay the word. what, just because another black person says it, it's not offensive anymore? get the fuck out.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The reason it is banned here is not necessarily because of the word's weight and gravitas alone, it was that in combination with an absurd abuse of it's usage. More so than any other of the offensive words we use.

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Futore wrote: »
    Besides, the word is dead and buried

    No, it's really not.

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  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    The reason it is banned here is not necessarily because of the word's weight and gravitas alone, it was that in combination with an absurd abuse of it's usage. More so than any other of the offensive words we use.

    it'd be like opening a floodgate

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing

    Yeah, some people really think that.

    If it were called the Black Soul

    now that would be racist. It would even capitalize on a rhyming and rapping stereotype.

    edit: possibly the Blacks' Soul

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  • FaricazyFaricazy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1aNcd5cLm4

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  • CalliusCallius Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    potatoe wrote: »
    it'd be like opening a floodgate
    Were you around before it was banned?

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  • FutoreFutore Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    Futore wrote: »
    Besides, the word is dead and buried

    No, it's really not.

    I know I know. But I really did like that whole ceremony they did as a gesture. It would've been great if it actually held

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  • potatoepotatoe Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Callius wrote: »
    potatoe wrote: »
    it'd be like opening a floodgate
    Were you around before it was banned?

    if i was, i don't remember it

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  • TossrockTossrock too weird to live too rare to dieRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Faricazy wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1aNcd5cLm4

    ...

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Faricazy wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1aNcd5cLm4
    So what about if I point out that the guy's suit was black?

    Does that make me a racist?

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  • GoatmonGoatmon Companion of Kess Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Faricazy wrote: »
    Grey Ghost wrote: »
    Faricazy wrote: »
    ethnic jokes are one thing, but i don't think one word should be limited to just one section of the population, that's retarded

    and then there's the people going "BLACK HOLE IS A RACIST TERM"

    fuck those people

    w-what

    are you serious about the black hole thing
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1aNcd5cLm4

    ahahahahaha

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  • CriticalCritical Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Funny story.

    We have a fucking idiot supervisor working at my UPS hub. Tall, lanky, goofy white kid. Apparently he thinks he's "hood", walks around rapping to himself, etc. Tosses the N word out there once in a while, but only in front of other white people, and it's usually the version with the "a" at the end as opposed to the "er".

    One day he slipped. Was giving a black kid on my belt a bunch of shit since he was backed up a little bit, and told him "Just load your truck, n*****."

    The kid punched the shit out of him. Actually knocked him off the dock. And then turned and continued doing his work.

    He was reprimanded and was allowed to keep his job. The sup was suspended for two weeks.

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  • No Great NameNo Great Name FRAUD DETECTED Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    NSFW

    Chris Rock." rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpUSElgJcyI[/.url]

    <3 Chris Rock.

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  • As7As7 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Futore wrote: »
    This word is stupid. Racial slurs are always such pointless things.

    Besides, the word is dead and buried

    I don't know how you can say that.

    There are several generations of people alive, today, who were attacked by dogs, arrested, beaten, only because they were black. People who lived through apartheid in America.

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