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Marvel Noir: Why Didn't They Do This Sooner?
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I'm with you, guy. It's nice to see minority heroes in stories that take place prior to the '70s, like John Henry in New Frontier or the New American in American Way.
Mostly stories from that era are about white guys fighting in WW II.
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oh man
that would be awesome
Yeah, racism is kinda the elephant in the room that no one wants to talk about. We're finally far enough removed from those times for stuff like Truth: Red White and Black, The American Way, and Adam: Legend of the Blue Marvel to be published without much controversy.
For me, it has been suck to ok. X-men sucked and I stopped reading it after the 2nd one. Spider-Man was good until Peter became Spider-Man. I'm going to get the last issue to to finish the story. It is a little fucked that the were $3.99 per issue.
Does any one want to see the rest come out? It was solicited that a Daredevil, Luke Cage, Punisher, and Wolverine Noir books come out. Myself, I think Punisher and Cage could work if the writing was good. I'm not looking forward to the others.
But I don't know how sales were for the first two, so who knows.
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The remaining books might be good depending on the creators. I'm really hoping Cage Noir will be good.
I with you on both counts. I finished reading X-Men Noir and realized the only thing about it I found compelling was the pulp sci-fi Nimrod story at the back of each issue. I'm going to re-read them sometime, now that the whole story can be taken in at once, and see if I can make more sense of it. But it never really struck me as an X-Men story, since the X-Men themselves only ever seemed like secondary characters...
Phew, I thought I was the only one that liked that weird side story they included. On one hand it was so ridiculous reading how they described Nimrod's ancestry, from his eyes to his physique. But at the same time, I just decided to accept the writing style and had a few laughs along the way as well as the interesting aspects of the Marvel universe that could have been found in the story.
I just hate buying single issues, now. I only buy trades.
I wish I could pre-order them in a way that announced my support to the publisher (so they'd get "credit" as they go along, instead of suddenly getting it after the run finishes), but I can't find a way to do that.
If I could pre-order KickAss, Incognito, etc. in trades so that there sales would be appropriately high, I would.
I'm with you there. I really do love trades, especially cause they look better displayed in my apt on shelves rather than longboxes.
But at the same time, I haven't felt ripped off after finishing an Incognito issue, and I can't say that about a lot of comics nowadays.
I don't want to repeat myself, but I should amplify one point: if I were, hypothetically, to buy individual issues and trades also, obviously I'd be over-spending (not to mention having twice the volume of stuff to store...), which means it's an either-or proposition. Basically I'm trading off timeliness along against all the added-value of trades.
It makes me think of novels. Most (all?) novelists these days write and publish complete novels, as opposed to publishing the stories serially. So, that prompts a question for anyone who might have the answer for me: if, say, Incognito were just published as a trade instead of individual issues (meaning more lead-time before publication), wouldn't the same people still buy it? Or are so many people either splurge-buyers or test-buyers (who will buy an issue, but not a trade, to try it out) that the income would disappear?
Additionally, you'd be hard pressed to find any artist that will commit to drawing 100 to 130 pages (about the size of a six issue arc), a task that would take at least 5 or 6 months full time to complete, without paying them up front. Which is basically what you'd be asking of them with creator owned stuff. With a monthly schedule, the artist can get paid earlier in the process.
The problem with comparing novels to creator owned graphic novels (or even work for hire GNs) is that usually the publisher will sign a contract with the creator to write 1 or more novels with a guaranteed minimum payment. Creator owned comics are mostly self-financed, and work for hire GNs will not pay out nearly enough for creators to devote all their time for 1 or more years to creating the GN. Basically, the comic industry looks an awful lot like sci-fi publishing did from the 30s until the 60s.
Probably. But that seems irrelevant since Incognito, Criminal and pretty much everything Brubaker writes is specifically or highly suggested to be written with the goal of selling floppies.
Except that there is an Iron Fist for the era, and he is decidedly Pulp. Like OJ with added pulp Pulpy.
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Ya know, there was something that just felt off about that ending, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Robos, you just did!
Spoilers just in case:
Way to go, hero...
About Kraven and Goblin:
Daredevil Noir #1 Apr 8, 2009
Wolverine Noir #1 Apr 15, 2009
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Is Punisher Noir out yet?
Yeah, I know, I'm going with the easy ones. But theoretically, they should work the best, right?
Hopefully Wolverine will be pretty cool, as well.
Daredevil is already a very noir book. Reading the special brand of Noir did not feel any different to me than reading a normal issue of DD. Honestly, this felt more like a period piece than anything.
One of the defining aspects of this Noir series so far has been a grittier, grainier art style. But they already have this in DD so the style was nothing new. In fact, DD Noir's art seemed like it was trying to mimic Alex Maleev. This whole thing is all a bit redundant. Sure, I might continue to buy it simply because I love Daredevil and the story wasn't bad, but the whole premise isn't really anything new.