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  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    According to TPM, McCain just said on Spanish radio that he would not invite the Prime Minister of Spain to the White House because he is the leader of a country that wants to harm America.

    Apparently, he didn't know who the PM of Spain was.

    Man, I wouldn't want to invite Franco to the whitehouse either.

    How does Spain want to harm America, exactly?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Franco

    It's another "McCain is an old person" joke.
    And if McCain is talking about being aggressive against a Russia that hasn't been aggressive at all in 18 years, then why not be a dick to Franco?
    Hating on Franco would help him appeal to communists and socialists.

    Seriously. I would not be surprised one bit to hear some rabid red-scare type praise Franco.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    It really looks terrible. I think people are over focusing on Palin but this reflects very badly on both Palin for not cooperating and McCain for vetting her so terribly

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  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The subpoena thing works like this as I understand it: state legislature hands down subpoenas, technically the subjects of those subpoenas are compelled to testify. If they don't, they can be held in contempt by the state legislature, but the person in charge of prosecuting would be the Palin AG who wouldn't, obviously. Just like the Bush Justice Department isn't prosecuting Rove et al for contempt of Congress.

    But since the Executive runs the JD and this is would be mirrored on the state level, wouldn't that mean that it's incredibly hard for a Congress to get members of an Executive branch who didn't want to testify to do it?

    Apparently, there's not enough separation of powers. Or something.

    Shadowen on
  • TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Has anyone actually asked her about her position on her town's policy of charging rape victims for the investigation? There's really no good answer I can think of, so I'd love to hear what she comes up with.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Tarantio wrote: »
    Has anyone actually asked her about her position on her town's policy of charging rape victims for the investigation? There's really no good answer I can think of, so I'd love to hear what she comes up with.

    I bet you anything what she'd come up with is "Thats simply not true - that's illegal in Alaska." and no one would call her out on it.

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  • redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The subpoena thing works like this as I understand it: state legislature hands down subpoenas, technically the subjects of those subpoenas are compelled to testify. If they don't, they can be held in contempt by the state legislature, but the person in charge of prosecuting would be the Palin AG who wouldn't, obviously. Just like the Bush Justice Department isn't prosecuting Rove et al for contempt of Congress.

    But since the Executive runs the JD and this is would be mirrored on the state level, wouldn't that mean that it's incredibly hard for a Congress to get members of an Executive branch who didn't want to testify to do it?

    Apparently, there's not enough separation of powers. Or something.

    McCain is a maverick and supports the separation of powers and checks and balances.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    MOVE OVER, OLBERMANN, RACHEL MADDOW TOPS MSNBC RATINGS!

    [AND SHE BEATS LARRY KING, TOO]

    CABLE RACE, TUES, SEPT 16

    HANNITY/COLMES 3,136,000
    O'REILLY 3,060,000
    GRETA 2,908,000
    HUME 1,977,000
    COOPER 1,828,000
    RACHEL MADDOW 1,801,000
    SHEP SMITH 1,724,000
    KING 1,710,000
    OLBERMANN 1,635,000
    GRACE 1,166,000
    DOBBS 1,156,000
    HARDBALL 821,000

    yay rachel

    Zephyr on
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Shadowen wrote: »
    The subpoena thing works like this as I understand it: state legislature hands down subpoenas, technically the subjects of those subpoenas are compelled to testify. If they don't, they can be held in contempt by the state legislature, but the person in charge of prosecuting would be the Palin AG who wouldn't, obviously. Just like the Bush Justice Department isn't prosecuting Rove et al for contempt of Congress.

    But since the Executive runs the JD and this is would be mirrored on the state level, wouldn't that mean that it's incredibly hard for a Congress to get members of an Executive branch who didn't want to testify to do it?

    Apparently, there's not enough separation of powers. Or something.

    Well, traditionally people don't appoint their fucking buddies from home to head up the Justice Departments and the heads of Justice Departments are interested in, you know, Justice.

    Or, alternately: you appoint special prosecutors.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Tarantio wrote: »
    Has anyone actually asked her about her position on her town's policy of charging rape victims for the investigation? There's really no good answer I can think of, so I'd love to hear what she comes up with.

    The only response has been a message from the Palin Truth Squad (TM) which just said that she never supported it with no other info.

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  • SyphonBrueSyphonBrue Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    MOVE OVER, OLBERMANN, RACHEL MADDOW TOPS MSNBC RATINGS!

    [AND SHE BEATS LARRY KING, TOO]

    CABLE RACE, TUES, SEPT 16

    HANNITY/COLMES 3,136,000
    O'REILLY 3,060,000
    GRETA 2,908,000

    HUME 1,977,000
    COOPER 1,828,000
    RACHEL MADDOW 1,801,000
    SHEP SMITH 1,724,000
    KING 1,710,000
    OLBERMANN 1,635,000
    GRACE 1,166,000
    DOBBS 1,156,000
    HARDBALL 821,000

    yay rachel

    Jesus Christ, what the fuck America?

    SyphonBrue on
  • ShadowenShadowen Snores in the morning LoserdomRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Tarantio wrote: »
    Has anyone actually asked her about her position on her town's policy of charging rape victims for the investigation? There's really no good answer I can think of, so I'd love to hear what she comes up with.

    The only response has been a message from the Palin Truth Squad (TM) which just said that she never supported it with no other info.

    Jesus. I still can't get over that. "Truth Squad".

    It sounds like something that the bastard child of Tim Lahaye and Jerry Jenkins, and Terry Goodkind, would come up with for some hideous fundamentalist objectivist novel series that would run for fifty books.

    Gyuh.

    Shadowen on
  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    MOVE OVER, OLBERMANN, RACHEL MADDOW TOPS MSNBC RATINGS!

    [AND SHE BEATS LARRY KING, TOO]

    CABLE RACE, TUES, SEPT 16

    HANNITY/COLMES 3,136,000
    O'REILLY 3,060,000
    GRETA 2,908,000

    HUME 1,977,000
    COOPER 1,828,000
    RACHEL MADDOW 1,801,000
    SHEP SMITH 1,724,000
    KING 1,710,000
    OLBERMANN 1,635,000
    GRACE 1,166,000
    DOBBS 1,156,000
    HARDBALL 821,000

    yay rachel

    Jesus Christ, what the fuck America?

    Well, many religious conservatives also spend 1 day a week listening to someone read them a book that has been around for hundreds/thousands of years.

    I think they enjoy people telling them what to believe, and telling them again what they already believe.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    MOVE OVER, OLBERMANN, RACHEL MADDOW TOPS MSNBC RATINGS!

    [AND SHE BEATS LARRY KING, TOO]

    CABLE RACE, TUES, SEPT 16

    HANNITY/COLMES 3,136,000
    O'REILLY 3,060,000
    GRETA 2,908,000

    HUME 1,977,000
    COOPER 1,828,000
    RACHEL MADDOW 1,801,000
    SHEP SMITH 1,724,000
    KING 1,710,000
    OLBERMANN 1,635,000
    GRACE 1,166,000
    DOBBS 1,156,000
    HARDBALL 821,000

    yay rachel

    Jesus Christ, what the fuck America?

    Old people.

    http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/523708.html
    Maria Comella, a McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman, said Palin "does not believe, nor has she ever believed, that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence-gathering test." To suggest otherwise, she said, is a "misrepresentation of her commitment to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice."

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  • Grammaton ClericGrammaton Cleric Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm oddly attracted to Rachel Maddow; though I suspect the interest would not be returned.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    MOVE OVER, OLBERMANN, RACHEL MADDOW TOPS MSNBC RATINGS!

    [AND SHE BEATS LARRY KING, TOO]

    CABLE RACE, TUES, SEPT 16

    HANNITY/COLMES 3,136,000
    O'REILLY 3,060,000
    GRETA 2,908,000

    HUME 1,977,000
    COOPER 1,828,000
    RACHEL MADDOW 1,801,000
    SHEP SMITH 1,724,000
    KING 1,710,000
    OLBERMANN 1,635,000
    GRACE 1,166,000
    DOBBS 1,156,000
    HARDBALL 821,000

    yay rachel

    Jesus Christ, what the fuck America?

    How many people in the 18-24 demographic do you suppose sit around watching cable news?

    Lord Yod on
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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm oddly attracted to Rachel Maddow; though I suspect the interest would not be returned.

    Your suspicion is highly accurate.

    That said, it's a situation that many share.

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    And suddenly, it all makes sense.

    Palin's administration probably didn't pay for the rape kits because they contain emergency contraceptives

    Jragghen on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4456630.shtml
    While it was Sarah Palin’s first time to take questions from voters tonight, the man who credits over a hundred town halls in New Hampshire for reviving his candidacy was also on stage, taking over the role of criticizing the Republicans’ rival.

    “Sen. Obama said in recent days that he may delay his economic plan because of the adverse impact of his tax increases,” John McCain said. “We can’t elect a president whose agenda would hurt our economy.”
    REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY.
    But the running mates didn’t agree on every issue. When a member of the audience asked if Palin had convinced McCain to drill in ANWR, something McCain said he does not want to do, Palin admitted to trying to change his mind.

    "I'm still working on it," she said.

    “What do you expect from two mavericks?” McCain said by way of explanation on their disagreements.
    ARGH!

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  • seasleepyseasleepy Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Man, reading the response* from the Spanish PM to the McCain gaffe, my initial thought was that he must be a conservative guy for him to be covering for McCain like that. (He's the head of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, so not so much.)
    ....American politics has fucking ruined me for how politics works at the international level.

    *For those of you not into the español, my HS Spanish level translation: "It's logical that he had the necessary prudence [in being evasive about the question, presumably], it's an ongoing electoral process." "It's true that I haven't had a formal meeting with President Bush. [...] But that hasn't hurt the work that we've completed."

    Also: Barack Obama, still a photogenic motherfucker.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    seasleepy wrote: »
    Man, reading the response* from the Spanish PM to the McCain gaffe, my initial thought was that he must be a conservative guy for him to be covering for McCain like that. (He's the head of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, so not so much.)
    ....American politics has fucking ruined me for how politics works at the international level.

    *For those of you not into the español, my HS Spanish level translation: "It's logical that he had the necessary prudence [in being evasive about the question, presumably], it's an ongoing electoral process." "It's true that I haven't had a formal meeting with President Bush. [...] But that hasn't hurt the work that we've completed."

    Also: Barack Obama, still a photogenic motherfucker.

    He makes his suit look good. 8-)

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    SUSA New Mexico poll: obama 8+

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=edc4d070-fb0f-43a8-b19c-6b32c3ad36f7y

    that's more like it

    also there's a poll somewhere with mccain only up +1 in north carolina

    a republican +1 in NC

    what the christ

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  • JohnDoeJohnDoe Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    According to TPM, McCain just said on Spanish radio that he would not invite the Prime Minister of Spain to the White House because he is the leader of a country that wants to harm America.

    Apparently, he didn't know who the PM of Spain was.

    Man, I wouldn't want to invite Franco to the whitehouse either.

    How does Spain want to harm America, exactly?

    "José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero - Actions of his first government included withdrawing Spanish troops from Iraq, a controversial negotiation with the armed separatist group ETA, the creation of special courts to deal with violence against women, legalizing same-sex marriages and an amnesty for illegal immigrants."

    Truly an evil man.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/217702.php
    We wanted to give you an update on the post below where we described Sen. McCain's latest gaffe in which he seemed to suggest that he might not be willing to meet with Spanish Prime Minster Zapatero because he is among those world leaders who want to harm America.

    The story is already getting picked up pretty quickly in the Spanish press. And the way it's being interpreted in the Spanish press is that McCain got confused about the fact that Spain is a country in Europe, rather than a rogue state in Latin America.

    Our review of the audio suggests the same conclusion. In the interview, McCain is asked about Hugo Chavez, the situation in Bolivia and then about Raul Castro. He responds to each of these with expected answers about standing up to America's enemies, etc. Then the interviewer switches gears and asks about Zapatero, the Spanish Prime Minister. And McCain replies -- very loose translation -- that he'll establish close relations with our friends and stand up to those who want to do us harm. The interviewer has a double take and seems to think McCain might be confused. So she asks it again. But McCain sticks to the same evasive answer.

    This is obviously a story that's difficult to get a handle on because of multiple layers of translation and retranslation. So I would ask that those of you who are speak Spanish fluently to review this article in El Pais and the audio in the post below, and let us know any other information you find.
    Hehehehe.

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  • Lord YodLord Yod Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    SUSA New Mexico poll: obama 8+

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=edc4d070-fb0f-43a8-b19c-6b32c3ad36f7y

    that's more like it

    also there's a poll somewhere with mccain only up +1 in north carolina

    a republican +1 in NC

    what the christ

    Isn't Barr supposed to be a spoiler in NC?

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4456630.shtml
    While it was Sarah Palin’s first time to take questions from voters tonight, the man who credits over a hundred town halls in New Hampshire for reviving his candidacy was also on stage, taking over the role of criticizing the Republicans’ rival.

    “Sen. Obama said in recent days that he may delay his economic plan because of the adverse impact of his tax increases,” John McCain said. “We can’t elect a president whose agenda would hurt our economy.”
    REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY.
    But the running mates didn’t agree on every issue. When a member of the audience asked if Palin had convinced McCain to drill in ANWR, something McCain said he does not want to do, Palin admitted to trying to change his mind.

    "I'm still working on it," she said.

    “What do you expect from two mavericks?” McCain said by way of explanation on their disagreements.
    ARGH!

    The word maverick is going to be ruined for me until the day I die.

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  • ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Zephyr wrote: »
    SUSA New Mexico poll: obama 8+

    http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=edc4d070-fb0f-43a8-b19c-6b32c3ad36f7y

    that's more like it

    also there's a poll somewhere with mccain only up +1 in north carolina

    a republican +1 in NC

    what the christ

    Holy Shit, really?

    Awesome, my hometown is finally getting smart. The RTP (Research Triangle Park) has one of the highest concentrations of PHD's in the world, so that helps. Also, the minority population is fucking huge, and Obama did a nice get out the vote effort here back in the primaries.
    Lord Yod wrote: »
    Isn't Barr supposed to be a spoiler in NC?

    Possibly, we have a decent Libertarian, Micheal Munger, running for Governor and he's getting a lot of buzz.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    JohnDoe wrote: »
    MuddBudd wrote: »
    SyphonBrue wrote: »
    According to TPM, McCain just said on Spanish radio that he would not invite the Prime Minister of Spain to the White House because he is the leader of a country that wants to harm America.

    Apparently, he didn't know who the PM of Spain was.

    Man, I wouldn't want to invite Franco to the whitehouse either.

    How does Spain want to harm America, exactly?

    "José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero - Actions of his first government included withdrawing Spanish troops from Iraq, a controversial negotiation with the armed separatist group ETA, the creation of special courts to deal with violence against women, legalizing same-sex marriages and an amnesty for illegal immigrants."

    Truly an evil man.

    zapatero owns

    except for the amnesty for illegal immigrants thing

    that was kinda dumb because of the EU free movement of the people thing, some other EU heads of state weren't cool about that

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  • ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    seasleepy wrote: »
    Man, reading the response* from the Spanish PM to the McCain gaffe, my initial thought was that he must be a conservative guy for him to be covering for McCain like that. (He's the head of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, so not so much.)
    ....American politics has fucking ruined me for how politics works at the international level.

    *For those of you not into the español, my HS Spanish level translation: "It's logical that he had the necessary prudence [in being evasive about the question, presumably], it's an ongoing electoral process." "It's true that I haven't had a formal meeting with President Bush. [...] But that hasn't hurt the work that we've completed."

    You mean this is actually true?
    seasleepy wrote:
    According to TPM, McCain just said on Spanish radio that he would not invite the Prime Minister of Spain to the White House because he is the leader of a country that wants to harm America.

    Apparently, he didn't know who the PM of Spain was.

    What the fuck. Even allowing for not knowing the current Spanish PM (which is pretty inexcusable since he's been in power for four years, won an election this very year and originally came to power after massive terrorist attacks), I refuse to believe even McCain was senile enough to say that about Spain. "Czechoslovakia" is one thing, but Franco died in 1975, and even when he was alive he didn't give a toss about America.

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  • ClevingerClevinger Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    seasleepy wrote: »
    Man, reading the response* from the Spanish PM to the McCain gaffe, my initial thought was that he must be a conservative guy for him to be covering for McCain like that. (He's the head of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party, so not so much.)
    ....American politics has fucking ruined me for how politics works at the international level.

    *For those of you not into the español, my HS Spanish level translation: "It's logical that he had the necessary prudence [in being evasive about the question, presumably], it's an ongoing electoral process." "It's true that I haven't had a formal meeting with President Bush. [...] But that hasn't hurt the work that we've completed."

    My translation: "Please don't bomb us if you're elected, crazy old man."

    Clevinger on
  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Heh, anon got to Greta Van Susteren's poll on the email "hacking" issue. Someone managed to put Gurren Lagann music on the comments page.

    juice for jesus on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    What the fuck. Even allowing for not knowing the current Spanish PM (which is pretty inexcusable since he's been in power for four years, won an election this very year and originally came to power after massive terrorist attacks), I refuse to believe even McCain was senile enough to say that about Spain. "Czechoslovakia" is one thing, but Franco died in 1975, and even when he was alive he didn't give a toss about America.

    Our review of the audio suggests the same conclusion. In the interview, McCain is asked about Hugo Chavez, the situation in Bolivia and then about Raul Castro. He responds to each of these with expected answers about standing up to America's enemies, etc. Then the interviewer switches gears and asks about Zapatero, the Spanish Prime Minister. And McCain replies -- very loose translation -- that he'll establish close relations with our friends and stand out to those who want to do us harm. The interviewer has a double take and seems to think McCain might be confused. So she asks it again. But McCain sticks to the same evasive answer.
    It sounds like the reviewer changed topics, McCain didn't know who the PM of Spain was, and he decided to give a generic answer that made it look like he was either crazy.

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  • ThetherooThetheroo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Heh, anon got to Greta Van Susteren's poll on the email "hacking" issue. Someone managed to put Gurren Lagann music on the comments page.

    Bwhahahahahaha, link?

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  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Poll's timing out now, but I was wrong on the music that was in the thread over on the "hacker" website.

    Still they spammed it up good.

    juice for jesus on
  • ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'd rather have a president who has the humility to simply say "I'm not familiar with a Zapatero in Latin America" instead of mouthing off ignorantly and causing a diplomatic incident.

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  • NocturneNocturne Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Poll's timing out now, but I was wrong on the music that was in the thread over on the "hacker" website.

    Still they spammed it up good.

    I was about to go check it out.

    Then I remembered I'm at work, and you're talking about Anon hacking a website... so I don't think I'm going to risk it.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
  • juice for jesusjuice for jesus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Nocturne wrote: »
    Poll's timing out now, but I was wrong on the music that was in the thread over on the "hacker" website.

    Still they spammed it up good.

    I was about to go check it out.

    Then I remembered I'm at work, and you're talking about Anon hacking a website... so I don't think I'm going to risk it.

    Good choice.

    juice for jesus on
  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Comment by Ellen Meyer
    September 17th, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    Greta: something is definitely wrong with the vote numbers tonight. When I voted it was 99% for the political dirty trick. And I can see by this blog, there are a few morons out there. The left is definitely scared, as they should be. I guess someone has hacked into the vote. Sorry.

    ZOMG ONLINE POLL HAS BEEN HACKED!

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  • Armored GorillaArmored Gorilla Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    It certainly wasn't just a harmless prank, but at the same time, it wasn't politically motivated. Anonymous does shit just because they can.

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  • ÆthelredÆthelred Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Couscous wrote: »

    Does.. does that poll let you vote for both options at once?

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