PS3 Video Downloads. You can only download it once.
halkun
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Who's up for a DRM flamew^H^H^H^H^H^H discussion? I am. Let's see how this goes over with you.
Sony's movie download service only allows for one download with a single grace recovery. That means that means that if you download a movie, then delete it, you have to call Sony to allow for a one-time re-download of the content. Any more than that, and it's gone for good.
Now as opposed to sticking out my tongue and handing out lolsonys like a pratt, I want to bring some conversation to the table with my own story.
I was involved with a lawsuit against Sony. It was a little thing called Sony v Connectix to which I was going to be called as an expert witness. During the course of discovery, I got a real good eye-opener on some of the Sony's corporate culture, and from this, completely get Sony's attitude when it comes to this kind of thing.
A few years ago I met up with Gabe and Tycho at a book signing. At the time, Sony was readying the PSP emulator/PS3 launch, and I told Tycho that Sony would require a PS3 to allow for the PSP emulator to even work.
"They wouldn't do that," Tycho said, "They shooting themselves in the foot!"
The problem was I read the Japanese literature, and even though they didn't say the PS3 was required, it read as though you assumed it did. (This fact was completely missed by the U.S. translators).
The fact of the matter is this; Sony is a content provider. The only way you are ever going to get content from them on your terms is only over their dead, cold bodies. They must own the pipeline and will rather not give out content at all then lose content at a perceived loss.
The PSP was kind of a case study in all of this. Sony of America is pretty powerless to adapt to the electronics culture of the US. They are pretty much a marketing arm of SCEI. The dictate comes from Japan, and SCEA, for example, has to come up with a viable implementation here in the US. However, it can't and will not go backwards. Japan licensed the ATOK keyboard input system for the PSP, even though its a horrific input system for English. The reason why it was never localized to another input system was because SCEA was powerless to make that kind of design change, even though there was a massive cultural difference between the two input systems.
Anyway, back to DRM...
In Japan, the movie download system from Sony always had this kind of mandate. When PTV (The TV download service for the PSP) was going in Japan, TV shows had a 1 week deathclock where show you downloaded would be re-encrypted after a week and you were to delete it off your memory stick. One of the things that irks me so much is that Sony of Japan refuses to acknowledge that the IP culture in the U.S. is different, and it's sad that SCEA can't really implement it in something a little more sane.
Then again. I'm reminded of a debate that the EFF had with a particular Movie exec about the changing of digital media in the internet age.
"You are going to have to understand", the EFF said, "The wold is changing and you are going to have to change you business model to accommodate"
"No, You don't understand" the exec said, "You are going to have to grow up and realize that this is the way that's it's going to be"
tldr;
Let's talk about Sony's DRM policies.
Sony's movie download service only allows for one download with a single grace recovery. That means that means that if you download a movie, then delete it, you have to call Sony to allow for a one-time re-download of the content. Any more than that, and it's gone for good.
Now as opposed to sticking out my tongue and handing out lolsonys like a pratt, I want to bring some conversation to the table with my own story.
I was involved with a lawsuit against Sony. It was a little thing called Sony v Connectix to which I was going to be called as an expert witness. During the course of discovery, I got a real good eye-opener on some of the Sony's corporate culture, and from this, completely get Sony's attitude when it comes to this kind of thing.
A few years ago I met up with Gabe and Tycho at a book signing. At the time, Sony was readying the PSP emulator/PS3 launch, and I told Tycho that Sony would require a PS3 to allow for the PSP emulator to even work.
"They wouldn't do that," Tycho said, "They shooting themselves in the foot!"
The problem was I read the Japanese literature, and even though they didn't say the PS3 was required, it read as though you assumed it did. (This fact was completely missed by the U.S. translators).
The fact of the matter is this; Sony is a content provider. The only way you are ever going to get content from them on your terms is only over their dead, cold bodies. They must own the pipeline and will rather not give out content at all then lose content at a perceived loss.
The PSP was kind of a case study in all of this. Sony of America is pretty powerless to adapt to the electronics culture of the US. They are pretty much a marketing arm of SCEI. The dictate comes from Japan, and SCEA, for example, has to come up with a viable implementation here in the US. However, it can't and will not go backwards. Japan licensed the ATOK keyboard input system for the PSP, even though its a horrific input system for English. The reason why it was never localized to another input system was because SCEA was powerless to make that kind of design change, even though there was a massive cultural difference between the two input systems.
Anyway, back to DRM...
In Japan, the movie download system from Sony always had this kind of mandate. When PTV (The TV download service for the PSP) was going in Japan, TV shows had a 1 week deathclock where show you downloaded would be re-encrypted after a week and you were to delete it off your memory stick. One of the things that irks me so much is that Sony of Japan refuses to acknowledge that the IP culture in the U.S. is different, and it's sad that SCEA can't really implement it in something a little more sane.
Then again. I'm reminded of a debate that the EFF had with a particular Movie exec about the changing of digital media in the internet age.
"You are going to have to understand", the EFF said, "The wold is changing and you are going to have to change you business model to accommodate"
"No, You don't understand" the exec said, "You are going to have to grow up and realize that this is the way that's it's going to be"
tldr;
Let's talk about Sony's DRM policies.
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What the fuck is this shit?
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
Alternatively: I received a free PS3 once, out of some promotion for Goozex, and I returned it to Amazon for store credit. True story.
That's what I mean - you don't buy a new drive, transfer your content, and call it a day. You buy a new one. And if you want to watch a movie on your old drive, you swap drives.
Isn't that convenient and totally what is acceptable for the Center Of Your Digital Home? </sony bullshit>
Seriously, the PS3 is like a Jekyll/Hyde thing going on. I mean, there's Wipeout HD and other cool shit coming for it - and then they pull stunts like this.
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
More than once I've given serious thought to selling mine, as all it's done for the past several months is play BDs. It does a damned good job of that, but really, I could just add a BD drive to a PC build for ~$130 and use that.
Can trade TF2 items or whatever else you're interested in. PM me.
Unless it was intended to be blatantly arrogant and stupid and was meant to characterize Sony's attitude, but that didn't seem to be the tone of your post.
However while the DRM on the movies suck the DRM on the rest of the system is actually pretty good. You can download paid for games and content on up to 5 ps3s as many times as you want. And you always have the options of deactivating a ps3. So yeah I think its probably the Movie execs at Sony that are the real shit heads.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
My wife rented a movie on it. The SD quality was actually quite good. (Should be when you consider the file size.) Its a decent video rental service, but yeah I'd never buy anything on there. (Buy dvds, you can then rip, encode and do anything you want with it)
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
I did my senior thesis on artificial sacristy. There are actually companies that think the answer is simply locking down the content distribution channels. After the lock down then they can send things down the pipe in a controlled manner. That's what in their heads as a "changed business model". The idea of losing control of their assets is tantamount to stealing, and will do everything to make sure thieves are brought to justice.
In my personal opinion, I'm a staunch constitutionalist, I am also a copyright holder. I believe that article 8 of the constitution says exactly what it means.
If they passed a constitutional amendment tomorrow that said copyright is forever, I would be MORE than happy to shut the fuck up and let Disney have Micky forever. I just hate it when people wipe their ass with the constitution, and it irks me more that it companies doing it.
The "limited times" means that you are supposed to lose the rights to your shit so we all can enjoy it.
I like it put it this way...
John Lennon is dead. Elvis is dead. Ritchie Valens is dead. Why the fuck am I giving money to dead people so I can listen to their shit?
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Sorry, went off topic, I get riled about this kind of thing.
That's not really the problem, I do this on the Wii with VC all the time and I don't know if there's any recovery/transfer service. When the Wii dies, it'll probably all be lost, but it'll have been worth it to me.
The problem is an issue of "permanence," even if the permanence was an illusion to begin with. People (or should I say Americans?) don't like "5 uses and no more," or especially "one use and no more." I much prefer "until it breaks," because broken things can usually be fixed.
@gamefacts - Totally and utterly true gaming facts on the regular!
You much prefer "one machine till it breaks" over "5 machines till they break"? The ironic fact is Sony has the best DRM out of all of the game consoles despite Sony Video service having the worst.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
You would be really goddamn surprised as to just how many companies refuse to change their outdated business models, be it egos or luddite executives or whathaveyou.
just saying.
Sony has the most open non-BS platform of this gen, but when it comes to ye olde Movie and Music (Not even the option to REPURCHASE Singstar songs, hurf durf) the ancient tablets force our hand! THESE DOWNLOADS SHALL NOT PASS!
Such an odd state of affairs.
Doesn't MS allow infinite systems until it breaks assuming just one at a time? Granted there are some issues with transferring the rights (or have those been worked out?) but calling them up usually gets that fixed. Anyways, I had a HD fail in my PS3 after two months. I have have no intention of buying anything from a service that doesn't allow infinite downloads (to one system) with transferable rights.
Almost everything you buy is redownloadable and can be done from your account on any Xbox. It will only work when connected to Live if accessed from any Xbox other than the one that downloaded it, which can access it when offline and also gives access to any other profiles on the same machine. This permission can only be held on one Xbox at a time but which Xbox it is can be changed once a year to allow for breakdowns or upgrades. Free content is exempt and can be viewed from anywhere.
Sony's is better for games, but LIVE only allows you to purchase TV shows; movies are rentals. AFAIK movies can be redownloaded from anywhere if you're in the watching period.
@gamefacts - Totally and utterly true gaming facts on the regular!
Nintendo will transfer all your licenses for downloaded Wii stuff to a new Wii, if they're the ones doing the repair/replacement. They're pretty good about that.
also, they have infinite redownloads, not five.
you mean infinite redownloads on five activated machines. simultaneously.
Yeah its pretty clear that different branches of Sony have different ideas on things. The playstation group is (or maybe was when Ken was around) pretty open. But obviously Sony Music & Movies are some crusty old backassward curmudgeons.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
I read that as "cumdragons" and thought it was pretty funny.
ARGGH people still get this shit wrong. Its not 5 downloads its unlimited downloads to 5 machines!!!! And if you make sure to deactivate a machine after you are done theoretically you could download to infinity machines. (Though I'm sure a red flag would pop up at Sony HQ at some point)
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
Oh, look, two fresh envelopes with blu-rayz from zip.ca. Quel surprise.
On a side note: The PSN store is amazing for Jap account holders, Just look at the PSone games for download. It just shows how lazy the US and Euro PSN stores are.
The European store is the worst of them all. The US store at least has stuff arranged sensible with identifiable categories. I have trouble finding anything on the UK store because instead of labels like DLC, games, movies, it has stuff like family which means absolutely nothing to me.
It actually takes more effort to stick DRM onto files.
Too true, finding FPS stuff under the action/ adventure section instead of the shooter section is so annoying.
Also the Euro store has like 8 PSone game to download with such titles as Rainbow six, compare that to the Jap store which has nearly 100 PSone titles with stuff like Einhänder.
I did this week. The gf had never seen Aliens.
edit~ we rented. It's like blockbuster without the driving. I don't think I would buy movies through it though.
Well, I did buy the Firefly pilot episode, but just to scratch an itch; I plan to buy it Bluray when it comes out.
I'm not really seeing the problem here.
This has to do with licensing more than anything. Sony just can't take their backlog and release it like a "greatest hits" kind of thing. You then have companies like Squeenix that will refuse to re-release any of their IP unless it's under their terms. These terms usually involve grabbing TOSE and saying, "You mind slapping this IP into this cart/disc/DVD for us so we can put it on system X?". Square will never re-release under an old media. You will not find their old games in PSN, VC, or XBL.
That makes me a sad panda.
Oh well, we have that FF7 remake... right? It's not like the new engine is done or anything... RIGHT SQUARE? I'M TALKING TO YOU!
DON'T PRETEND TO IGNORE ME!
The problem in Sony's case is you can't back it up. If your hard drive takes a shit you are SOL.
Actually there are quite a lot of awesome Square and Enix titles on the PSN store in Japan. The Final Fantasy titles aren't on there but since SquareEnix loves to remake them for every other system It isnt so much a problem.
Also with Square titles in PAL regions a lot were published by SCEE, so there shouldn't be much of a problem releasing them here.