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Installing XP onto an SATA drive

RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
I am attempting this on a laptop. There is no floppy drive of course nor do I have access to a USB floppy.

I do have the following:
1) USB hard drive
2) USB thumb drive
3) Access to several other functional machines with burners

Any advice for the best way to proceed here?

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Get the drivers for your HDD controller(can be found on manufacturers website), get nLite. you basically copy the contents of an XP CD to a hard drive, then use nLite to add the drivers right onto the disc. You can also add SP3 right onto the disc, as well as customize the install so you don't even have to put in the product key on the install, it will do it all for you automatically.

    I'm too lazy to find links, so google nLite.

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  • ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    If you have XP SP2 on that disc, you should be ok. Before that and you should consider slipstreaming SP3 onto a new XP install disc. There are plenty of instructions found online on how to slipstream SP3 onto an install disc and will solve your issues. I just reinstalled SP2 onto my SATA drive with no seperate drivers this weekend.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    [strike]Use nLite and slipstream the SATA drivers into the OS.[/strike]

    so very beat'd

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Wow. I've never heard of this nLite before. Sounds awesome... I'm going to give it a shot now.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    I have a Seagate 7200.11 500GB SATA drive and I'm not sure what drivers I need to slipstream into the CD. I found a few different options but some of them wouldn't slipstream properly and I'm not sure if it's the right ones. Anyone else have to grab the drivers for this drive?

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    I have a Seagate 7200.11 500GB SATA drive and I'm not sure what drivers I need to slipstream into the CD. I found a few different options but some of them wouldn't slipstream properly and I'm not sure if it's the right ones. Anyone else have to grab the drivers for this drive?

    It's not your drive that you need drivers for, it's the SATA controller on your motherboard.

    but with SP3 (and even SP2), most of those are built in, unless you have a very old or very strange board.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    I have a Seagate 7200.11 500GB SATA drive and I'm not sure what drivers I need to slipstream into the CD. I found a few different options but some of them wouldn't slipstream properly and I'm not sure if it's the right ones. Anyone else have to grab the drivers for this drive?

    It's not your drive that you need drivers for, it's the SATA controller on your motherboard.

    but with SP3 (and even SP2), most of those are built in, unless you have a very old or very strange board.

    Oh yeah, duh. I knew that, not sure what I was thinking when I typed that. That was a very dumb moment for me. :D

    My board is a Gigabyte GA K8NS-Pro.

    This is the drive I would assume it would be: NVIDIA IDE / SATA driver for nForce3 series
    O.S. : Windows 2000,Windows XP

    But if the driver runs both IDE and SATA, I would expect that if XP could see an IDE drive it would see the SATA drives as well, and it's not.

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  • ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Daedalus wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    I have a Seagate 7200.11 500GB SATA drive and I'm not sure what drivers I need to slipstream into the CD. I found a few different options but some of them wouldn't slipstream properly and I'm not sure if it's the right ones. Anyone else have to grab the drivers for this drive?

    It's not your drive that you need drivers for, it's the SATA controller on your motherboard.

    but with SP3 (and even SP2), most of those are built in, unless you have a very old or very strange board.

    Oh yeah, duh. I knew that, not sure what I was thinking when I typed that. That was a very dumb moment for me. :D

    My board is a Gigabyte GA K8NS-Pro.

    This is the drive I would assume it would be: NVIDIA IDE / SATA driver for nForce3 series
    O.S. : Windows 2000,Windows XP

    But if the driver runs both IDE and SATA, I would expect that if XP could see an IDE drive it would see the SATA drives as well, and it's not.

    That page's descriptions are a little weird. I would try the Chipset drivers listed above: NVIDIA Chipset driver for nForce3 series (Included LAN driver)
    O.S. : Windows 2000,Windows XP. Those are listed under the CHIPSET heading instead of SATA RAID / IDE. I have a feeling the driver you're downloading is for a SATA RAID configuration, not just a SATA drive.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    No, no, I have a gigabyte board in my file server. It was the RAID chip drivers I needed - all Serial ATA ran through the SATA RAID chip and you configured it as BASE or something.

    RAID drivers, extract to a folder, slipstream from that folder

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    1ddqd wrote: »
    No, no, I have a gigabyte board in my file server. It was the RAID chip drivers I needed - all Serial ATA ran through the SATA RAID chip and you configured it as BASE or something.

    RAID drivers, extract to a folder, slipstream from that folder

    So I don't want the SATA/IDE drivers, I want the SATA RAID?

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    [strike]Use nLite and slipstream the SATA drivers into the OS.[/strike]

    so very beat'd

    usually I'm on the other side of this, call me happy :)

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  • DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    Then you did something wrong because there should be very little difference in size and certainly not even remotely close to not fit on a regular CD (I usually make a new one every few months and despite adding many drivers and additional programs I've yet to run into size issues).

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Dìrhael wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    Then you did something wrong because there should be very little difference in size and certainly not even remotely close to not fit on a regular CD (I usually make a new one every few months and despite adding many drivers and additional programs I've yet to run into size issues).

    Perhaps I did. I dunno. I slipstreamed it and then it was ~800 or 900MB. I need to try again when I get some more time, just kinda left my computer sitting there.

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  • DírhaelDírhael NorwayRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Dìrhael wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    Be careful when slipstreaming. I had this same problem (still haven't got it worked out) and my slipstream image wouldn't fit on a CD anymore with SP3 on it.

    Then you did something wrong because there should be very little difference in size and certainly not even remotely close to not fit on a regular CD (I usually make a new one every few months and despite adding many drivers and additional programs I've yet to run into size issues).

    Perhaps I did. I dunno. I slipstreamed it and then it was ~800 or 900MB. I need to try again when I get some more time, just kinda left my computer sitting there.

    It sounds as if you somehow ended up with both old and new versions of the files on the disc. The SP3 files should overwrite the old ones so when it's all done the size should stay pretty close to what you started with.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    If you don't want to slipstream, you could boot into the BIOS Setup, switch the SATA controller to "compatibility mode" and then use whatever XP install disc (controller will be detected as IDE). Then once Windows, Service Packs and drivers are installed you could go to the laptop manufacturer website, download/install the AHCI SATA drivers. Boot into the BIOS and switch the SATA controller to AHCI mode. You'll likely need one more reboot after this change.

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  • OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    The newest version of the BIOS should have the option to change HDD accessibility mode to/from AHCI. Then you can just install via CD.

    edit: beat'd.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    So I slipstreamed the drivers into XP and it still didn't work last night. :(

    Time to start Googling again. I'm sure someone out there has had to install XP onto a SATA drive with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard. I just wish they were easier to find. Also, I HATE ExpertExchange. Such a tease.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    You could always go into the bios and set your sata to ide mode instead of ahci. Depending on the age of the machine, you will still retain full speed and size of the drive, losing only the ability to hot swap which you cannot do with the os drive anyway.

    edit; beat twice.

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  • ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    So I slipstreamed the drivers into XP and it still didn't work last night. :(

    Time to start Googling again. I'm sure someone out there has had to install XP onto a SATA drive with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard. I just wish they were easier to find. Also, I HATE ExpertExchange. Such a tease.

    During the install, you did hit the F6 prompt at the right time to tell it to install additional drivers correct? And what version of XP is on your disc?

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  • wunderbarwunderbar What Have I Done? Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    ToyD wrote: »
    ArcSyn wrote: »
    So I slipstreamed the drivers into XP and it still didn't work last night. :(

    Time to start Googling again. I'm sure someone out there has had to install XP onto a SATA drive with a Gigabyte K8NS Pro motherboard. I just wish they were easier to find. Also, I HATE ExpertExchange. Such a tease.

    During the install, you did hit the F6 prompt at the right time to tell it to install additional drivers correct? And what version of XP is on your disc?

    if you slipstream the drivers properly you shouldn't have to do that.

    OP: Are you sure they were right right drivers?

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    My BIOS doesn't have the option of AHCI. It's simply SATA BASE or RAID. It's in BASE mode.

    When I hit F6 it prompts for a floppy. I have no floppy drive.

    The drivers I downloaded (and had to extract from the .exe file - ugh) were these because they are listed as the IDE/SATA drivers.

    CRAP. I think I may need these (and apparently I am BLIND). Despite saying RAID, they also say that these are the preinstall drivers. Guess I'm going to go for attempt #2 tonight.

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  • ToyDToyD Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Good luck.

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    I find it odd that Arc and the OP are having this problem with a gigabyte board. I just did this back in April with a Gigabyte board and it recognized my SATA drive no problem.

    I wonder why my board had SATA drivers on it and yours don't.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Should I put the SATA drive in RAID mode instead of BASE?

    And Justin, how old is your board? My board is like 4-5 years old now, so SATA wasn't really prevalent yet and drivers were iffy.

    Also, when slipstreaming my drivers, should they be in textmode or PNP?

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  • JustinSane07JustinSane07 Really, stupid? Brockton__BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Ohhh. I was under the impression it was a new board. I wonder what the OP is working with, since he hasn't replied to the damn thread yet.

    But yeah, the one I built in April was new.

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    So during lunch I discovered that the new cd I made was not right either. Upon some digging, it seems that a silicon imaging controller is actually the one detecting my drive. I have found three drivers on gigabyte website so trying to download them and will slip them in. Hopefully, I may be installing windows tonight.
    Other cool thing is someone at work put up an image of XP SP3 so I don't have to slip that in anymore.
    I may try to slip the audio and network drivers into a disc once I find one that works.

    Cool stuff, very frustrating for old hardware.

    Does nlite do vista yet?

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  • ArcSynArcSyn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    SUCCESS!!

    It's not enough to know what motherboard or chipset you have, but you have to know exactly WHICH Raid controller is controlling that SATA connection. ie: My Gigabyte motherboard has SATA/IDE drivers for nForce3, drivers for Giga-RAID, and Silicon Image.

    nF3 controlled my IDE Channels, GigaRAID was RAID for IDE, and Silicon Image (which displays for about 1/2 a second on the screen that shows my SATA drive during boot) actually does the SATA channel controlling. Then there was different drivers for during boot or in windows, and different drivers for booting a SATA RAID or SATA BASE.

    Currently XP is formatting my drive and hopefully later on tonight I will be happily installing all my programs back onto this computer. YAY! And transferring about 30+ gigs of photos and music as well as another 30-50GB of video. Once everything is set up, I'll be transferring all of my miniDV tapes over as well so I can make DVDs of my home movies instead of having them trapped on 20 tapes all over the place.

    YAY!

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