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YTLM #50 THE MYSTERY IS REVEALED !spoilers!

GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
edited October 2006 in Graphic Violence
Please keep all spoilers for YTLM in this thread. This is a big moment in the series and it's something people aren't going to want spoiled.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2006
    i can't decide if i want to buy this issue or wait for the trade like i usually do with y

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    It's a good thing there weren't actually spoilers in here before I clicked it and remembered what YTLM stands for.

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Did a wizard do it?

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I called "Dr. M" being Mann's father back when the ninja first appeared.
    BOO YEAH I AM A GENIUS

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2006
    Manifest wrote:
    I called "Dr. M" being Mann's father back when the ninja first appeared.
    BOO YEAH I AM A GENIUS

    wait was that the big revelation?


    i...i really thought it was supposed to be obvious

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  • hughtronhughtron __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2006
    That is a fantastic cover.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2006
    It was a relatively unsatisfying revelation (so far) in what was a pretty good issue. I just hope that the...

    [spoiler:ecc05ef0f6]Morphogenic field business was a red herring, because that's way too Animal Man-ish for a book like this.[/spoiler:ecc05ef0f6]

    ...but, really, the reason why what happened happened wasn't really revealed here. Just some more things hinted at.

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  • Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Points for choosing the name Ayuko 2. It's so much easier when you just have to think of one name.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Kind of disappointed that it didn't actually say why what happened happened, but rather who.

    Arg, this is why I wait for trade!

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.

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  • JordynJordyn Really, Commander? Probing Uranus. Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.

    Dr. Mann's dad used his army of clones. Duh.

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.
    I think we did, and no one has realized it yet.
    The morphogenetic fields thing is NOT a red herring.
    It's been alluded to at least two other times in the book, going as far back as like the SF arc I think.
    As it appears now, something happened to man's collective consciousness when Dr M cloned his daughter. My guess is that with cloning perfected the human genome "decided" that men were no longer required for the continued existence of the human race.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manifest wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.
    I think we did, and no one has realized it yet.
    The morphogenetic fields thing is NOT a red herring.
    It's been alluded to at least two other times in the book, going as far back as like the SF arc I think.
    As it appears now, something happened to man's collective consciousness when Dr M cloned his daughter. My guess is that with cloning perfected the human genome "decided" that men were no longer required for the continued existence of the human race.

    dingdingdingding

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manifest wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.
    I think we did, and no one has realized it yet.
    The morphogenetic fields thing is NOT a red herring.
    It's been alluded to at least two other times in the book, going as far back as like the SF arc I think.
    As it appears now, something happened to man's collective consciousness when Dr M cloned his daughter. My guess is that with cloning perfected the human genome "decided" that men were no longer required for the continued existence of the human race.

    That's a terrible twist.

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  • Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Yeah, I got that out of it, but I'm choosing to ignore it until they say for sure, because that's a horrible explanation for how all of the men died. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't make sense, considering that cloning is obviously not a superior method of reproduction. It decreases humanity's fitness.

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  • bobgorilabobgorila Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Dude, the only way this can end well is for Yorick to drop a load of peyote and meet Grant Morisson

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    It decreases humanity's fitness.

    How so?
    On a social level it's actually a great commentary. I sort of like the way that it's going.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    It decreases humanity's fitness.

    How so?
    On a social level it's actually a great commentary. I sort of like the way that it's going.

    The whole point of sexual reproduction is genetic variety which leads to greater survivability as a species. If it was better to keep genes the same then we'd all reproduce like bacteria.

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  • Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    It decreases humanity's fitness.

    How so?
    On a social level it's actually a great commentary. I sort of like the way that it's going.

    How does it decrease the fitness of humanity? The women who who carry genetically engineered fetuses develop fibroid-like tumors in their wombs. It causes them to die if their uteri aren't removed. It's not an improvement over natural impregnation if the person giving birth dies or has to have her uterus removed so she doesn't die, and therefore can't have any more children. Also, without genetic recombination (since we've only seen them make flat-out clones of people), the degree of variation within the genepool decreases and humanity is less likely to survive cataclysmic events.

    I understand the surface "women literally don't need men, so they all died" social commentary aspect, but that's what the entire story has been about. Every arc we've seen women who have managed to create somewhat normal lives without men. The problem with it in this instance is that the women who tried cloning failed, but the man who tried cloning succeeded.

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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manifest wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.
    I think we did, and no one has realized it yet.
    The morphogenetic fields thing is NOT a red herring.
    It's been alluded to at least two other times in the book, going as far back as like the SF arc I think.
    As it appears now, something happened to man's collective consciousness when Dr M cloned his daughter. My guess is that with cloning perfected the human genome "decided" that men were no longer required for the continued existence of the human race.
    but then why did at least three males survive? It's not still monkey poo, is it?

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    More importantly, why have all the males animals died too? How does perfecting the human genome kill all the boy puppies and such?

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  • Toji SuzuharaToji Suzuhara Southern CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    More importantly, why have all the males animals died too? How does perfecting the human genome kill all the boy puppies and such?

    Life is just a race to be number 1. When you cross the finish line it's all over and everything dies. Go team!

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Oh, and the learning things through our DNA thing? Such complete bullshit. Millions of people know how to do algebra, but that doesn't help out the kids in school. And even if it did, waiting for the twenty other kids in your class to do their homework would make no difference on a planet of billions.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Yeah, the collective consciousness angle needs to be a red herring. I hate to be one of those guys who bitches about one thing ruining the whole experience, but if they go with some crazy hippy crap that doesn't fit withwhat we've seen before as the final twist I'm pretty sure that'll be it for me.

    How exactly do you have a vaccine for collective consciousness? And how does species awareness extend across all species? God that'd be incredibly stupid. Please, PLEASE, let it just be one last feint before we get the real answer.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Scooter wrote:
    Oh, and the learning things through our DNA thing? Such complete bullshit. Millions of people know how to do algebra, but that doesn't help out the kids in school. And even if it did, waiting for the twenty other kids in your class to do their homework would make no difference on a planet of billions.
    Even if she actually believed in learning through DNA, I think she was being facetious when she suggested it could help Mann do her homework.

    In any case, Daddy Mann's hot stuff on the side clearly wasn't very smart (compared to her peers). I think she was only brought into the story so we'd think she was Toyota's boss.

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manifest wrote:
    Scooter wrote:
    Ok, I've read it now, so I can read this thread...


    Uh, I thought you meant we finally found out how all the men died.
    I think we did, and no one has realized it yet.
    The morphogenetic fields thing is NOT a red herring.
    It's been alluded to at least two other times in the book, going as far back as like the SF arc I think.
    As it appears now, something happened to man's collective consciousness when Dr M cloned his daughter. My guess is that with cloning perfected the human genome "decided" that men were no longer required for the continued existence of the human race.
    but then why did at least three males survive? It's not still monkey poo, is it?

    Dr M is the one who sent the monkey to Dr Mann. He knew the plague was coming but wasn't sure if he'd been vaccinated himself so he sent Ampersand to his daughter knowing that she'd be able to continue his research.
    It's been clearly established that Ampersand is the only reason Yorick and the baby are alive, I'm fairly positive he'll end up being the reason Dr M is alive as well.

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  • TerrorbyteTerrorbyte __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2006
    This really, really makes me hope Vaughan never gives us a straight answer, but rather gives just enough clues to give most of the popular theories some validity.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    What the hell? are you delibrately trolling?

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    What the hell? are you delibrately trolling?

    How is that trolling? His post was fucking good.

    I swear, some of you are just looking for a reason to hate this guy.

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Manifest wrote:
    What the hell? are you delibrately trolling?

    How is that trolling? His post was fucking good.

    I swear, some of you are just looking for a reason to hate this guy.

    Just because Terrorbyte doesn't troll some of the time doesn't mean he doesn't troll at all.

    I agree that he wasn't really trolling in this insatnce, but there are plenty of other times when he was trolling.

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  • GABBO GABBO GABBOGABBO GABBO GABBO Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Really, what it boils down to is that he's daring to argue with some of you, and as a result is being attacked.
    Stop being such fucking babies.
    Also, this isn't the thread for this. Keep it on topic.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Terrorbyte wrote:
    This really, really makes me hope Vaughan never gives us a straight answer, but rather gives just enough clues to give most of the popular theories some validity.

    I actually agree with you on this point. Something as good as the Y series shouldn't be an open and shut case. I hope that he leaves a lot of room for interpretation. It's that sort of thing that keeps things alive long after they're done.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Did he ever say if he had the reason for the plague in mind from the start?

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a bitch i'm a Registered User, Disagreeable regular
    edited October 2006
    I read Volumes 5 and 6 on Saturday, in like an hour. I borrowed them from my old boss. He wasn't finished volume 7 so I couldn't read that until today. He apparently got everyone at the store hooked on Y, even though I'm the one who told him to read it a while ago (when I was reading the first or second volume at work) and Saturday he was like "oh you read Y?"

    but then I read volumes 7 and the rest of the issues out today and I wasn't really phased by the reveal

    When her dad showed up I didn't even go, "oh another guy" until Yorick said "not another robot"

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Keith wrote:
    When her dad showed up I didn't even go, "oh another guy" until Yorick said "not another robot"
    Haha same here.

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  • KnobKnob TURN THE BEAT BACK InternetModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited October 2006
    Keith wrote:
    When her dad showed up I didn't even go, "oh another guy" until Yorick said "not another robot"
    Haha same here.

    Yeah, I went, 'Oh man, Alison's dad!'

    and a minute later I went, 'OH SHIT ANOTHER MAN'

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    they'll need to change the title now.

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  • Caveman PawsCaveman Paws Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    YKOTLM = Kind Of The Last Man

    The idea that perfecting our cloning technology/technique would cause the collective consciousness of the human genome to decide men are no longer required is seriously stupid on many levels.

    Genetic diversity aside, how would we be expected to be able to clone enough people? It's not like a state of the art cloning lab can be created overnight or anything. And if it was decided that men were no longer needed why weren't all the women turned into lesbians? I mean how cruel would that be to have all the men die off and be stuck straight? Who would want to live in such a world?

    It feels like this comic wasn't thought out all the way. It had a great idea to start with but now near the end it's like the author is scrambling to make something up at the last second.

    I'd go with a tailor made genetic virus that only goes after males, it makes more sense than what we've been handed so far.

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  • robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    YKOTLM = Kind Of The Last Man

    The idea that perfecting our cloning technology/technique would cause the collective consciousness of the human genome to decide men are no longer required is seriously stupid on many levels.

    Genetic diversity aside, how would we be expected to be able to clone enough people? It's not like a state of the art cloning lab can be created overnight or anything. And if it was decided that men were no longer needed why weren't all the women turned into lesbians? I mean how cruel would that be to have all the men die off and be stuck straight? Who would want to live in such a world?

    It feels like this comic wasn't thought out all the way. It had a great idea to start with but now near the end it's like the author is scrambling to make something up at the last second.

    I'd go with a tailor made genetic virus that only goes after males, it makes more sense than what we've been handed so far.

    I really don't think that that's the cause of the mass male extinction. Like I said, it doesn't account for all the male animals dying.

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  • As7As7 Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    The author throws possible causes of the plague at us every volume. I say just sit back and watch for now.

    On that note, will Volume 8 or 9 be the last, I know the series is ending this year.

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