[WoW] -adin is a suffix for all occasions. [Paladins]

Bigity

Yes, Nobody, 3.0 should have all the new abilities (70 and below ones anyway) and the new talents. Which specific tweak version of them is kind of up in the air, but paladins should have the new seal system yes. Thank goodness.

Dhalphir

new seals will be in yey

Nobody

thanks guys!

Mgcw

Glyph of Holy Light - Your Holy Light grants 10% of its heal amount to up to 5 friendly targets within 100 yds (up from 5 yds) of the initial target.


This is fucking win if accurate. Beacon procs this glyph twice, for instance.

EDIT: After 2 seconds of thinking, assuming it's supposed to be 10 yards.

Dhalphir

still, 10yds is a lot more forgiving than 5 yds, the previous glyph would basically only be usefulk in situations where you KNEW that one group was goin to take a lot of damage and had them stacked up tightly on top of each other eg Solarian (her moonfire attack) or Illidan phase 2.

Zandracon

Bigity wrote: »

Yes, Nobody, 3.0 should have all the new abilities (70 and below ones anyway) and the new talents. Which specific tweak version of them is kind of up in the air, but paladins should have the new seal system yes. Thank goodness.

I've been hearing about this new seal system, but never head any solid info, what is it exactly?

Munkus Beaver

All seals last 2 minutes and do not fade when you judge.

Thomamelas

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

All seals last 2 minutes and do not fade when you judge.

Also, Judgment the spell doesn't exist. No matter what seal you have up you chose one of three Judgments. Judgment of Light, of Wisdom and of Justice.

Dhalphir

Thomamelas wrote: »

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

All seals last 2 minutes and do not fade when you judge.

Also, JudgEment the spell doesn't exist. No matter what seal you have up you chose one of three JudgEments. JudgEment of Light, of Wisdom and of Justice.

815165

Also, Judgements are now on the GCD.

e: I think the judgement/judgment thing turned out to be some crazy uk/na/oz... thing

Munkus Beaver

Your seal has its own effect when judged, and the judgment spell you choose also has an effect.

So for PvE, you'll always have Light or Wisdom up on whatever mob/boss you face and for PvP your 'snare' is baked into one of your primary venues of assault.

Dhalphir

for most purposes, that doesnt have much impact, as you would always reseal after judging wihich cost a GCD.

the difference is that now you can't just accept not resealing and Judge GCD-free.

Munkus Beaver

Yeah, having judge off the GCD was rather pointless since you were almost always gonna reseal IMMEDIATELY.

815165

Okay, here is one change you don't have.

Shield of the Templar now also reduces all damage taken by 1/2/3%.

Critical Block is something we're still keeping our eye on. I'm not going to promise a paladin version, but it's totally something we'll consider if paladin blocking starts to fall behind.

Whoever said it, yes it's absolutely going to be a challenge trying to get parity among 4 classes with totally different mechanics, and in some sense the warrior to paladin comparison is the easy one. But we don't like having only one MT class, and we don't like giving everyone very similar gear, talents and abilities to tank, and we don't like the situation where you need a different tank for every fight because they all excell at certain types of encounters and suck at others. So the option we're left with is to have 4 who are different but relatively equal.

Dhalphir

This means that the difference in overall mitigation between paladins and warriors is now literally 1%. 9% Imp RF + Shield of the Templar vs Defensive Stance

So, uhhh...holy shit

Discuss.

Thomamelas

Dhalphir wrote: »

This means that the difference in overall mitigation between paladins and warriors is now literally 1%. 9% Imp RF + Shield of the Templar vs Defensive Stance

So, uhhh...holy shit

Discuss.

I think our tanking prospects for WotLK are quite excellent.

Dhalphir

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Thomamelas

Dhalphir wrote: »

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You are a strange little man.

Al Baron

Has anyone solo the Verigan's Fist quest chain at a 20ish level? I'm looking at WoWHead and it seems doable at 22. I have a funny feeling that I might want to wait to 3.0 in order to do it, though.

This is on Dark Iron, by the way.

JJ

You do have to go about at least part ways into Dead Mines, that naga place, and fucking arugals place.

Why the fuck can't I remember the names? So tired.

Anyway, I'd say soloing would be hard as balls.

PierceNeck

Deadmines, Blackfathom Depths, and Shadowfang Keep?

Mars

I soloed to the hammer in SFK at 22. There's a sort of gear barrier, which obviously isn't that hard to break at such a low level, that takes it from nearly impossible, to very doable. The first part is the hardest, each pull is one worgen and one wolf, but you can pull them to the entrance and leave to reset the pulls. Once you get to the cells, the rest of the pulls are mostly single enemies. You do have to eat a death at the cells, but if you talk to the guy first, the door will be open by the time you get back. Bring a stack or two of potions, though, you'll need them if you get a string of misses or receive too many crits.

BFD, you don't even have to enter the instance, the gem drops off the Naga in the caves beforehand. I didn't solo Deadmines, but the mobs are lower level, so I doubt it would be a problem.

The Muffin Man

PierceNeck wrote: »

Deadmines, Blackfathom Depths, and Shadowfang Keep?

Blackfathom DEEPS.

Yeah it bugs me too.



Alright, I'm thinking of going prot specced to fucking learn how to do it.
How's my gear for a fledgling tank/prot Pally?
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Farstriders&n=Traugot

NO MY SPEC IS NOT MY TANKING SPEC. And even if it's iffy as Ret spec, this is my first Pally past 30 so be gentle.

Also, keep in mind my gear is whatever was "tanking" based when there was no Ret piece available to me, or it dropped in an instance.

And I have Helm of Natural Purity as my "Ret" piece right now, since I'm a bit iffy about having a mail piece to tank...

Any spec recommendations would be nice, too.

Munkus Beaver

I am very confused, you seem to be specc'd in some sort of bastardization of tanking and ret.

I'm going to assume PvE for this.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sgZZVfcxhcuiIot is what your spec should look like, for PvE ret leveling. You're gonna want to fill out those talents in the ret tree completely then move to holy for the str and int buffs. I have no idea why you dropped one point into deflection, and there is going to be some disagreement on whether precision is worth jumping headlong into prot (I don't think so, since you're spending 8 talent points for 3% hit), but you're going to want fanatcism as ret for PvE regardless. One of my biggest issues before its implementation was threat, and Fanaticism drastically lowers your threat and gives you an extremely solid source of crits to get vengeance up quick and keep it up.

EDIT: Really, you'll be fine for a week when the patch comes out. Then I would suggest this: http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZZVfzt0IucMsTuAo for PvE and http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=sZ0xZVfzt0IucMsguAo for 70 PvE

Beyond Normal

Munkus Beaver wrote: »

and there is going to be some disagreement on whether precision is worth jumping headlong into prot (I don't think so, since you're spending 8 talent points for 3% hit),

Having kings is nice and getting 3% from talents lets you be a little more free with gear selection. But it wont matter soon since precision is getting nixed.

Munkus Beaver

Still dude, 0.375% hit per point is what is amounts to. Those first five points in prot go to total waste.

Beyond Normal

I'm just trying to justify my goofy ass spec.

edit: I mean this.

Munkus Beaver

No sanc aura? You're doing it wrong.

Beyond Normal

Oye, I fixed it jerk.

Munkus Beaver

No imp sanc aura? Why in the world would you skimp that? This is a pve build, right?

Beyond Normal

I know it's not the best build, I just like it so much <3<3

They never stick me with the shaman, so fuck their extra damage!

Munkus Beaver

For PvE, each point in sanctified skills increases your personal DPS by the same as imp. sanc aura. At least, in theory. You're not exactly gonna get dispelled a lot in PvE anyway.

The Muffin Man

Deflection was a misclick and I didn't feel like paying 5g to fix it.

Fanaticism...I dunno if I want 5 points for a single spell.

Also, that does not really answer my actual question. Like, at all.
On any level.

Dhalphir

You do want Fanaticism. Retribution's biggest problem in PvE is threat cap, with the burst nature of the damage.

Wavechaser

I have a giant raging hardon for Fanaticism. 25% crit on judgements (which will also proc art of war thx) +30% less threat?

Yes please.

Wavechaser

Retribution paladins
I can't imagine too many people think that DKs (Unholy I presume) and Ret Pallys are balanced. We won't leave things like that. (Source)

Fuck me.

Munkus Beaver

What

What

What

Balanced at 80 not 70 you jolly little fuckers

Wavechaser

I'm scared Munkus... Hold me.

Source

The Muffin Man

Dhalphir wrote: »

You do want Fanaticism. Retribution's biggest problem in PvE is threat cap, with the burst nature of the damage.

Well (I thought I said this, but apparently I didn't, weird), I'm not planning on raiding Ret until likely after the patch. At which case, fuck yeah Fanaticism is fuckawesome and totally worth it.

Wavechaser

So, any guess to what the nerf will be?

I'm guessing Judgements of the Wise, maybe Bladestorm.