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The Economist.com wrote:FOR those of us old enough to remember the 1980 presidential primaries, John McCain's suspension of his campaign has an historical precedent. Amid a bad economy, a hostage crisis and an official malaise, Jimmy Carter chose to stay at the White House to work for the American people rather than contend the primaries against Ted Kennedy. This became known as the "Rose Garden strategy".
John McCain is certainly old enough to remember the Rose Garden strategy, as well as the outcome of the 1980 presidential election.
The Economist.com wrote:In the words of Clay Davis John McCain is thinking short when he should be thinking long. If this debate ends up being postponed, over Barack Obama's objections and because George Bush called the meeting that Mr McCain asked for, that provides Mr Obama's campaign a sterling opportunity to tie Mr McCain to the president: not just in terms of policies and past votes, but by pointing out that the president seems to be taking direction from Mr McCain's campaign. Far from putting himself "above politics", whatever that means (and as a sidenote, if a presidential candidate disdains politics so much, isn't he in the wrong line of work), Mr Bush's move drops presidential politics directly onto what should be a legislative debate. This is yet another move from Mr McCain's campaign to seize the news cycle (cf Sarah Palin), but which will ultimately come back to haunt him.
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Tangentially, if this is your stance on Pakistan, then it follows that you agree that we need to pull out of Iraq soon because the Iraqis want us out within the next 18 months.
Also, in this case, I think the saying "I'd rather beg forgiveness than ask permission" is most apt. Seriously, though, Republicans are supposed to be gung ho tough guys. You're going to let a border and a little diplomatic difficulty stop you from getting terrorists?
Also, the new Pakistani PM is not all that popular and is backing off the Pro-American stance because of that.
Oh, right, you're the dude who has more faith in corporations than government services to solve people's problems, aren't you.
I have no idea how they earned that faith from you.
Obama's policy was based around the other government saying no to helping us, and stating he'd make surgical strikes Anyways if the evidence was good enough.
Fucking McCain!
I hope that is the medias response to this utter bullshit. Especially today since McCain hasn't suspended jack shit.
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Isn't McCain the one whose proposed policies would cost 300B more than Obama's while cutting taxes?
They are harboring the terrorists that attacked America. They have not shown sufficient interest in the last several years in doing anything about it.
I'm 100% fine with Obama's plan to strike at the terrorists where they now live. I'm 100% fine with Bush's co-opting of that plan.
I just wish we hadn't wasted all that time and money in Iraq that could have been used to finish this already.
Yep, that's me.
His stance on Nuclear Power is that the US taxpayer will insure the companies that build. Not a good idea.
If by better you mean "throw money and soldiers at it until I can come up with a plan", then you should redefine your idea of "better".
The fundamentals of our economy are strong. Wait, no, they aren't. We shouldn't bail out AIG. Wait, we should. I hate over sight and regulation. That's why my bailout plan creates a committee to regulate the companies.
Can't do that AND be supportive of the war in Iraq. Haven't you noticed that this puts us in a huge deficit?
You're not making very good judgment calls here.
Oxford MS was going berserk over it. Tons of people were setting up business and preparing. Now McCain is just gonna cause all of that to go to waste.
Hey look at Wall Street now, its the great American success story.
Wait a second. Scratch that. Reverse it. /wonka
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Honestly the most damning I saw was letterman last night. I mean he was flabbergasted by what happened and just savaged McCain.
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Letterman already slammed him for it, we'll see what the fallout is on other channels tonight.
It'd be hilarious if the Ds got 60 in the Senate because McCain pissed off the Republicans in Mississippi enough that MS2 went Dem.
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Obama wants to tax us to pay for stuff. McCain will just print more money.
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John McCain is just an innocent bystander and would really like it if those mean old people running his campaign would stop being so negative but, hey, Barack Obama refused to do town hall meetings so what can he do? Poor guy.
I'll grant that "big business" is a large label that encompasses a wide range of sectors: insurance, pharmaceutical, energy, retail, financial services, the list goes on. But my point is that when a bill reaches Congress that involves any of those domains, the captains of industry inevitably have greater access to lawmakers by virtue of nothing other than their immense resources. It doesn't seem to bother you that John McCain surrounds himself with people whose very job is to ensure that corporate access to lawmakers continues unchallenged. Again, why do corporations deserve that kind of influence?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/18/AR2008021802500.html
No they couldn't, the Charleston is too compact. Now, the flying Charleston, that's a different story.
McCain suspends his campaign.
They've just said that a deal on the bailout has pretty much been reached and it'll be on Bush's desk on Saturday.
McCain (as far as I can tell) is still in New York, or at any rate will be arriving shortly after the fact.
Now, we're in some kind of bizarre zen koan. If the economic crisis solution has been reached before you could actually suspend your campaign, but after you had said you did, did you really suspend your campaign?
When this is what we get when McCain isn't campaigning, just wait until he starts back up again!
Well, other than to make people think he knows what he's doing when it comes to the economy and potentially avoid a critical debate with Barack Obama where the subject would likely come up and he would need to stop changing his mind on whether regulation is bad but he supports it but there shouldn't be bailout but there should otherwise he'll look like an even bigger fool, not to mention that if Barack doesn't let the debate go McCain can then start saying he puts the country first war-wise and economy-wise whereas Obama wants to kills puppies on your tax dollars rather than put the country firstRUN-ON SENTENCE ON VERGE OF BORKING .
Other than that, I just can't see it.
Oh, and McCain wouldn't get to have his nap on Friday before the debate. Forgot about that.
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We need them to talk to us about how they intend to move this countries economy forward, how they intend to break the cycle of demanding 3% year on year real growth or decreeing failure, how they intend to work to improve the infrastructure of this country and to encourage long term investment. If McCain had said "I am going to ask for this debate to be solely based on the economy", or "I am going to ask for an additional debate, which will be designed solely to address the challenges of turning this economic problem into new growth for America. I am willing to have this debate in whichever format my opponent chooses" then I would have applauded him wholeheartedly.
As it is now I think Obama should simply be given the 2 hour slot to detail his plan for the country on national TV. I hope he responds with an offer to debate any other serious Republican.
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Your point being?
Yeah, and it'll be for the $700 billion figure which the Treasury pulled out of their asses.
It really depends if his campaign canceled their ads and I get a few merciful days without them while he re-orders them all.
*breates*
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Old news.
Look at any article about the United States and Pakistan in the last month, and you see a completely different story.