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Lamenting Same-Console-Co-Op

UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
edited September 2008 in Games and Technology
I know this thread or something similar to it pops up occasionally, but perhaps I can put a personal face on a generalized problem:

I ordered Assassin's Creed for the 360 a few days ago, and lo and behold I received it and the copy is nonfunctional. Bloobloobloo. Anyways, I'm sending this copy back but I do want the game, so searching around, I saw that Amazon has lowered its price for the game to a very reasonable $23.99. But, that is slightly over one dollar too little to qualify for free shipping. Ever the fool from whom money is easily parted, I decided to buy another $20 game to save 5 bucks on shipping.

What I wanted is a fun 360 split-screen co-op game for me and my friends. Unfortunately, this presents two problems:

1)Hardly any games have it and 2) it's goddamned hard to find out that hardly any games have it.

I know about the usual suspects: Halo 3, GoW, EDF2017, and I love them. (Army of Two...not so much)

Unfortunately, I cannot for the life of me figure out if either RS: Vegas or either GRAW have it, because their online multiplayer portions take such precedence that reasonable descriptions online of what can be done on one TV are impossible to find. Looking at the back of the box, you'll just see "Co-Op 2-16 Players" - which is no help because I know for sure that has absolutely nothing to do with anything outside Live.

TL;DR Do RS:V 1 + 2 or GRAW 1+2 specifically have split-screen co-op? Even more specifically, split-screen Campaign co-op? Is there another game I'm missing that I should try out?

You can also bitch with me about the slow decline of this source of good times.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    You can also bitch with me about the slow decline of this source of good times.

    Yeah, I'll belly up to the bar for that.

    Fond memories of four-player smacktalk on the Dreamcast in particularly awesome games of Chu Chu Rocket.

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I know for a fact that RS6 Vegas has at least a coop terrorist hunt thing, although I'm not sure if the main game features coop. I believe that GRAW has it too, but I can't tell you for sure.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

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  • XtarathXtarath Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Rainbow 6 has a terrorist hunt and you can go through the storyline in co op.

    Lot's of fun, I recommend it.

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  • jclastjclast Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Granted, it doesn't tell you everything, but the xbox.com page for games will at least tell you if the game supports split screen in any capacity. Here is the page for R6:V
    http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/t/tomclancyrainbowsixvegas/

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

    Great idea...I was going to pick that up at some point, may be the way to go.
    Xtarath wrote:
    Rainbow 6 has a terrorist hunt and you can go through the storyline in co op.


    I'm assuming that means the first one, right? Would that mean the second does at well? Is either one better than the other?

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  • CarbonFireCarbonFire See you in the countryRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Split Screen co-op Left4Dead.

    Unfortunately you'll have to wait till Nov 20th :P

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  • DarianDarian Yellow Wizard The PitRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    You cannot really go wrong with LEGO Star Wars, Indiana Jones, or Batman if you want some fun co-op.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Seconding "Get MS Points card for Castle Crashers". They're even on sale!

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I was offended when I bought Burnout Paradise and there was no local multiplayer whatsoever. That's why I liked Burnout 3 so much, you assholes!

    I sold it within two days.

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  • learntoflylearntofly Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    I'm assuming that means the first one, right? Would that mean the second does at well? Is either one better than the other?

    The second one has it too, which I personally preferred.

    Also, I thought Kane & Lynch was pretty fun co-op. Especially the 'freak-out' parts

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

    And N+. And Ikaruga. And Bionic Commando: Rearmed.

    Hell, that's a 4000-point card right there. If you only want to spend $20, either get Castle Crashers or pick two of the others based on how you like the demos.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

    And N+. And Ikaruga. And Bionic Commando: Rearmed.

    Whoa whoa whoa - those have multiplayer?

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

    And N+. And Ikaruga. And Bionic Commando: Rearmed.

    Whoa whoa whoa - those have multiplayer?

    Respectively: Yes, Yes, and Yes.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

    And N+. And Ikaruga. And Bionic Commando: Rearmed.

    Whoa whoa whoa - those have multiplayer?

    Respectively: Yes, Yes, and Yes.

    Be warned, though, that multiplayer Ikaruga can lead to a lot of broken feelings. And noses.

    Also, I believe that Tales of Vesperia can be played local multi, assuming it functions the same as in Symphonia. And then it's way beyond your $20 ceiling, but the ultimate local co-op experience is Rock Band/Guitar Hero.

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  • aBlankaBlank Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Basically you can't go wrong with finding local co-op games in XBLA. There's a bajillion (maybe slightly less) pretty awesome co-op games to play. Ones that weren't mentioned already:

    Alien Homonid
    Heavy Weapon
    Assault Heroes (I hear 2 is just as good but never played)
    TMNT, Golden Axe, Streets of Rage, Gauntlet for old school vibe

    As far as retail goes, Marvel Ultimate Alliance can be pretty fun. If you've played the X-men Legends games, it's basically more of the same. And I'm probably in the minority here, but I freaking love Dynasty Warriors games in co-op. It's generally not very hard but it's fun playing together and competing for the most KO's and shit :P Warriors Orochi 2 was released recently.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    DeathPrawn wrote: »
    Idea - Buy an XBLA points card, and get Castle Crashers.

    And N+. And Ikaruga. And Bionic Commando: Rearmed.

    Whoa whoa whoa - those have multiplayer?

    Respectively: Yes, Yes, and Yes.

    Quite exciting, this computer magic!

    Anyways, now I'm buying Assassin's Creed, RS: V, and two points cards. You guys have effectively saved me negative $40, and I hate you all.
    jk Thanks for the help.

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  • Eight RooksEight Rooks Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Be aware that R6: Vegas co-op - at least in the first game - cuts out all the briefings and story-specific events in every single-player map. You can play through the story co-op, but if you haven't played it single-player first it won't make a whole lot of sense. Not that it was the greatest story ever told or anything, but still, just mentioning. Also, two-player vertical only, last I checked (local, at least).

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  • zanetheinsanezanetheinsane Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    And the second Rainbox Six: Vegas fixes these problems, offering seamless co-op story-lining. The best way to play is to ramp the difficulty up to Realistic but set respawns to Infinite. When one of you dies, as long as the other player remains alive for 10 seconds you respawn at their location. As long as you both agree not to play like a sissy (i.e. one of you just sits in a safe place while the other person goes out and kills everyone) it's a lot of frantic fun.

    Also, N+'s multiplayer features allow you to play single-player maps with multiple players (all spawning in the same spawn zone) or co-op maps designed specifically for 2 players. You can play the cooperative maps with 3 and 4 players (they'll spawn with players 1 and 2) which can make the difficulty of some of the maps slightly trivial, as the co-op maps were clearly designed with 2 players in mind. There is also an amazingly good level editor in N+ that gives the game a good deal of replayability.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Don't bother with GRAW2's local co-op.

    It'll just rape you and your friend's butt.

    Over and over again.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Tales of Vesperia and Eternal Sonata both allow players to to control other party members.

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  • Bionic MonkeyBionic Monkey Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited September 2008
    piL wrote: »
    I know for a fact that RS6 Vegas has at least a coop terrorist hunt thing, although I'm not sure if the main game features coop. I believe that GRAW has it too, but I can't tell you for sure.

    Both R6V and R6V2 both have full, single-player campaign split-screen co-op, though the first game omits any kind of actual story. GRAW has a handful (like three) of missions that are co-op, but the vast bulk of the story is single-player.

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  • HadjiQuestHadjiQuest Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Mercenaries 2 doesn't have local co-op.

    Neither does the new Armored Core.

    This is the single reason I did not buy either game.

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  • METAzraeLMETAzraeL Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lots of good suggestions in this thread. I'd also like to throw out that Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (oxbox, BC) is pretty awesome for co-op, and probably pretty cheap. I found it much more entertaining than R6:V.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    split screen is terrible on anything but a huge television

    if you want to play a game with your friends on one tv you should play something that has both people in the same place at the same time

    like a fighting game. or bionic commando rearmed. or castle crashers.

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  • InzignaInzigna Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    split screen is terrible on anything but a huge television

    All of us know that sitting close enough will make a 20 inch look like a 40 inch.

    Note: Eye health not included.

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  • zanetheinsanezanetheinsane Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    METAzraeL wrote: »
    Lots of good suggestions in this thread. I'd also like to throw out that Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (oxbox, BC) is pretty awesome for co-op, and probably pretty cheap. I found it much more entertaining than R6:V.

    Also please note this: Splinter Cell: Double Agent exists as two different games. affectionately named Version One and Version Two by the development studios. The "next gen" version "Version One" for the 360 and PS3 are full of balls and only have online co-op.

    The "Version Two" Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, and Wii versions all have the same great local multiplayer that you have grown to love, all revamped. I highly recommend this version, it's a blast, and the co-op is fully featured and not some half-assed attempt. The cooperative missions are a separate "storyline" that fills in the gaps of Sam Fisher's missions and has you "assisting" Fisher in between his normal missions. It's polished and well-done, and not some sloppy mess thrown in as an after thought.

    Why the 360 version didn't include this I'll have no idea, but I was thoroughly pissed-off when I found this out.

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  • theantipoptheantipop Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Seconding "Get MS Points card for Castle Crashers". They're even on sale!

    Where are they on sale?

    To the OP, if you're even a little bit of a fighter fan, Soul Calibur 4 is a pretty good one. I'm not a huge fighter player by any means, but my friend picked it up and it's underreliance on complex combos and good art make it a lot of fun for casual 2 player head to heads. I'm personally waiting till I can pick it up for $40 or so, but it's pretty good.

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    R6:Vegas has some of my favorite same-console co-op.

    It's hard to beat approaching a room, one of you gets a camera under the door to check the room, plotting and executing your entry. When it all goes smoothly, that is.

    You and your friend have to not be retarded, though. Or at least, not be too impatient, the game is pretty hard, and you can't just blaze your way through most parts. Recommend playing on a higher difficulty for that extra feeling of teamwork and accomplishment.


    edit: It should be mentioned that Call of Duty 5 is supposed to have a full co-op campaign, I'm not sure on the details, but watch out for that.

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  • DietarySupplementDietarySupplement Still not approved by the FDA Dublin, OHRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    split screen is terrible on anything but a huge television

    In college, we played four-player Goldeneye on a 34 inch TUBE TV. No one complained.

    Also: doesn't Civ: Revolution have local MP?

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Cloudman wrote: »
    I was offended when I bought Burnout Paradise and there was no local multiplayer whatsoever. That's why I liked Burnout 3 so much, you assholes!

    I sold it within two days.

    that and a lack of retry is why I never even bought the game.

    I'll just stick with Burnout revenge.

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lunker wrote: »
    Be warned, though, that multiplayer Ikaruga can lead to a lot of broken feelings. And noses.

    I figured he's Googled the games, so he knows what he's in for with Ikaruga. But here's something they won't tell you - your ships can collide with each other. It doesn't blow you both up, but you'll bump each other. Probably into bullets, enemies, or walls. Thus leading to the aforementioned broken feelings/noses.

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    split screen is terrible on anything but a huge television

    In college, we played four-player Goldeneye on a 34 inch TUBE TV. No one complained.

    Also: doesn't Civ: Revolution have local MP?

    I think our record was playing 4p Goldeneye on one of those old 5" portable tv's.

    You have to do what you can when you're stuck at family reunions. D:

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  • PeregrineFalconPeregrineFalcon Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Crashmo wrote: »
    split screen is terrible on anything but a huge television

    In college, we played four-player Goldeneye on a 34 inch TUBE TV. No one complained.

    Also: doesn't Civ: Revolution have local MP?

    I think our record was playing 4p Goldeneye on one of those old 5" portable tv's.

    You have to do what you can when you're stuck at family reunions. D:

    In black and white, while walking uphill both ways, and one of you had to carry the N64 so he could only use one hand? :P

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  • CrashmoCrashmo Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Crashmo wrote: »
    split screen is terrible on anything but a huge television

    In college, we played four-player Goldeneye on a 34 inch TUBE TV. No one complained.

    Also: doesn't Civ: Revolution have local MP?

    I think our record was playing 4p Goldeneye on one of those old 5" portable tv's.

    You have to do what you can when you're stuck at family reunions. D:

    In black and white, while walking uphill both ways, and one of you had to carry the N64 so he could only use one hand? :P

    You forgot barefoot, in waist-deep snow.

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  • theantipoptheantipop Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Lunker wrote: »
    Be warned, though, that multiplayer Ikaruga can lead to a lot of broken feelings. And noses.

    I figured he's Googled the games, so he knows what he's in for with Ikaruga. But here's something they won't tell you - your ships can collide with each other. It doesn't blow you both up, but you'll bump each other. Probably into bullets, enemies, or walls. Thus leading to the aforementioned broken feelings/noses.

    Oh god, this reminds me of Streets of Rage. My aforementioned friend picked up SoR2 on the VC. After about 15 minutes of playing the game all srs bsns, I get him locked into a corner of the screen by repeatedly kicking him until he died. From then on it was a game of who could kill whom while avoiding the enemies the game threw at you.

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  • UltimanecatUltimanecat Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Yeah, I'm not really that clueless about games (or at least I'd like to think so) but I started getting confused about multiplayer options back on the original Xbox - you'd read one thing on the back of the package, and then realize when you got home that it was only referring to Live or System Link (fine options, but I do have real life friends that enjoy gaming).

    Games like fighting games and competitive Halo are fun, too, but invariably someone in my circle of friends is just plain better, and it gets a bit boring for everybody. I used to play SC on the DC, and was pretty much untouchable to most of my friends - and then we'd play Virtua Tennis and another person would scandalize me and everyone else repeatedly. So, we've moved on to co-op (and Smash Bros., and GH/RB) as a way for us to get together and everybody can have fun without worrying too much about skill level.

    And really, if any system actually should have split-screen multi, it should be the 360/PS3. If you're hooking them up to the huge HDTV's they are designed for, then it's probably the first time in history that split screens can look great and be perfectly playable...but alas, no dice.

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  • K7 AvengerK7 Avenger __BANNED USERS regular
    edited September 2008
    Castle Crashers, Bionic Commando and GeoWars 2 have restored my faith in same-screen co-op.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    It bothers me when a game features co-op as a core feature, but doesn't actually function on one console. Too Human comes to mind. This might be a case of being an old fart, but I've never been able to get into online multiplayer in anything other than an MMO. I hate, hate, hate voicechat, and I always find it more enjoyable to sit in the same room with the person I'm playing multiplayer with, even if I'm playing with that same person in an online game.

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  • ArrathArrath Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Inzigna wrote: »
    Don't bother with GRAW2's local co-op.

    It'll just rape you and your friend's butt.

    Over and over again.

    GRAW(1) and, lets be honest, all the GR's as well. They are much like Terrorist Hunt in RS:V, fun, frantic, but hard as shit.

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