Oddly there's no thread on this and it happened a good few hours ago.
SpaceX was founded by one of the PayPal founders and has been developing partially reusable spacerockets. This is the fourth attempt at getting something up and they've finally done it. What is strange is that this story hasn't really been picked up anywhere, a private company putting something in space is very big news as it opens the way for a whole lot of cool stuff.
So, hopefully this is going to spur a renewed interest in space and the government space agencies (NASA, CNSA, the ESA etc.) will stop becoming horrible black holes of money that achieve nothing. NASA are actually looking at using one of SpaceX's rockets for use in their own missions, although ideally we'd get a situation where there is private space exploration rather than just having private companies supplying governments.
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edited September 2008
The audio was somewhat crap, but that's still awesome. Now we just have to convince companies like Mitsubishi and whatnot to start building colonization equipment and launch it to Mars like it was foretold.
Let's just load a ship up with bacteria and crash land it on Mars. You know, the way it happened for Earth.
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edited September 2008
It's a bit nippy for bacteria. We can offset our CO2 by dumping it all there, we'll just need a huge pipe stretching between the two planets.
As I mentioned the last time we had a thread which got on to Mars colonisation, travelling to Mars and back with a standard crew of eight or so entails a very high chance of somebody needing invasive surgery just from the statistics. So you need a surgeon (as you can't use robots with remote control due to light taking several minutes to travel between Mars and Earth), actually you need two in case the surgeon is the one who needs surgery. And then you've got problems with the blood, as once you cut somebody without any gravity the blood will pour out over their skin. So we need one of those big rotating spaceships, which means we need to assemble it in orbit.
Essentially, we're a long way off. Why this is still amazing though is for things like getting huge solar panels constructed in space. Much like fusion power I'm pretty sure we've got all the science for that sorted out, we just need to fix the engineering (which is a major obstacle, but should be achievable with enough investment). And then hurray, as we get to have one of those whatjamacallits where everything fundamentally changes as we've got unlimited energy and can afford to "waste" it (much like how computers changed the world once we were able to start "waste" bits on things like user interfaces).
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Only a bit - that's the idea of sending a broad spread. Go nab some from vaguely similar environments across the Earth, load it up and shoot it on over and see if anything sticks.
Also you don't need solar panels in space, you really just need large-ish parabolic mirrors and then you build your collectors on the ground.
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Mojo_JojoWe are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourseRegistered Userregular
edited September 2008
Do we really want to focus large areas of sunlight down on to much smaller solar collectors? That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
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Do we really want to focus large areas of sunlight down on to much smaller solar collectors? That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
It's more efficient. I mean what are you going to do with solar panels in space? You're going to have to turn it into EM again and focus it down on some type of collector. This way is just cutting the expense and upping the efficiency. You wouldn't even need to use conventional solar panels - solar thermal would work just fine.
Plus, everyone knows it's high time we scrapped the airforce in favor of Prometheus's Hammer.
Could a space-based mirror even do appreciable damage on the surface without the mirror being absolutely enormous?
if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
Could a space-based mirror even do appreciable damage on the surface without the mirror being absolutely enormous?
if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
What? Why would the focus have to be close? Just vary the shape of the mirror to change it.
I wish I could get a job in the commercial space flight industry...but I'm not in the proper location, have no engineering/technical experience... So that's probably not going to happen.
I better be able to go in to space before I die. MAKE IT HAPPEN SPACEX!
Could a space-based mirror even do appreciable damage on the surface without the mirror being absolutely enormous?
if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
What? Why would the focus have to be close? Just vary the shape of the mirror to change it.
relatively close I mean. To make it focus on something on the earth from LEO the mirror would have to be fairly huge in order to be effective.
Could a space-based mirror even do appreciable damage on the surface without the mirror being absolutely enormous?
if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
What? Why would the focus have to be close? Just vary the shape of the mirror to change it.
relatively close I mean. To make it focus on something on the earth from LEO the mirror would have to be fairly huge in order to be effective.
If I remember correctly though, can't you simply build the curvature of a hypothetical larger parabola over a small area?
Could a space-based mirror even do appreciable damage on the surface without the mirror being absolutely enormous?
if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
What? Why would the focus have to be close? Just vary the shape of the mirror to change it.
relatively close I mean. To make it focus on something on the earth from LEO the mirror would have to be fairly huge in order to be effective.
If I remember correctly though, can't you simply build the curvature of a hypothetical larger parabola over a small area?
From what I recall, it's not as effective. Plus this strays from the original point that a Parabolic lens used as a solar collector won't accidentally become a death ray if hit by a piece of space debris, a-la Futurama.
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edited September 2008
This probably won't make a difference. NASA likes to kill private space initiatives by announcing major (but never realized) new launch vehicles and such.
This probably won't make a difference. NASA likes to kill private space initiatives by announcing major (but never realized) new launch vehicles and such.
Has there ever been a serious, successful attempt at a private orbital spacelaunch before?
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This probably won't make a difference. NASA likes to kill private space initiatives by announcing major (but never realized) new launch vehicles and such.
NASA have announced they are going to start using one of SpaceX's rockets already.
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Could a space-based mirror even do appreciable damage on the surface without the mirror being absolutely enormous?
if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
What? Why would the focus have to be close? Just vary the shape of the mirror to change it.
relatively close I mean. To make it focus on something on the earth from LEO the mirror would have to be fairly huge in order to be effective.
If I remember correctly though, can't you simply build the curvature of a hypothetical larger parabola over a small area?
From what I recall, it's not as effective. Plus this strays from the original point that a Parabolic lens used as a solar collector won't accidentally become a death ray if hit by a piece of space debris, a-la Futurama.
You're reflecting about the same amount of sunlight and focusing it on about the same area so it's about as effective. On earth it gets steadily less effective as you try to push the focal point further out because the light has to travel through more air so you can't focus it as well.
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This probably won't make a difference. NASA likes to kill private space initiatives by announcing major (but never realized) new launch vehicles and such.
NASA have announced they are going to start using one of SpaceX's rockets already.
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As I mentioned the last time we had a thread which got on to Mars colonisation, travelling to Mars and back with a standard crew of eight or so entails a very high chance of somebody needing invasive surgery just from the statistics. So you need a surgeon (as you can't use robots with remote control due to light taking several minutes to travel between Mars and Earth), actually you need two in case the surgeon is the one who needs surgery. And then you've got problems with the blood, as once you cut somebody without any gravity the blood will pour out over their skin. So we need one of those big rotating spaceships, which means we need to assemble it in orbit.
Essentially, we're a long way off. Why this is still amazing though is for things like getting huge solar panels constructed in space. Much like fusion power I'm pretty sure we've got all the science for that sorted out, we just need to fix the engineering (which is a major obstacle, but should be achievable with enough investment). And then hurray, as we get to have one of those whatjamacallits where everything fundamentally changes as we've got unlimited energy and can afford to "waste" it (much like how computers changed the world once we were able to start "waste" bits on things like user interfaces).
Also you don't need solar panels in space, you really just need large-ish parabolic mirrors and then you build your collectors on the ground.
Plus, everyone knows it's high time we scrapped the airforce in favor of Prometheus's Hammer.
Well, you'd need a lot of diamonds, obviously.
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if it's parabolic? No. The optimum focal point would be fairly close to the mirror and will disperse in to harmless light a short distance away. So it's rather impractical as a death ray.
I wish I could get a job in the commercial space flight industry...but I'm not in the proper location, have no engineering/technical experience... So that's probably not going to happen.
I better be able to go in to space before I die. MAKE IT HAPPEN SPACEX!
relatively close I mean. To make it focus on something on the earth from LEO the mirror would have to be fairly huge in order to be effective.
From what I recall, it's not as effective. Plus this strays from the original point that a Parabolic lens used as a solar collector won't accidentally become a death ray if hit by a piece of space debris, a-la Futurama.
You're reflecting about the same amount of sunlight and focusing it on about the same area so it's about as effective. On earth it gets steadily less effective as you try to push the focal point further out because the light has to travel through more air so you can't focus it as well.
SpaceX is playing right into their hands!