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O.J. Simpson found guilty of murd...armed robbery

DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy EaterRight behind you...Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Thirteen years to the days that O.J. Simpson was acquitted for murdering his ex-wife and Ron Goldman, he was found guilty on all counts in the armed robbery case in Las Vegas in 2007. It is speculated that he may spend the rest of his life in prison over this.

There was a debate in the news media when this broke last year about whether the trial was going to be for the armed robbery or if he was really being retried for murder, as many people, including myself, believed he was guilty and the case was bungled by the prosecutors and the judge by turning it into a media circus. This was part of the defense used in this trial as there were apparently some comments by investigators that were recorded at the scene.

Justice served? Is he in actuality getting a long overdue punishment?

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  • ZzuluZzulu Registered User regular
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  • DalbozDalboz Resident Puppy Eater Right behind you...Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    He was acquitted of murder, but there was a public perception that he was still guilty and was acquitted because the whole trial had been run like a circus. After the acquittal, he was being asked to leave from restaurants and other public place and establishments because other patrons complained about his presence there as disturbing because they believed he was a murderer and wrongfully acquitted (as opposed to when people are wrongfully convicted). So when he was arrested last year on armed robbery and kidnapping charges, there was speculation that while going to trial for those charges, the murder trial was going to come back up and he would be essentially put on trial for murder again by people who believed that he got away with murder. Hence why some people may view his forthcoming imprisonment as being punishment that is long overdue.

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  • Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    He was acquitted of murder. Why should it be considered overdue punishment?

    Because he was found liable at the civil trial for the deaths?

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  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Dalboz wrote: »
    He was acquitted of murder, but there was a public perception that he was still guilty and was acquitted because the whole trial had been run like a circus. After the acquittal, he was being asked to leave from restaurants and other public place and establishments because other patrons complained about his presence there as disturbing because they believed he was a murderer and wrongfully acquitted (as opposed to when people are wrongfully convicted). So when he was arrested last year on armed robbery and kidnapping charges, there was speculation that while going to trial for those charges, the murder trial was going to come back up and he would be essentially put on trial for murder again by people who believed that he got away with murder. Hence why some people may view his forthcoming imprisonment as being punishment that is long overdue.

    We have a criminal justice system to decide these things. Public opinion is irrelevant. Regardless of the outcome of the OJ case, I infinitely prefer it this way.
    Because he was found liable at the civil trial for the deaths?

    Liable != Guilty

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Dalboz wrote: »
    He was acquitted of murder, but there was a public perception that he was still guilty and was acquitted because the whole trial had been run like a circus. After the acquittal, he was being asked to leave from restaurants and other public place and establishments because other patrons complained about his presence there as disturbing because they believed he was a murderer and wrongfully acquitted (as opposed to when people are wrongfully convicted). So when he was arrested last year on armed robbery and kidnapping charges, there was speculation that while going to trial for those charges, the murder trial was going to come back up and he would be essentially put on trial for murder again by people who believed that he got away with murder. Hence why some people may view his forthcoming imprisonment as being punishment that is long overdue.
    He would not have been tried for murder again, ever.

    Not.

    Ever.

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  • ZeroCowZeroCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Thirteen years to the days that O.J. Simpson was acquitted for murdering his ex-wife and Ron Goldman, he was found guilty on all counts in the armed robbery case in Las Vegas in 2007. It is speculated that he may spend the rest of his life in prison over this.

    There was a debate in the news media when this broke last year about whether the trial was going to be for the armed robbery or if he was really being retried for murder, as many people, including myself, believed he was guilty and the case was bungled by the prosecutors and the judge by turning it into a media circus. This was part of the defense used in this trial as there were apparently some comments by investigators that were recorded at the scene.

    Justice served? Is he in actuality getting a long overdue punishment?

    Justice served for armed robbery...yes.

    And saying that it is a long overdue punishment is just stupid. He was aquitted. People need to move on. It's pretty much, imo, blatant racism when people say that OJ deserves to be punished for the "murders". Does it really bother people that much that a black man might have beat the system? And I don't go for people who say they feel the same way if a white person gets away because typically they don't talk about or remember those.

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  • Rhesus PositiveRhesus Positive GNU Terry Pratchett Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Thirteen years to the days that O.J. Simpson was acquitted for murdering his ex-wife and Ron Goldman, he was found guilty on all counts in the armed robbery case in Las Vegas in 2007. It is speculated that he may spend the rest of his life in prison over this.

    There was a debate in the news media when this broke last year about whether the trial was going to be for the armed robbery or if he was really being retried for murder, as many people, including myself, believed he was guilty and the case was bungled by the prosecutors and the judge by turning it into a media circus. This was part of the defense used in this trial as there were apparently some comments by investigators that were recorded at the scene.

    Justice served? Is he in actuality getting a long overdue punishment?

    Justice served for armed robbery...yes.

    And saying that it is a long overdue punishment is just stupid. He was aquitted. People need to move on. It's pretty much, imo, blatant racism when people say that OJ deserves to be punished for the "murders". Does it really bother people that much that a black man might have beat the system? And I don't go for people who say they feel the same way if a white person gets away because typically they don't talk about or remember those.

    Either that or that it appeared that a rich famous person could beat the system. See also: Paris Hilton, Winona Ryder.

    I was pissed off at Winona Ryder getting acquitted for shoplifting when it was fucking obvious from the CCTV that she did it, but I wasn't on the jury, so I can't really complain. The same goes for Michael Jackson and all those other celebrites and non-celebrities who were acquitted of crimes, including my old P.E. teacher. I wasn't on the jury, so I'm not going to bitch and moan about it.

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  • ZeroCowZeroCow Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Thirteen years to the days that O.J. Simpson was acquitted for murdering his ex-wife and Ron Goldman, he was found guilty on all counts in the armed robbery case in Las Vegas in 2007. It is speculated that he may spend the rest of his life in prison over this.

    There was a debate in the news media when this broke last year about whether the trial was going to be for the armed robbery or if he was really being retried for murder, as many people, including myself, believed he was guilty and the case was bungled by the prosecutors and the judge by turning it into a media circus. This was part of the defense used in this trial as there were apparently some comments by investigators that were recorded at the scene.

    Justice served? Is he in actuality getting a long overdue punishment?

    Justice served for armed robbery...yes.

    And saying that it is a long overdue punishment is just stupid. He was aquitted. People need to move on. It's pretty much, imo, blatant racism when people say that OJ deserves to be punished for the "murders". Does it really bother people that much that a black man might have beat the system? And I don't go for people who say they feel the same way if a white person gets away because typically they don't talk about or remember those.

    Either that or that it appeared that a rich famous person could beat the system. See also: Paris Hilton, Winona Ryder.

    I was pissed off at Winona Ryder getting acquitted for shoplifting when it was fucking obvious from the CCTV that she did it, but I wasn't on the jury, so I can't really complain. The same goes for Michael Jackson and all those other celebrites and non-celebrities who were acquitted of crimes, including my old P.E. teacher. I wasn't on the jury, so I'm not going to bitch and moan about it.

    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

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  • TaximesTaximes Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    He was acquitted of murder, but there was a public perception that he was still guilty and was acquitted because the whole trial had been run like a circus. After the acquittal, he was being asked to leave from restaurants and other public place and establishments because other patrons complained about his presence there as disturbing because they believed he was a murderer and wrongfully acquitted (as opposed to when people are wrongfully convicted). So when he was arrested last year on armed robbery and kidnapping charges, there was speculation that while going to trial for those charges, the murder trial was going to come back up and he would be essentially put on trial for murder again by people who believed that he got away with murder. Hence why some people may view his forthcoming imprisonment as being punishment that is long overdue.
    He would not have been tried for murder again, ever.

    Not.

    Ever.

    No one's suggesting that he would legally and officially be tried for murder again, but I highly doubt that any jury now can avoid having at least a few members being influenced by their opinions of the murder case.

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  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's not like OJ hasn't been fucked over on a day by day basis. Even if you believe him to be guilty, the guy has had all his money stripped away from him, there's no way he'll ever make a buck off of movies or football or anything. He's a bum now, when he could've been a contender!

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    Thirteen years to the days that O.J. Simpson was acquitted for murdering his ex-wife and Ron Goldman, he was found guilty on all counts in the armed robbery case in Las Vegas in 2007. It is speculated that he may spend the rest of his life in prison over this.

    There was a debate in the news media when this broke last year about whether the trial was going to be for the armed robbery or if he was really being retried for murder, as many people, including myself, believed he was guilty and the case was bungled by the prosecutors and the judge by turning it into a media circus. This was part of the defense used in this trial as there were apparently some comments by investigators that were recorded at the scene.

    Justice served? Is he in actuality getting a long overdue punishment?

    Justice served for armed robbery...yes.

    And saying that it is a long overdue punishment is just stupid. He was aquitted. People need to move on. It's pretty much, imo, blatant racism when people say that OJ deserves to be punished for the "murders". Does it really bother people that much that a black man might have beat the system? And I don't go for people who say they feel the same way if a white person gets away because typically they don't talk about or remember those.

    Either that or that it appeared that a rich famous person could beat the system. See also: Paris Hilton, Winona Ryder.

    I was pissed off at Winona Ryder getting acquitted for shoplifting when it was fucking obvious from the CCTV that she did it, but I wasn't on the jury, so I can't really complain. The same goes for Michael Jackson and all those other celebrites and non-celebrities who were acquitted of crimes, including my old P.E. teacher. I wasn't on the jury, so I'm not going to bitch and moan about it.

    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

    Others who beat speeding/DUI tickets? Or others who murdered?

    Because really... the race card here? Fucking stupid.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
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  • IriahIriah Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Taximes wrote: »
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Dalboz wrote: »
    He was acquitted of murder, but there was a public perception that he was still guilty and was acquitted because the whole trial had been run like a circus. After the acquittal, he was being asked to leave from restaurants and other public place and establishments because other patrons complained about his presence there as disturbing because they believed he was a murderer and wrongfully acquitted (as opposed to when people are wrongfully convicted). So when he was arrested last year on armed robbery and kidnapping charges, there was speculation that while going to trial for those charges, the murder trial was going to come back up and he would be essentially put on trial for murder again by people who believed that he got away with murder. Hence why some people may view his forthcoming imprisonment as being punishment that is long overdue.
    He would not have been tried for murder again, ever.

    Not.

    Ever.

    No one's suggesting that he would legally and officially be tried for murder again, but I highly doubt that any jury now can avoid having at least a few members being influenced by their opinions of the murder case.

    Yes. The OJ trial was huge, and there is a great public perception that he got off because he was wealthy, due to alleged racism on the part of law enforcement, and because Johnnie Cochran was a genius at working the system.

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  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Iriah wrote: »
    Ojcover.jpg

    despicable.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Iriah wrote: »
    Ojcover.jpg

    despicable.

    That he wrote it, or that the Goldmans re-titled it?

    Because I think both are pretty horrible.

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think this is a pretty clear indicator that the Bills will finally win the Super Bowl.

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  • GorakGorak Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

    The live televised car chase probably didn't help.

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Are you blaming the media?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    That he wrote it, or that the Goldmans re-titled it?
    I find it despicable that he used a ghostwriter.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Gorak wrote: »
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

    The live televised car chase probably didn't help.

    Seriously, the OJ Simpson story was all over the place at the time, hell it basically brought CourtTV into existence and really became a 24/7 news story for like a year.

    But I mean, if you want a white version of OJ there's a list to choose from.

    Hell, ever heard of Nixon?

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gorak wrote: »
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

    The live televised car chase probably didn't help.

    Seriously, the OJ Simpson story was all over the place at the time, hell it basically brought CourtTV into existence and really became a 24/7 news story for like a year.

    But I mean, if you want a white version of OJ there's a list to choose from.

    Hell, ever heard of Nixon?
    Or, even better, Manson?

    Rent on
  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Iriah wrote: »
    Ojcover.jpg

    despicable.

    That he wrote it, or that the Goldmans re-titled it?

    Because I think both are pretty horrible.

    They didn't retitle it. If you look closely you can see the "if" :)

    I think it's very funny.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Rent wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gorak wrote: »
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

    The live televised car chase probably didn't help.

    Seriously, the OJ Simpson story was all over the place at the time, hell it basically brought CourtTV into existence and really became a 24/7 news story for like a year.

    But I mean, if you want a white version of OJ there's a list to choose from.

    Hell, ever heard of Nixon?
    Or, even better, Manson?

    Well I think we're talking about people who 'got away' with their crime.

    Hell, Scooter Libby! All the Bush cronies being pardoned before Jan. 20th!

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  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jokerman wrote: »
    It's not like OJ hasn't been fucked over on a day by day basis. Even if you believe him to be guilty, the guy has had all his money stripped away from him, there's no way he'll ever make a buck off of movies or football or anything. He's a bum now, when he could've been a contender!

    Yeah its a shame that a guy who murdered two people but was acquitted due to the public's unfamiliarity with DNA evidence and a team of the most skilled and famous defense lawyers in the world doesn't have to work and lives on a private golf course.

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  • ShadowfireShadowfire Vermont, in the middle of nowhereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Rent wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    Gorak wrote: »
    ZeroCow wrote: »
    True, but people seem to remember OJ more than others.

    The live televised car chase probably didn't help.

    Seriously, the OJ Simpson story was all over the place at the time, hell it basically brought CourtTV into existence and really became a 24/7 news story for like a year.

    But I mean, if you want a white version of OJ there's a list to choose from.

    Hell, ever heard of Nixon?
    Or, even better, Manson?

    Well I think we're talking about people who 'got away' with their crime.

    Hell, Scooter Libby! All the Bush cronies being pardoned before Jan. 20th!

    Ted Kennedy? :P

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  • TL DRTL DR Not at all confident in his reflexive opinions of thingsRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Derrick wrote: »
    Shadowfire wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    Iriah wrote: »
    Ojcover.jpg

    despicable.

    That he wrote it, or that the Goldmans re-titled it?

    Because I think both are pretty horrible.

    They didn't retitle it. If you look closely you can see the "if" :)

    I think it's very funny.

    I hadn't noticed the "if"

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    PantsB wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    It's not like OJ hasn't been fucked over on a day by day basis. Even if you believe him to be guilty, the guy has had all his money stripped away from him, there's no way he'll ever make a buck off of movies or football or anything. He's a bum now, when he could've been a contender!

    Yeah its a shame that a guy who murdered two people but was acquitted due to the public's unfamiliarity with DNA evidence and a team of the most skilled and famous defense lawyers in the world doesn't have to work and lives on a private golf course.

    I don't believe in double jeopardy, however, it's pretty clear that he was guilty as sin. Like, unbelievably guilty. So damn guilty.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I hope he gets life.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Shogun wrote: »
    I hope he gets life.

    I don't. Because that comes back to the "officially" innocent part. A life sentence is only justifiable, given the circumstances of the current charges, as punishment for a past crime he was acquitted of.

    However, I do hope he gets a lengthy sentence appropriate to the severity of the crime of which he was convicted, preferably the kind of sentence that somebody who wasn't a celebrity would wind up with for the same. Ten, twenty years maybe? I don't know what the norm is for these charges.

    Actually a life sentence according to the state of Nevada is justifiable for the crimes he committed. Armed robbery, kidnapping, etc. I'm not saying I hope he gets life for the murders he 'didn't' commit. If we're talking about the murders I hope he gets shanked in prison for that, but concerning his current charges he faces life in prison and I hope that is exactly what he gets.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    He doesn't need a life sentence to spend life in jail. Fifty years with parole in thirty years.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Shogun wrote: »
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Shogun wrote: »
    I hope he gets life.

    I don't. Because that comes back to the "officially" innocent part. A life sentence is only justifiable, given the circumstances of the current charges, as punishment for a past crime he was acquitted of.

    However, I do hope he gets a lengthy sentence appropriate to the severity of the crime of which he was convicted, preferably the kind of sentence that somebody who wasn't a celebrity would wind up with for the same. Ten, twenty years maybe? I don't know what the norm is for these charges.

    Actually a life sentence according to the state of Nevada is justifiable for the crimes he committed. Armed robbery, kidnapping, etc. I'm not saying I hope he gets life for the murders he 'didn't' commit. If we're talking about the murders I hope he gets shanked in prison for that, but concerning his current charges he faces life in prison and I hope that is exactly what he gets.

    I know that a life sentence is justifiable. I'm not an idiot. That's the max sentence for the crime he was convicted of. But the question is whether that sentence is the fucking norm for the crime he was convicted of, given the specific circumstances of his crime.

    I got $texas that says it is absolutely not.

    And that's like, my fucking point.

    He should get no more time than the average person would get given the circumstances of his crime...but also no less.

    You're getting a bit defensive as if I am somehow attacking you. Not sure what that's about. I think part of the reason he may get life in prison is because what someone mentioned earlier. Because he got away with murder perhaps he felt as if what he was doing wouldn't negatively affect him. As if he couldn't get in trouble. I realize that legally a jury should not take into account his previous legal stuff, but that does not mean they won't. If it was me on the jury I'd want him to get the harshest penalty possible. Of course for me it would not be just about the case at hand, but about righting one of the most infamous wrongs in my time.

    edit: also I do not know what $texas is or means

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  • RentRent I'm always right Fuckin' deal with itRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Shogun wrote: »
    edit: also I do not know what $texas is or means

    It's from an SNL sketch where someone wagers in Final Jeopardy, in Alex Trebek's words, "Texas with a dollar sign."

    In response to your statemnt mcdermott is concerned with the precedent it sets if juries add time that is unusual for the crime committed/convicted for. For example, if your wife or girlfriend or whatever were convicted of a drug charge, and there was an ex-boyfriend whom she dumped on the jury, and as a result of his presence they gave her the max sentence, would you think that was right? No, of course not. That's why we have systems like jury purging and such in place- to prevent such bias from influencing assumption of guilt or assigning punishment. Especially since people's lives are involved here.

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  • ShogunShogun Hair long; money long; me and broke wizards we don't get along Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    mcdermott wrote: »
    Shogun wrote: »
    You're getting a bit defensive as if I am somehow attacking you. Not sure what that's about. I think part of the reason he may get life in prison is because what someone mentioned earlier. Because he got away with murder perhaps he felt as if what he was doing wouldn't negatively affect him. As if he couldn't get in trouble. I realize that legally a jury should not take into account his previous legal stuff, but that does not mean they won't. If it was me on the jury I'd want him to get the harshest penalty possible. Of course for me it would not be just about the case at hand, but about righting one of the most infamous wrongs in my time.

    And this is exactly what I have a problem with. It's not that I'm defensive, it's that I take the basic tenets of our justice system very fucking seriously. All the rapists we let walk on technicalities are for nothing if we're willing to throw the book at OJ because he was like, totally guilty of these other crimes that he was acquitted of. At that point fuck trying to stick to any principles, and let's just shoot people in the fact right there in the courtroom m i rite?

    He was acquitted of the previous charges. Which means that, as far as anything that goes on inside of a courtroom is concerned, that shit never happened. It's entirely irrelevant, and absolutely cannot and should not be taken into consideration for either determining guilt for these current charges or sentencing.

    EDIT: Note that I have no problem with you personally, provided you're honest enough to admit any such bias if ever selected for jury duty (thus you are highly likely to be sent home in circumstances like these).
    He doesn't need a life sentence to spend life in jail. Fifty years with parole in thirty years.

    True.
    edit: also I do not know what $texas is or means

    "An extremely large amount of money."

    For someone who takes the tenets of our system so seriously one would think you would care about righting such a wrong. He was acquitted of two murders the entire world knew he committed. This is a case where the tenets of our justice system were forgotten or simply ignored. If they had held true OJ would not be in this trial to begin with as he would be rotting in a federal prison or he would have been put to death already for the previous crimes he committed.

    Also to ask a panel of jurors to forget that OJ got away with two murders is ludicrous. You won't find a single person in this country that would sit on a jury and in their decision making forget in the back of their mind that this is a man who walked for 12 years after murdering two people in cold blood. They knew everything he had done since those murders. The golf course tryst where he vowed to search for the real killer(s), the atrocious book he wrote, etc etc. No one is going to not take it all into account. Anyone who says otherwise is lying.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I don't know, I've seen juries do quite well with taking orders and impartiality, it all depends on the court weeding out the chaff to getting the right people.

    I mean, there are people who are capable of it.

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