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Driving not so far, but with cat

OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
edited October 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
This Christmas I was thinking of taking my cat up while visiting my parents, from San Diego to the San Francisco area. Taking Xandra onto a plane is kind of expensive, though, and from my roommate's description it sounds like a potentially major annoyance for everyone else on board, too. So I was considering driving, instead.

This would be a 6-8 hour drive, and my cat currently does not travel well, possibly owing to the fact that whenever she's in a car it has to do with either the vet or staying with strangers while I'm out of town. So for every car trip it's always been: Meow. Meow. Meow. Meow. Meow. Meow. Meow. Not out-and-out terror, but not happy by any stretch, either.

So, is this a reasonable trip to make with the cat? If I do this, how would I handle food, water and bathroom breaks during the drive? I'm going to take her litter box, but it seems inadvisable to give her free run of the car. Should I be using the time before Christmas to acclimate her to riding in the car, or do cats generally never take to it?

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  • bobmyknobbobmyknob 3DS Friend Code 4553-9974-2186 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Oh man, that sounds like the worst car ride ever. I've done the SD -> SF drive many times and I don't know what I'd do with any animal in the car. My only ideas would be to start getting the cat used to a cage and a leash - leave the cat in the cage while driving and leash it up when you take rest breaks, but I don't see a cat taking to that very well. The other idea would be to sedate the cat, but I don't have any experience with that.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Free run of the car is extremely inadvisable unless your cat is used to it and is the docile type. Since this is neither, the answer is no. Imagine your cat screeching around, digging claws into your upholstery in the process, and potentially even peeing somewhere. That's basically how cats have evolved to deal with new situations. They freak out, make a lot of noise, and run like hell. Or they freak out, make a lot of noise, and claw the shit out of things while running like hell simultaneously.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Definitely don't bother trying to get the cat used to car rides. The more frequently I have to put Loki in the car, the more angry he gets about the process. One trip to the vet, he's angry but not a particular terror. A follow up four days later and he screeches the whole way. A second follow up and he throws himself around the carrier and will hiss at me for weeks afterwards. Seems best just to do it when necessary and deal with his dislike of the process.

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  • Mr RayMr Ray Sarcasm sphereRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Free run of the car is extremely inadvisable unless your cat is used to it and is the docile type. Since this is neither, the answer is no. Imagine your cat screeching around, digging claws into your upholstery in the process, and potentially even peeing somewhere. That's basically how cats have evolved to deal with new situations. They freak out, make a lot of noise, and run like hell. Or they freak out, make a lot of noise, and claw the shit out of things while running like hell simultaneously.

    Our cat got out of the box we were transporting him in on the way to the vets once (silly us we thought a cardboard box would hold him) and he didn't freak out at all. He was freaking out before he got out of the box, but once he escaped he just climbed onto the back of the passenger's seat and sat there for the rest of the journey. Turns out he just wanted to see where he was going.

    Not that I think you should give your cat free reign of the car, just saying, she probably wouldn't freak out as described.

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  • BobCescaBobCesca Is a girl Birmingham, UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    We just moved to Birmingham and had two cats in the back of the car for the 6 hour trip.

    Because we didn't see the point in buying a massive specialist carrier, we bought cat harnesses. This meant that, with the help of some string, we could attach the cats inside the car and still let them have some freedom. We took them down to the car in a cardboard box with their blankets and a couple of toys in and opened half the lid once they were attached inside and the car was sorted.

    The boy cat stayed in the box and slept most of the way. The girl cat meeped a bit and then got out the box and found a comfy corner inbetween all our stuff.

    We found that even though they had a litter tray and some water, they didn't want them and just wanted to stay curled up and asleep.

    I would recommend some way of restricting the movement of your cat, as you don't really want cat in face when driving.

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    My GF is a dog trainer, and she swears by a calming hormone spray for use when traveling with animals. She sprays down our dog's crate before we load her in the car, and it actually seems to work.

    I know that there are similar sprays for cats, but you'd have to ask a cat person for an actual name/brand...

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  • illigillig Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hevach wrote: »
    Definitely don't bother trying to get the cat used to car rides. The more frequently I have to put Loki in the car, the more angry he gets about the process. One trip to the vet, he's angry but not a particular terror. A follow up four days later and he screeches the whole way. A second follow up and he throws himself around the carrier and will hiss at me for weeks afterwards. Seems best just to do it when necessary and deal with his dislike of the process.

    the cat's reaction is pretty predictable in this case...

    if every car trip you took culminated with a kick to the nuts (or the female equivalent... umm... purple nurple?) you'd hate car trips with a passion.... but it the majority of trips ended with a reward, you wouldn't mind it so much

    take your cat on non-vet car rides, and give him/her high-value treats at the end... i'm sure it'll help with the problem

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Free run of the car is extremely inadvisable unless your cat is used to it and is the docile type. Since this is neither, the answer is no. Imagine your cat screeching around, digging claws into your upholstery in the process, and potentially even peeing somewhere. That's basically how cats have evolved to deal with new situations. They freak out, make a lot of noise, and run like hell. Or they freak out, make a lot of noise, and claw the shit out of things while running like hell simultaneously.

    Forget that, as McD said if the cat gets under your pedals its Big Trouble. Nearly happened to my flatmate the other day when she was taking our little monster to the vet - we're far too cheap to buy a carrier that she'll use maybe twice a year, so she was in a cardboard box, and managed to ninja out of it. The pedals were like the first thing she dived for, and my flatmate only just caught her in time.

    And even if they don't actually try to murder you, they'll still be a huge distraction while driving if they're roaming around. Bob's cat harness idea seems like a good compromise for long trips.

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  • DjeetDjeet Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Your cat might just sack out the whole time, but having had to drive while a unboxed cat went toally apeshit in my car I can tell you that you really don't want that. She started out just sitting on the back seat all wide-eyed, but within 5 minutes it was bedlam.

    If I had to make an 8 hour drive with my cat it'd go like this: probably skip her morning meal, line a kitty carrier with a few towels, install a gerbil/hamster water bottle thing, and try to drive there in a straight shot. She'd probably meow for 1/2-1 hour, then stop for awhile, then start up again for awhile, repeat. There'd be no way to console her. I wouldn't give her any breaks outside of the carrier, because good fucking luck getting her back in. When confronted with this possibility I'd skip taking her and get a neighbor to feed her twice daily while I was away.

    My dogs take to car trips much better. The younger one's crated on trips. The older one has on occaision gotten scared and tried to jump in my lap while I'm driving, which isn't fun, but even at 50 lbs, it better than a freaked out cat doing the same.

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Take your cat, put them in the car (without turning it on or driving anywhere) bring some toys and such and treats. Get them used to the car first. Reward them for being good. Next start the car and just have it idle and get them used to that. (probably won't take long) Finally, have everyone get in and drive around. It's absolutely a must to have another person there with you if you can. Even a friend the cat knows, bring them through this whole acclimating phase. The cat should, hopefully, be calm now while driving around. Keep them tethered but don't box them. Cats hate being boxed for the most part. Even ones that have never gone to the vet or seen others go to the vet, as soon as they're in they cry and pee and poop and even puke.

    I've done this, it's worked with 2 of our 3 cats, the other one has no problem with anything.

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  • Kate of LokysKate of Lokys Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    illig wrote: »
    Hevach wrote: »
    Definitely don't bother trying to get the cat used to car rides. The more frequently I have to put Loki in the car, the more angry he gets about the process. One trip to the vet, he's angry but not a particular terror. A follow up four days later and he screeches the whole way. A second follow up and he throws himself around the carrier and will hiss at me for weeks afterwards. Seems best just to do it when necessary and deal with his dislike of the process.

    the cat's reaction is pretty predictable in this case...

    if every car trip you took culminated with a kick to the nuts (or the female equivalent... umm... purple nurple?) you'd hate car trips with a passion.... but it the majority of trips ended with a reward, you wouldn't mind it so much

    take your cat on non-vet car rides, and give him/her high-value treats at the end... i'm sure it'll help with the problem
    This is what I plan on doing with my cat.

    My family back home has two small dogs, and one cat. The cat knows damned well that any time she gets pulled towards the car, she's going to the vet, where she will be prodded and jabbed and made very uncomfortable. The dogs, on the other hand, know that 99% of their car trips end with something fun: driving down to the lake to go for a long walk, driving out to a farm owned by my parents' friends where they can romp around in the field with the other dogs, driving to my grandparents' place for dinner where everyone will fawn over how cute they are. The dogs *like* the car. All we need to do is say "Puppies, in the car!" and they will jump right in. My parents even drive down to Florida with them, and they're perfectly well-behaved.

    So yeah, for this trip, you're probably screwed either way. But in the future, start following illig's advice (edit: and bowen's), and just teach your cat that car trips don't always end in pain.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thanks for all the advice. I'll try getting my cat used to the car once I'm stateside again, and reassess come December. I was going to put her in a kitty carrier for the trip (this should have been made clear in the OP), but the harness idea sounds better. Thanks again.

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  • oncelingonceling Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I know cats land on their feet and everything, but having a cat free in the car while driving is like having a child un-secured in the car. Never mind the fact that everyone posting above is right, the cat could get under the pedals, attach itself to your face while driving or generally pee and shit everywhere... how about safety? You have an accident and the cat will fly through the front windscreen.

    Get a carrier, every cat owner should have one for vet trips. It's also good for any other kind of emergency or if someone allergic has to come by your house. A box with holes if you want to be cheap but I would not want to spent 8 hours in a box in a car myself.

    Stop every couple of hours to refresh yourself at a gas station or something and, using the cat harness, let your cat out, put small amount of water and food down, and the litter box and hang out for 10 minutes. Cat will probably not use the litter but you are at least offering the choice and letting the cat out of it's box for a little bit.

    I would spend the time getting your cat used to the harness as much as car trips. If you put some effort into both I think you will get good results. I think people give cats too much leeway. Mine will willingly walk into their carriers and regularly spend the day at other people's houses without any big drama. I just don't take any bullshit since they were kittens and it gave good results. Leave the carrier out in the house from now on. Leave the door open, occasionally hide a treat in the back and just ignore it for a couple of weeks. Put a nice blanket down in the bottom so its comfortable and warm and let your cat check it out without the fear of the door shutting behind them.

    Yeah, you're going to have to deal with the meow, meow, meow. Thats just part of the fun of cat ownership.

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  • GungHoGungHo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    No boxes. The cat will eventually tear through the cardboard and you'll end up driving down the highway trying to fix the box/keep the cat in the box/have a pissed off cat running around the car in circles.

    If you're gonna keep it contained (which I'd advise), I suggest a carrier with a large enough grate that it can see out of. Position the crate opening where it can see you throughout the trip. Put a towel in the crate bottom for comfort and ease of cleaning if the cat has an accident (bring a few spare towe;s and a box you can seal air-tight unless you like the smell of cat piss/shit in your car) and a couple of comfort items.

    A harness (not a leash... any sudden stops and you could end up lynching the cat) where the cat can roam free in the back seat can also work.

    I'd definitely advise taking a short, 15~30 minute drive though, if you're going to try that. They'll generally be as spooked within the first 15 minutes as they will be for 8 hours.

    I've known some cats and dogs who were actually fine uncontained in the car, but usually they end up trying to sit with/on you. It's temping to let the cat do that so it feels comforted, but it just ends up badly.

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  • FallingmanFallingman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Get the cat used to it, and put a light cover over the cat carrier. They will calm down.

    When I was a student, I used to take my cat to my girlfriends place. She (the cat) used to sit across my shoulders and look out the window while I drove.

    I wouldnt really recommend though - imagine what would happen if the cat got under the pedals...

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  • GiantRoboGiantRobo Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Free run of the car is extremely inadvisable unless your cat is used to it and is the docile type. Since this is neither, the answer is no. Imagine your cat screeching around, digging claws into your upholstery in the process, and potentially even peeing somewhere. That's basically how cats have evolved to deal with new situations. They freak out, make a lot of noise, and run like hell. Or they freak out, make a lot of noise, and claw the shit out of things while running like hell simultaneously.

    Forget that, as McD said if the cat gets under your pedals its Big Trouble. Nearly happened to my flatmate the other day when she was taking our little monster to the vet - we're far too cheap to buy a carrier that she'll use maybe twice a year, so she was in a cardboard box, and managed to ninja out of it. The pedals were like the first thing she dived for, and my flatmate only just caught her in time.

    And even if they don't actually try to murder you, they'll still be a huge distraction while driving if they're roaming around. Bob's cat harness idea seems like a good compromise for long trips.

    I guess my ex got lucky then when she drove from Philly to Minneapolis :P He ended up just finding a spot on top of all the luggage and made a nest to sleep. (The SUV was packed).

    Also, make sure the cat doesn't get too hot in the car.

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  • FFFF Once Upon a Time In OaklandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Reiterating that you should not drive with a loose cat in the car.

    I'd imagine that the trips to friends/vet were shorter car rides? In my experience I've seen that while cats will freak out for the first couple hours (or less). They'll most likely calm down after that.

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  • AurinAurin Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Another thing to do:

    Put towels in the cat carrier and set it out now. Let the cat get used to climbing into the cat carrier like it's a place to sleep, so their scent is all over it. Worked for my little kitten who hated car rides, now she's all "Meh, so what, I have my blankie." :P

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  • DoxaDoxa Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    my gf who drove three hours with like four or five cats in her car kept em in carriers. She said playing relaxing music helped them, but it didn't help her stay alert driving.

    Try some relaxing music imo

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  • CreepyCreepy Tucson, AzRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I've done a 1900 mile drive with 2 cats. We used maybe a 2.5'x3'x2' rabbit cage with a towel on the bottom and that worked pretty well.

    YOU DO NOT WANT YOUR CATS LOOSE IN THE CAR.

    They barely ate, drank a little bit and never used the litterbox and that was for 2.5 days. They'd drink a little when we stopped and that's it.

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  • Hobbit0815Hobbit0815 Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    From my own experience, cats seem to shut down and just rest/sleep for car rides (after the whole meow meow meow meow fit at first.).. But I don't know why the plane would be out of the question? When I've seen cats in an airplane, they're usually just in a tiny cat carrier, and usually sleep the whole time. (if it's a small way, I guess.. like I see it would be for you?)

    Either way, unless it's for days and days, the cats just seem to cope and stay quiet.

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If you can block off the back area of your car for them like the trunk type thing of an SUV, and then find a way to completely block it off from the drivers area, that might work.

    Make sure to put down lots of towels/celephane/whatever cause the cat will prolly piss and it wont just stay in the carrier as you drive.

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  • Auntie ShibbyAuntie Shibby Horrible Visalia, CARegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    I drove with a cat a little over 20 miles before loose in my car. Having a cat loose in the car is one of the worst things you can do. Luckily, she climb under my seat, and stayed there there whole ride, and I had to jerk her out from under my seat. She was scared senseless. You need to get a carrier if you're taking a cat along for a car ride.

    It's going to be unpleasant the whole ride with or without one. The cat is going to howl most the ride, and be scared. It's best not to take it.

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  • Aurora BorealisAurora Borealis runs and runs and runs away BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    My cat likes riding in cars, I harness-trained her when she was a little kitten. She usually sits in my lap and goes straight to sleep, or else climbs up on the back of my seat and looks out.

    Note, however, that I am always a passenger (I don't drive), the cat is on a harness and leash, so she's not going anywhere she ain't supposed too. She's most certainly NOT ALLOWED anywhere near the driver.

    She can get warm in the car and needs water, and she pees on newspaper if there is any in car.

    The only time she has ever been in a carrier was when I took her on a plane. In that case I had her drugged up with Valerian Root. I got it at my local hippy-style pet supply place. Made her high as a kite (look at all the pretty colors! high) and she slept the entire eight hour trip with nary a peep.
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  • AmytheLibrarianAmytheLibrarian Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You guys have mentioned driving with cats, but how about plane rides? I have to take my 1 year old cat home to BC from Ontario in December. The plane rides will be short, 5 hours and 1 hour, but with 2 scheduled layovers, we're talking about 12 hours of travel time. Help?

    We've heard about herbal remedies to help chill her out / put her to sleep. Has anyone had experience with using these for a long flight? Did you take your cat into the cabin with you, or put her in cargo? Did you have to deal with layovers in the airport? Drugged or no? What about litter and drink breaks?

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  • Aurora BorealisAurora Borealis runs and runs and runs away BrooklynRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I used this for my 8 hr plane ride with kitty-
    http://shop.robbinspetcare.com/dogs/aatranq.html

    It made her so high... but she was totally fine the whole trip. Slept better than I did, that's for sure.
    It was a straight shot though, no layovers.
    She went in a carrier that fit under the seat in front of me. I flew JetBlue and had to buy a special carrier that was 8" high. She was kinda squished (she's fat), but otherwise totally fine.
    I made sure she had pooped before I left, and only gave her a few little chewy treats after that. She seems to have held the pee.

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  • OrogogusOrogogus San DiegoRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm not sure what my roommate used to sedate his cat, but he said that his cat was yowling the whole flight from San Diego to New Jersey, which sounds like something I'd rather not inflict on other passengers (his cat is a bit crankier than mine, though). Also, apparently the surcharge to take her on the flight (through United, I think) is up to like $100-150, each way, which is more than what I expect to spend on my tickets.

    Regarding something posted way earlier -- this would be for about 2 weeks, and my mother and my brother both really want to meet my cat, so I'm at least considering the logistics of it all.

    And to make it clear: the cat will not be roaming free in the car. This is not on the table at all. It won't be allowed near the pedals, it won't be driving the car, etc.

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