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Max Payne - The Movie That Ate the Plot

1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
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Max Payne is an awesome videogame that was released in 2001. I had to upgrade my GeForce Ti300 just to play this beast. I loved the game. It was gritty, the ultra-slow-motion effect was addictive (and at once, repetitive), but by far, the game was a fantastic purchase.

Fast forward 7 years. Mark Whalberg plays Max Payne, who is revenging his family, who were killed by bad dudes.

The movie is getting some pretty piss-poor reviews, which is dis-heartening, considering how awesome the game was. Are videogame movies following a formula, or are they simply doomed to fail? Isn't anyone else upset that our poor, defenseless child- and teen-hood games are being victimized?!

Rotten Tomatoes Score: 15%

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It's perfectly feasible for a video game movie to get good reviews. It's just that the creator of said movie has to walk a fine, squiggly line between appeasing the original fans and cutting out stuff that just won't work with a movie.

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  • KevarKevar regular
    edited October 2008
    According to pre-screeners, the movie would have been good but the plot-action ratio is something like 90-10. There's only three action scenes, about 2 minutes long each, and none are particularly good. Unfortunate.

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I saw the Hitman movie on cable recently and thought it did a pretty good job of translating the game to film. Was it a good film? meh.

    What I want to know about the Max Payne movie is if those winged things we see in the trailer are real or imaginary. Spoiler if necessary.

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  • KevarKevar regular
    edited October 2008
    Bama wrote: »
    I saw the Hitman movie on cable recently and thought it did a pretty good job of translating the game to film. Was it a good film? meh.

    What I want to know about the Max Payne movie is if those winged things we see in the trailer are real or imaginary. Spoiler if necessary.
    Hallucinations.

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Thank god.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Bama wrote: »
    Thank god.

    edit for spoiler, even though it was in the game
    It was his experience on the drug and his near-death experience that created these.

    See, the plot-action balance can be worked out, but instead of 90-10, it should have been like 30-70. There was a TON of action in the game (durf), but I suppose the director didn't have either a) the balls to film it all, or b) the balls to take the criticism it would have received.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    So you guys think that maybe spoilering those plot points might be something you should do? Even if it's a bad movie there are people that will read this thread still planning to see it and most likely don't want the movie explained to them before hand.

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  • DmanDman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I thought Hitman was decent, so were the resident evil movies. DOA even had its moments.

    I guess the trick to watching these movies is to have your expectation low going in, then you can actually enjoy whats there instead of being disappointed by whats not.

    That being said, I heard Blizzard teamed up with Legendary Pictures (they made The Dark Knight) to make a warcraft movie. They said it will be an War/Battle movie and from the perspective of the Humans.

    I have high expectations.
    Sometimes I scare myself. I had high expectations for Max Payne too till I saw those angel things in the trailer....then I got worried.

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Bama wrote: »
    Thank god.

    Seriously. I was pretty freaking ticked the first time I saw the trailer. I thought they'd just turned it into a Constantine rip-off.

    I was really hoping they'd do a pretty straight adaptation, purple prose and everything. Guess not. :(

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Obviously I'm not a film critic and I've not seen the film, but whenever a game-to-film movie comes out and gets poor reviews, I always get a strong sense of bias and snobbery from the critics in their reviews, like they're being extra critical because they feel it's pissing on their turf.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Bama wrote: »
    Thank god.

    Seriously. I was pretty freaking ticked the first time I saw the trailer. I thought they'd just turned it into a Constantine rip-off.

    I was really hoping they'd do a pretty straight adaptation, purple prose and everything. Guess not. :(

    You know, the only movie I've seen that was great with captions was Nightwatch. The way the meat hit the wall and the captions were there? Awesome. I know it's hard to format text and all, but more movies should take a page from Nightwatch's book. Best fucking captions ever.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I was expecting gritty action with a ridiculous narrative.

    Damnit.

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  • BowenBowen Sup? Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0564548/

    I might have been interested with him, and the video game narratives. Otherwise, meh.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    Obviously I'm not a film critic and I've not seen the film, but whenever a game-to-film movie comes out and gets poor reviews, I always get a strong sense of bias and snobbery from the critics in their reviews, like they're being extra critical because they feel it's pissing on their turf.

    The punchline to this better be that you then watch them, and realise how right they were.

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I think if Hollywood can't even make a decent movie out of Max Payne, which was perhaps the simplest thing to actually make into a movie, then I don't think they'll ever make a good video game flick

    At least not until games are as old as comics

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  • RaggaholicRaggaholic Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I played through Max Payne a lifetime ago and loved the game. I can't remember anything about it now. There was something about...
    a woman who was on your side because something happened to her sister, a mob boss, and maybe a priest.
    I may be confusing this with Sin City in some areas.

    I hated that part where you were tied up and weaponless. It took me forever to get out of that.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If the really is only a small amount of action in the movie that's a huge fuck up on the director's part.

    I mean really, put the narrative in DURING the action sequences if you have to, it will fill up the time during the slo-mo portions.

    I mean, Max Payne was about one night of destruction, IIRC. So blow more shit up!

    I don't know, maybe they didn't have enough money.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Rook wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Obviously I'm not a film critic and I've not seen the film, but whenever a game-to-film movie comes out and gets poor reviews, I always get a strong sense of bias and snobbery from the critics in their reviews, like they're being extra critical because they feel it's pissing on their turf.

    The punchline to this better be that you then watch them, and realise how right they were.

    Eh, I'm not saying there's been anything amazing come out of it, but you take something like Ebert's comments on Hitman, where he bitched out a bunch of things that he highlighted as obviously being taken from the game. Things that were in no-way aspects of Hitman.
    Silent Hill wasn't brilliant, the barbed-wire rape was unnecessary and the exposition could've been better handled, but the OMG TRAVESTY that these things get portrayed as is completely retarded.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    This is sounding like the same fundamental fuck up as the Doom movie. Doom = demons from hell invading the mortal plane. Not genetics.

    Well ACTUALLY in the books the 'demons' are genetically engineered by aliens to play on humanity's greatest fears, well greatest fears a thousand years ago. See space travel is pretty slow so it took that long to get an invasion force there from first contact.

    And the whole reason for the war is an intergalatic conflict between all the other alien races who happen to be immortal and not have souls like we have. The conflict is over an interpretation of a book left behind by the First Race, who made the gates that feature so prominently in the games and books.

    No I'm NOT kidding.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    This is sounding like the same fundamental fuck up as the Doom movie. Doom = demons from hell invading the mortal plane. Not genetics.

    Well ACTUALLY in the books the 'demons' are genetically engineered by aliens to play on humanity's greatest fears, well greatest fears a thousand years ago. See space travel is pretty slow so it took that long to get an invasion force there from first contact.

    And the whole reason for the war is an intergalatic conflict between all the other alien races who happen to be immortal and not have souls like we have. The conflict is over an interpretation of a book left behind by the First Race, who made the gates that feature so prominently in the games and books.

    No I'm NOT kidding.

    Honestly, it wasn't a bad stretch for fan-fiction expansion on a FPS.

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  • mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    The one video game movie that has any shot of actually making the game-to-movie transition not be a joke in Hollywood is BioShock.

    The director is bowing out of Pirates of the Carribean 4 to focus on BioShock. PIRATES 4. DISNEY. IT PRINTS MONEY!!!!

    The writer is also a really, really good writer.

    It's gonna take one real good adaptation to be the 'Spider-Man' of video game movies. The one that gets it taken seriously, so that more actors and directors don't feel like it's a carrer killer to attach themselves to these projects.

    The other thing is they really need to pick a franchise that has proved it deserves a movie, or has some staying power. Max Payne is pretty much irrelevant now. It's still good story, but when I first saw the trailer I was like "Wow, little late to the party guys."

    I also really, really think if Peter Jackson's HALO ever gets made, it could become the Star Wars of this generation.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    Rook wrote: »
    darleysam wrote: »
    Obviously I'm not a film critic and I've not seen the film, but whenever a game-to-film movie comes out and gets poor reviews, I always get a strong sense of bias and snobbery from the critics in their reviews, like they're being extra critical because they feel it's pissing on their turf.

    The punchline to this better be that you then watch them, and realise how right they were.

    Eh, I'm not saying there's been anything amazing come out of it, but you take something like Ebert's comments on Hitman, where he bitched out a bunch of things that he highlighted as obviously being taken from the game. Things that were in no-way aspects of Hitman.
    Silent Hill wasn't brilliant, the barbed-wire rape was unnecessary and the exposition could've been better handled, but the OMG TRAVESTY that these things get portrayed as is completely retarded.

    Reading his review (http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071120/REVIEWS/711200303) the only bit he talks about from the computer game was "Other scenes, which involve Agent 47 striding down corridors, an automatic weapon in each hand, shooting down opponents who come dressed as Jedi troopers in black. These scenes are no doubt from the video game. The troopers spring into sight, pop up and start shooting, and he has target practice. He also jumps out of windows without knowing where he's going to land, and that feels like he's cashing in a chip he won earlier in the game." and that feels pretty much right (not entirely sure what he means by cashing in a chip - extra life?) and there were far worse scenes I could think of (the samurai sword fight in the train cart).


    The bit I'm suprised about is everyone complaining about how that it's not a shoot'em'up copycat. I thought people wanted a hard boiled detective story, it sounds like people are complaining that it's not a video of someone playing the game with more realistic graphics.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I honestly reckon Prince of Persia could be good, too.

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  • TalkcTalkc Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I will only be dissapointed with Max Payne if he doesnt at least drop 9 bottles of painkillers.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Talkc wrote: »
    I will only be dissapointed with Max Payne if he doesnt at least drop 9 bottles of painkillers.
    And if the movie takes place in more than 2 days

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited October 2008
    The Hitman movie was decent enough for me. There's just one thing that keeps annoying me about it whenever I think about the movie:

    (fight scene spoiler)
    That Mexican standoff that turns into a sword fight. The three other baldies were all there to kill 47, right? Why the heck did they point guns at each other during the standoff?

    And Ebert can eat a sack of dicks re: Hitman.

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  • BamaBama Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    The Hitman movie was decent enough for me. There's just one thing that keeps annoying me about it whenever I think about the movie:

    (fight scene spoiler)
    That Mexican standoff that turns into a sword fight. The three other baldies were all there to kill 47, right? Why the heck did they point guns at each other during the standoff?

    And Ebert can eat a sack of dicks re: Hitman.
    I had forgotten about that part. It really confused me too.
    The only thing I can think of is that they were all competing for the contract rather than cooperating.

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  • OlivawOlivaw good name, isn't it? the foot of mt fujiRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hitman sucked

    This is objective fact

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  • muninnmuninn Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Hitman sucked

    This is objective fact

    Yeah, but the female love interest was smokin' hot.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Cynical Old Man Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm disappointed to hear about the lack of action in a Max Payne movie. Seriously... That makes no sense. Do you think they were trying to build up for a 2nd movie?

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Hitman sucked

    This is objective fact

    It had Timothy Olymphant, thus it cannot suck by definition.

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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I had high hopes for Max Payne after seeing the trailers. After reading a few reviews, I'm going to pass until video. The only thing that might change my mind is if they have the same opening shot from the video game (Max at the top of a skyscraper looking down at the wreckage of a helicopter).

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    1ddqd wrote: »
    Bama wrote: »
    Thank god.

    edit for spoiler, even though it was in the game
    Not everyone has played the game. As much of a shock as it might be, people see movies for reasons other than having played the game.

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  • RookRook Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Hitman sucked

    This is objective fact

    It had Timothy Olymphant, thus it cannot suck by definition.

    There's someone who didn't see Die Hard 4

    or Gone in 60 seconds

    or Rock Star

    or Scream 2

    or A Man Apart

    etc

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Quid wrote: »
    1ddqd wrote: »
    Bama wrote: »
    Thank god.

    edit for spoiler, even though it was in the game
    Not everyone has played the game. As much of a shock as it might be, people see movies for reasons other than having played the game.

    I get that, I'm just trying to point out that the spoiler is over 7 years old. Howabouts you get onto the guy 3 posts above me for mentioning the opening scene. Eh? EH?!

    Ah well. In other news, I don't really know if Markie Mark had any heart put into this movie or not. Reserved judgement says yes, but then again, he didn't really act in "The Happening" - this could be another wallet-padding role.

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  • QuidQuid Definitely not a banana Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    It was directed at everyone. Just happened to come after your post.

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  • NintoNinto Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    muninn wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Hitman sucked

    This is objective fact

    Yeah, but the female love interest was smokin' hot.

    She's also the new Bond girl.

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  • 1ddqd1ddqd Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Ninto wrote: »
    muninn wrote: »
    Olivaw wrote: »
    Hitman sucked

    This is objective fact

    Yeah, but the female love interest was smokin' hot.

    She's also the new Bond girl.

    So I suppose now is the time to point out Mila Kunis is in Max Payne. Not sure if she's breaking her mold too much, but I don't think she should be the pick for Mona. Of course, my pick would be Milla Jovovich, but let's not typecast an actress more than she already is.

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