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ROUND TWO: FIGHT H: RESULTS

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    Wait, battle world is NOT Earth right? In which case there is no fucking infonet is there? Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know.


    Once again I must say that blowing Bigby into space is simply not an option. The guy controls wind ferchrissakes.
    I agree that the infonet shouldn't be there, but I think the response is "If th characters don't get to use their powers, why are they even in the contest?" So we bend the rules to make it a fight.

    Weren't other heroes in these fights limited by the battleworld setting? I seem to recall a few examples of "there's no water nearby" for Namor etc.

    If Cable has no infonet to tap into I don't see how he can use it on the other combatants.

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Namor had water in his fight. I'm pretty sure he won because of it. (He won, right?)

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    WearingglassesWearingglasses Of the friendly neighborhood variety Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Namor won Round 2. Imperius Rex, and all.

    So how does Ambrose Chase lose, anyway? He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses, now.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Namor won Round 2. Imperius Rex, and all.

    So how does Ambrose Chase lose, anyway? He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses, now.
    Hulk smash.

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    ReatheranReatheran Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Namor won Round 2. Imperius Rex, and all.

    So how does Ambrose Chase lose, anyway? He doesn't seem to have any weaknesses, now.

    Well, he's very hard to hit, yes, but I'm not seeing how he can actually hurt the Hulk. Even if his field prevents him from just getting smashed, it couldn't end at better than a draw between those two. Also, from what I understand, there's a concious component to his physics-warping. If Bigby got the drop on him (possible, as Bigby's got a lot of experiance at stealth), he might be able to just tear him in two before Chase could stop him.

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    NinjaSquirrelNinjaSquirrel Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Can someone give me an example of the strongest thing that Bigby has done with his wind powers? I'm not familar with the character and I don't want to place him poorly just because I don't understand his powers. What's the heaviest object he's moved and fastest that he moved it? To go along with this about his strength and invulnerability. What is the most impressive thing he's done with physical strength and what amount of burst damage has he taken and survived while still being able to reasonably fight?

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    ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I can't remember scenes, but basically, if wind can do it, he can make it do it. We're talking above record-breaking hurricane strength winds. With no apparent range limit. He can probably carry a few tons while in wolf form (no really suited for lifting though), and he's so gigantic he can take a hell of a lot of gun fire. Chase's guns would not hurt him unless the bullets were silver. Cable's might be damaging enough to hurt him, silver or not, but only his really big ones.

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    Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.

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    BlankspaceBlankspace __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2006
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.
    He can change into Bigby Wolf the man and use the sword.

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    Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.
    He doesn't need the sword to beat these guys. I just thought adding it would get more people to vote for him.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.
    He doesn't need the sword to beat these guys. I just thought adding it would get more people to vote for him.

    ...

    You know, this competition is really starting to make me like Fables less and less.

    Seriously, if you think a big wolf with wind powers can take out the Hulk...you really need to read more comics.

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    Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.
    He doesn't need the sword to beat these guys. I just thought adding it would get more people to vote for him.

    ...

    You know, this competition is really starting to make me like Fables less and less.
    Yeah, sorry. I should have added something to let people know I wasn't serious. I just couldn't resist tossing that in.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.
    He doesn't need the sword to beat these guys. I just thought adding it would get more people to vote for him.

    ...

    You know, this competition is really starting to make me like Fables less and less.

    Seriously, if you think a big wolf with wind powers can take out the Hulk...you really need to read more comics.

    You'd think that after Ang Lee's abortion, Hulk fans would shut up already. But no, you'd be wrong.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Oh yeah, because that really has a lot to do with this fight.

    Superman had a couple of bad movies too. I guess that means some guy with vauge superpowers and guns could take him out.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    Oh yeah, because that really has a lot to do with this fight.

    Superman had a couple of bad movies too. I guess that means some guy with vauge superpowers and guns could take him out.

    I don't particularly like Superman either.

    I find both characters extremely boring.

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    deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    jeepguy wrote:
    Furu wrote:
    Oh yeah, because that really has a lot to do with this fight.

    Superman had a couple of bad movies too. I guess that means some guy with vauge superpowers and guns could take him out.

    I don't particularly like Superman either.

    I find both characters extremely boring.
    You should read Planet Hulk.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    So what? This is not a popularity contest. Shit like this is why Deadpool's been able to squeeze by so many fights he should have very well lost.

    You can't hurt. The Hulk. With guns. I don't care if you're a fan or not, it's a fact.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    All contests like this are popularity contests. I bet you think elections aren't popularity contests either.

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    Adaemus1sfAdaemus1sf Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    So what? This is not a popularity contest. Shit like this is why Deadpool's been able to squeeze by so many fights he should have very well lost.

    You can't hurt. The Hulk. With guns. I don't care if you're a fan or not, it's a fact.
    No one's saying the Hulk will get taken out with guns. In fact, only Ambrose would have to rely on guns. Cable and Bigby both have ways to remov him from the fight that don't rely on being strong, or even dealing damage.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    jeepguy wrote:
    All contests like that are popularity contests. I bet you think elections aren't popularity contests either.

    No, what i'm saying is you're supposed to look at everyone's powers and skills without bias and vote based on that, like everyone else.

    Not based on "this guy sucks and this guy is better for the sole reason that I like him". Your "reasoning" is absolute bullshit.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    jeepguy wrote:
    All contests like that are popularity contests. I bet you think elections aren't popularity contests either.

    No, what i'm saying is you're supposed to look at everyone's powers and skills without bias and vote based on that, like everyone else.

    Not based on "this guy sucks and this guy is better for the sole reason that I like him".

    I think I made it pretty clear why I think Bigby would win.

    Brains + strategy + hundreds of years of being an ellusive predator + sneaky bastard = win.

    The only person I voted down based on my own low opinion of him was Iron Man.

    Cable honestly sucks donkey balls. I remember when he first appeared and ruined New Mutants. God, Liefeld is such a fucking hack.

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    jeepguy wrote:
    The only person I voted down based on my own low opinion of him was Iron Man.

    Cable honestly sucks donkey balls. I remember when he first appeared and ruined New Mutants. God, Liefeld is such a fucking hack.

    You see, these two statements really don't seem to mesh.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    jeepguy wrote:
    The only person I voted down based on my own low opinion of him was Iron Man.

    Cable honestly sucks donkey balls. I remember when he first appeared and ruined New Mutants. God, Liefeld is such a fucking hack.

    You see, these two statements really don't seem to mesh.

    Cable shouldn't even be able to stand up. Is his super power defiance of gravity or something?

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
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    What the hell are you even talking about?

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    That's not even remotely what Cable looked like for the first several years he existed.

    But that's not surprising, why shouldn't Marvel's most convoluted and backasswards character be having a physical identity crisis to go along with his Final Fantasy VII-worthy background?

    -edit-

    [spoiler:94864b9e81]Aeris dies.[/spoiler:94864b9e81]

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    FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    You know, the fact that how a character was once drawn has nothing to do with this competition at all aside, the "LOL LIEFELD" thing is completely irrelevent because that's not the version of Cable that's in the contest.

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Furu wrote:
    Adaemus1sf wrote:
    magic physics powers. piss off.

    and why does a big ass wolf need a sword.
    He doesn't need the sword to beat these guys. I just thought adding it would get more people to vote for him.

    ...

    You know, this competition is really starting to make me like Fables less and less.

    Seriously, if you think a big wolf with wind powers can take out the Hulk...you really need to read more comics.

    Seriously, if you think the Hulk has never been taken down in a battle you really need to read more comics. See what I did there?


    You can undermine the fact that Bigby has wind powers all you want but it's both those wind powers and the fact that he has the Vorpal Blade that make him capable of beating that hulk. Could Bigby stand toe to toe with the Hulk? I doubt it. Could blow Hulk into space as soon as his feet left the ground? Absolutely.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    You do realize that it's not possible for Bigby to blow anyone into space seeing as there's not enough air up there to propel Hulk actually into space, right?

    And Bigby has never been shown to have beyond-tornado wind powers. And tornados are like a summer's breeze to the Hulk.

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    DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    This is why I can never decide who to vote for. It is really hard to make up your mind when you do not read enough comics. I know of Ambrose, and I know he is awesome. I know Cable is very experienced, even though his powers have recently changed in a huge way, I know Hulk is big and really strong and a very good brawler. I have heard that this Bigby is crazy powerful and super cunning.

    Not enough to vote with. :(

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    You do realize that it's not possible for Bigby to blow anyone into space seeing as there's not enough air up there to propel Hulk actually into space, right?

    And Bigby has never been shown to have beyond-tornado wind powers. And tornados are like a summer's breeze to the Hulk.

    There is plenty of "Air" up there. There may not be as much oxygen, but there is air and where there's air, there's wind.
    And it doesn't matter how strong hulk is, as soon as he leaves the ground he may as well be a kitten. Hulk is strongest there is but he does not have super gravity powers.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    You do realize that it's not possible for Bigby to blow anyone into space seeing as there's not enough air up there to propel Hulk actually into space, right?

    And Bigby has never been shown to have beyond-tornado wind powers. And tornados are like a summer's breeze to the Hulk.

    There is plenty of "Air" up there. There may not be as much oxygen, but there is air and where there's air, there's wind.
    And it doesn't matter how strong hulk is, as soon as he leaves the ground he may as well be a kitten. Hulk is strongest there is but he does not have super gravity powers.

    No

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    there is not enough air in the upper atmosphere for winds to blow hard enough to toss Hulk around.

    Because the atmosphere is very thin up there, close to space.

    You see, it is almost a vacuum.

    God damnit.

    And Hulk can do that sonic boom clap thing, which, knowing how hard Hulk can do that, might be a valid defense against too much wind tampering by Bigby.

    And besides, unless Bigby can conjure up some Jupiter's Red Spot-level gale force winds, he isn't getting Hulk close to space anyway. And Bigby can't conjure up winds that move at speeds of over a thousand kilometers per hour.

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I see Bigby using his winds to propel the other combatants right into the Hulk.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    robosagogo wrote:
    I see Bigby using his winds to propel the other combatants right into the Hulk.

    That wouldn't work on Cable, though.

    Forcefields capable of withstanding a nuke and all.

    Or Ambrose what with the bending of physics and shit.


    Basically it's not a very solid tactic.

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    You do realize that it's not possible for Bigby to blow anyone into space seeing as there's not enough air up there to propel Hulk actually into space, right?

    And Bigby has never been shown to have beyond-tornado wind powers. And tornados are like a summer's breeze to the Hulk.

    There is plenty of "Air" up there. There may not be as much oxygen, but there is air and where there's air, there's wind.
    And it doesn't matter how strong hulk is, as soon as he leaves the ground he may as well be a kitten. Hulk is strongest there is but he does not have super gravity powers.

    No

    you see

    there is not enough air in the upper atmosphere for winds to blow hard enough to toss Hulk around.

    Because the atmosphere is very thin up there, close to space.

    You see, it is almost a vacuum.

    God damnit.

    And Hulk can do that sonic boom clap thing, which, knowing how hard Hulk can do that, might be a valid defense against too much wind tampering by Bigby.

    And besides, unless Bigby can conjure up some Jupiter's Red Spot-level gale force winds, he isn't getting Hulk close to space anyway. And Bigby can't conjure up winds that move at speeds of over a thousand kilometers per hour.

    The Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases contained by the Earth's gravity. How the fuck is that "almost a vacuum"?

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    You do realize that it's not possible for Bigby to blow anyone into space seeing as there's not enough air up there to propel Hulk actually into space, right?

    And Bigby has never been shown to have beyond-tornado wind powers. And tornados are like a summer's breeze to the Hulk.

    There is plenty of "Air" up there. There may not be as much oxygen, but there is air and where there's air, there's wind.
    And it doesn't matter how strong hulk is, as soon as he leaves the ground he may as well be a kitten. Hulk is strongest there is but he does not have super gravity powers.

    No

    you see

    there is not enough air in the upper atmosphere for winds to blow hard enough to toss Hulk around.

    Because the atmosphere is very thin up there, close to space.

    You see, it is almost a vacuum.

    God damnit.

    And Hulk can do that sonic boom clap thing, which, knowing how hard Hulk can do that, might be a valid defense against too much wind tampering by Bigby.

    And besides, unless Bigby can conjure up some Jupiter's Red Spot-level gale force winds, he isn't getting Hulk close to space anyway. And Bigby can't conjure up winds that move at speeds of over a thousand kilometers per hour.

    The Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases contained by the Earth's gravity. How the fuck is that "almost a vacuum"?

    I'm sorry are you dense?

    I said that Bigby couldn't blow the Hulk into space because the higher you go, the less air there is to create wind.

    You are saying that the air pressure and density in the upper stratosphere are exactly the same as at ground level, which is flat-out untrue.

    In fact, over half of the atmosphere's entire mass lies below the peak of Mount Everest.

    There, I have disproven your pitiful ranting with the help of

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    EDIT: Not to mention that in all but one or two areas of the battlefield there are many things Hulk could easily hold on to. AND Bigby can only control LOCAL winds, meaning that his range extends out to only about a mile or two, maybe three, tops, which isn't even remotely enough to, you know, get even anywhere close to space, which is like fifty miles up.

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    robosagogorobosagogo Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    robosagogo wrote:
    I see Bigby using his winds to propel the other combatants right into the Hulk.

    That wouldn't work on Cable, though.

    Forcefields capable of withstanding a nuke and all.

    Or Ambrose what with the bending of physics and shit.


    Basically it's not a very solid tactic.

    They probably need to see it coming to stop it.

    And I still don't believe Ambrose can alter velocity.

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    Spectre-x wrote:
    You do realize that it's not possible for Bigby to blow anyone into space seeing as there's not enough air up there to propel Hulk actually into space, right?

    And Bigby has never been shown to have beyond-tornado wind powers. And tornados are like a summer's breeze to the Hulk.

    There is plenty of "Air" up there. There may not be as much oxygen, but there is air and where there's air, there's wind.
    And it doesn't matter how strong hulk is, as soon as he leaves the ground he may as well be a kitten. Hulk is strongest there is but he does not have super gravity powers.

    No

    you see

    there is not enough air in the upper atmosphere for winds to blow hard enough to toss Hulk around.

    Because the atmosphere is very thin up there, close to space.

    You see, it is almost a vacuum.

    God damnit.

    And Hulk can do that sonic boom clap thing, which, knowing how hard Hulk can do that, might be a valid defense against too much wind tampering by Bigby.

    And besides, unless Bigby can conjure up some Jupiter's Red Spot-level gale force winds, he isn't getting Hulk close to space anyway. And Bigby can't conjure up winds that move at speeds of over a thousand kilometers per hour.

    The Earth's atmosphere is a layer of gases contained by the Earth's gravity. How the fuck is that "almost a vacuum"?

    I'm sorry are you dense?

    I said that Bigby couldn't blow the Hulk into space because the higher you go, the less air there is to create wind.

    You are saying that the air pressure and density in the upper stratosphere are exactly the same as at ground level, which is flat-out untrue.

    In fact, over half of the atmosphere's entire mass lies below the peak of Mount Everest.

    There, I have disproven your pitiful ranting with the help of



    EDIT: Not to mention that in all but one or two areas of the battlefield there are many things Hulk could easily hold on to. AND Bigby can only control LOCAL winds, meaning that his range extends out to only about a mile or two, maybe three, tops, which isn't even remotely enough to, you know, get even anywhere close to space, which is like fifty miles up.

    I didn't say air pressure and atmospheric density are the same on the ground and near space. I said that it's not a vacuum, which you seemed to imply it was. SCIENCE!!!

    I see no reason why Bigby couldn't simply launch anyone into the air and continually concentrate the winds going up and up until they're in the upper atmosphere. The density of air doesn't matter simply because Bigby iis pushing wind up in that direction, not using the air that is already up there.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    I said it was almost a vacuum. The air is much less dense there.

    And Bigby can't push people into space regardless of air density. He can control local winds. Thousands of feet up in the air does not in any way count as "local" anymore.


    SCIENCE!

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    SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Good lord. The upper atmosphere is not "almost a vacuum". I honestly have no idea where the hell you're getting that idea.
    And Bigby is still controlling the winds locally, regardless of how high they're going.

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    Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited October 2006
    Good lord. The upper atmosphere is not "almost a vacuum". I honestly have no idea where the hell you're getting that idea.
    And Bigby is still controlling the winds locally, regardless of how high they're going.

    I admit I was being hyperbolic, but still.

    And no, Bigby would not be controlling local winds anymore. Calling winds that are several miles up in the air local would be like saying that a 747 flying over you is around, even though it's over six miles above you.

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