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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    What did she say?

    Tach on
  • DHSDHS Chase lizards.. ...bark at donkeys..Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    Um...

    Now, I'm not one to make the obvious assertion about the stupidity of wingnuts, but had it not occurred to them that in Electoral Politics, the basic mathematical principal that Less < More? Thus, making the downside obvious.

    DHS on
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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    They're right. This is more of a Diaspora than a civil war.

    A civil war would involve the two sides fighting over the future of the party. Instead, the moderates are simply abandoning the party to the extremists.

    Hedgethorn on
  • JokermanJokerman Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    OptimusZed wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Goumindong wrote: »
    Jokerman wrote: »
    [saved from being BOTP'd. because i need reasurrence]
    I also fear for my country, due to the fact that my friends is dumb as hell.

    Our conversation, in the spoiler
    Disorder Silence (12:31:19 PM): What up?
    Kawazu Raccoon (12:32:09 PM): not much, going to two different drum circles today, how bout you?
    Disorder Silence (12:33:20 PM): chilling
    Disorder Silence (12:35:27 PM): Reading about Colin Powells endorsement
    Kawazu Raccoon (12:36:37 PM): wha?
    Disorder Silence (12:37:12 PM): Colin Powell was all "Yeah i'm voting for Obama, eat my dick"
    Disorder Silence (12:37:27 PM): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kO9TtHYzQ
    Disorder Silence (12:37:31 PM): also, that
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:00:34 PM): well goddammafuck
    Disorder Silence (1:02:43 PM): Yeah, fucking awesome
    Disorder Silence (1:37:09 PM): it's getting better all the time
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:37:25 PM): Is it?
    Disorder Silence (1:37:35 PM): fuck a it is my friend, fuck a
    Disorder Silence (1:38:21 PM): You ponder on this, in three months time we will have a working liberal majority in our government, while the conservatives took the government in canada
    Disorder Silence (1:38:57 PM): your girlfriend who lives in canada was quite sad
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:39:42 PM): I don't even dwell on politics anymore
    Disorder Silence (1:40:00 PM): Apathy is not the answer my friend
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:40:30 PM): I'm not apathetic, I just have no faith in this form of government
    Disorder Silence (1:40:50 PM): repersentive republic?
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:41:11 PM): no, fascist theocracy
    Disorder Silence (1:42:01 PM): I think it would be pushing it to claim either party is campaigning on the fascist theocracy platform
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:42:23 PM): they're not but that's what the government is, I don't give a fuck what they call it
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:42:57 PM): when governments and corporations merge, that's facism, and the religious fundamentalists will run this country no matter who's in charge
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:43:12 PM): thus, this nation is a fascist theocracy
    Disorder Silence (1:43:55 PM): Uh, when government and Buisness merge they call that socialism. And the religious fundemantalist have lost alot of there pull now that people are strugling to keep bread and milk on the table
    Disorder Silence (1:44:19 PM): Look at someone like Sarah Palin, she is a fundies wet dream, and yet they're lagging behind in the polls
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:44:22 PM): Socialism is distributing finances equally
    Disorder Silence (1:44:27 PM): thats comunism
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:44:32 PM): same thing
    Disorder Silence (1:44:53 PM): No, communism is an application of socialism
    Disorder Silence (1:45:16 PM): Socioalism is all about nationalizing industries, big government, and equality
    Disorder Silence (1:45:37 PM): And some people would argue a progressive tax, but i think thats bullshit
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:45:44 PM): Fascism

    1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
    Disorder Silence (1:46:56 PM): Just because our president has consoldated power under the executive branch doesnt mean we're a fascist state. Look at how much power the congress weilds
    Disorder Silence (1:47:03 PM): look at the power the supreme court weilds
    Disorder Silence (1:47:11 PM): stuff like that does not exist in facism
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:47:23 PM): and look how much power the government-owned corporations have
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:47:41 PM): government-owned corporations meaning it's a fascist system of government to begin with
    Disorder Silence (1:47:57 PM): So you need to back someone who isn't going to give fatcat corperations a tax break. Someone who is going to take the burden off the working class
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:48:06 PM): namely, the Federal Reserve, which isn't even actually a part of our government
    Disorder Silence (1:49:07 PM): the core tennement of socialism is for the government to nationalize buisness, just like in caniada, and england, and france
    Disorder Silence (1:51:13 PM): "Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating state or collective ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and the creation of an egalitarian society.[1][2] Modern socialism originated in the late nineteenth-century working class political movement. Karl Marx posited that socialism would be achieved via class struggle and a proletarian revolution which represents thetransitional stage between capitalism and communism.[3][4]"
    Disorder Silence (1:52:10 PM): we need someone who will put there foot down and say you know what, we've given you a pass for eight years, other people need that money worse then you
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:53:04 PM): and I still say the only real candidate we've had in eight fucking years had the least chance of winning from the start because people are fucking stupid
    Disorder Silence (1:53:19 PM): who would that be?
    Kawazu Raccoon (1:53:32 PM): Ron Paul
    Kawazu Raccoon signed off at 1:56:17 PM.
    kawazuraccoon is offline and will receive your IMs when signing back in.
    disorder Silence head has now exploded
    Srsly, someone make me feel better about this..

    Communism is government controlled business
    Fascism is business controlled government
    Socialism is mixed market government intervention.


    Important distinction there, he got it backwards, you also got it wrong.

    Also, Ron Paul is really dumb.

    Hmm, I'm not sure fascism really has anything to do with business. Can you explain where you're getting that connection?
    "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
    That quote is often attributed to Mussolini, though I've heard that it was actually a dissident that said it.
    The corporate power they're talking about isn't similar to what we refer to as coroporate power.

    Jokerman on
  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Preacher wrote: »
    I am hopeful about the outcome. We were thrilled yesterday when a great American statesman, General Colin Powell, joined our cause. But we cannot let up. And we won't.

    Because one thing we know is that change never comes without a fight. In the final days of campaigns, the say-anything, do-anything politics too often takes over. We've seen it before. And we're seeing it again today. The ugly phone calls. The misleading mail and TV ads. The careless, outrageous comments. All aimed at keeping us from working together, all aimed at stopping change.

    It's getting so bad that even Senator McCain's running mate denounced his tactics last night. As you know, you really have to work hard to violate Governor Palin's standards on negative campaigning.

    Link

    I think that's enough to warrant an OH SNAP!

    Golly gee!

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I'm pretty sure she wasn't a fan of robocalls (and even made a coherent point about it if I remember right!). Also did denounce for sure the comments at her rallies, without noticing she was spurring them on.

    enlightenedbum on
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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    DHS wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    Um...

    Now, I'm not one to make the obvious assertion about the stupidity of wingnuts, but had it not occurred to them that in Electoral Politics, the basic mathematical principal that Less < More? Thus, making the downside obvious.

    A significant number of the NRO columnists believe that the problem in 2008 is that McCain is not conservative enough and is too gracious toward his socialist, baby-killing opponent.

    I do not exaggerate when I say that some of their bloggers believe that the ticket would be doing better if Palin were on the top.

    Hedgethorn on
  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    They're right. This is more of a Diaspora than a civil war.

    A civil war would involve the two sides fighting over the future of the party. Instead, the moderates are simply abandoning the party to the extremists.
    In other words, this is like the teachers going on strike and ceeding power to the 3rd grade class.

    Everyday's a pizza party and dodgeball games abound, but they're fucked when they get to the Standardized Test section of the year.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Couscous on
  • SamSam Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Elitistb wrote: »
    I have an associate at work, and it is pretty difficult to try to discuss Obama with him. He immediately equates Obama to "socialist". Frankly, I'm not so sure why some socialist leanings would be a bad thing at this day and age. "Socialism" to him is an absolute curseword. I have to blame McCarthy, Russia, and China for that attitude.

    This workmate complains about "Why should the rich have to pay higher taxes? I think the lower tax brackets should have to pay the most in taxes." This coming from someone who makes less than 40k a year. I was completely floored. He then followed up this rationale with "Paying higher taxes makes people not want to be rich." I told him that if they'd start paying me 250k a year, I'd be absolutely happy to pay those taxes. How the hell could ANYTHING make someone not want to be rich?


    I gave up after that. I really don't think there is any possibility of changing his mind barring an intercession by some deity or other.


    No, blame your education system and the isolationist culture it is partly responsible for fostering. Even people who today live in former soviet or communist countries are familiar with the concept of socialism being applied in first world capitalist economy nations, such faraway unheard of paradises like Switzerland and Canada. They say there is a strange lager swilling tribe that feasts on "salt and vinegar crisps" who are experimenting with socialized medicine as well.

    Sam on
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    They're right. This is more of a Diaspora than a civil war.

    A civil war would involve the two sides fighting over the future of the party. Instead, the moderates are simply abandoning the party to the extremists.

    They're actually more referring to the pundits than the masses. And to a point, they're correct - the majority of pundits are sticking around and praising McCain and Palin as the Last Best Hope for Humanity or whatever. But every time someone bails or speaks ill of McCain/Palin, they get dismissed as irrelevant. And we're not talking Bob the Blogger, we're talking Buckley and Noonan, Brooks and Will. Some fairly big names who've been reliably conservative for just about ever.

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  • DerrickDerrick Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Sarah Palin- single handedly strangling McCain's campaign since she was chosen.


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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Several top Republicans, including Senators Susan Collins and Norm Coleman, have condemned the tactic. Asked about those criticisms, Palin at first dismissed the matter as "inside baseball stuff" and said it's "some of the campaign top brass’s call on that."
    What the fuck is she saying?

    Couscous on
  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Several top Republicans, including Senators Susan Collins and Norm Coleman, have condemned the tactic. Asked about those criticisms, Palin at first dismissed the matter as "inside baseball stuff" and said it's "some of the campaign top brass’s call on that."
    What the fuck is she saying?

    God damn it, direct quoting palin is like reading a comment page. You feel stupid knowing a real person said that.

    Preacher on
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Derrick wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Sarah Palin- single handedly strangling McCain's campaign since she was chosen.


    "You betcha Joe Sixpack! Check out these hot pics of me by the sea!"
    Albatros_ceja_negra_-_paso_drake_-_noviembre_2005.jpg

    :^:

    Also, this interview with Mark Salter, McCain's chief aide/best friend/ghost writer, is fascinating and a bit bizarre.

    enlightenedbum on
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  • HounHoun Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Several top Republicans, including Senators Susan Collins and Norm Coleman, have condemned the tactic. Asked about those criticisms, Palin at first dismissed the matter as "inside baseball stuff" and said it's "some of the campaign top brass’s call on that."
    What the fuck is she saying?

    That she's got little to no say in a campaign with her name on the ticket. At least, that's what I got out of it.

    Houn on
  • ScreamlineScreamline Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    "If I called all the shots, and if I could wave a magic wand," Palin said, "I would be sitting at a kitchen table with more and more Americans, talking to them about our plan to get the economy back on track and winning the war, and not having to rely on the old conventional ways of campaigning that includes those robocalls, and includes spending so much money on the television ads that, I think, is kind of draining out there in terms of Americans' attention span.

    "They get a bit irritated with just being inundated," she continued, "and you're seeing a lot of that of course with the huge amounts of money that Barack Obama is able to spend on his ads and his robocalls also."

    o_O

    Screamline on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Screamline wrote: »
    "If I called all the shots, and if I could wave a magic wand," Palin said, "I would be sitting at a kitchen table with more and more Americans, talking to them about our plan to get the economy back on track and winning the war, and not having to rely on the old conventional ways of campaigning that includes those robocalls, and includes spending so much money on the television ads that, I think, is kind of draining out there in terms of Americans' attention span.

    "They get a bit irritated with just being inundated," she continued, "and you're seeing a lot of that of course with the huge amounts of money that Barack Obama is able to spend on his ads and his robocalls also."

    o_O

    She makes Quayle look competent.

    Couscous on
  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    They're right. This is more of a Diaspora than a civil war.

    A civil war would involve the two sides fighting over the future of the party. Instead, the moderates are simply abandoning the party to the extremists.

    They're actually more referring to the pundits than the masses. And to a point, they're correct - the majority of pundits are sticking around and praising McCain and Palin as the Last Best Hope for Humanity or whatever. But every time someone bails or speaks ill of McCain/Palin, they get dismissed as irrelevant. And we're not talking Bob the Blogger, we're talking Buckley and Noonan, Brooks and Will. Some fairly big names who've been reliably conservative for just about ever.

    There's NO CIVIL WAR. The dissent is lessening as the others are leaving the area. Next up will be a surge in negative advertising that WILL HAS BEEN WORKING.

    Honestly, there's just a group of people who cannot cope with being Wrong. Thus never learn from mistakes, and will cling desperately to their views no matter what happens. It's the same crew that needs us to be victorious in Iraq because our people cannot have died for no reason. Completely missing that even if we WIN, there still wasn't a reason to GO.

    kildy on
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    It sounds almost like she sees the writing on the wall and is trying to distance herself from the shitty way in which her campaign is being run. I'm not sure if I credit her with enough political acumen to come up with that on her own or not, though.

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  • PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Screamline wrote: »
    "If I called all the shots, and if I could wave a magic wand," Palin said, "I would be sitting at a kitchen table with more and more Americans, talking to them about our plan to get the economy back on track and winning the war, and not having to rely on the old conventional ways of campaigning that includes those robocalls, and includes spending so much money on the television ads that, I think, is kind of draining out there in terms of Americans' attention span.

    "They get a bit irritated with just being inundated," she continued, "and you're seeing a lot of that of course with the huge amounts of money that Barack Obama is able to spend on his ads and his robocalls also."

    o_O

    Ok at this stage they are just making bullshit up and not expecting to get called on it.

    Preacher on
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  • muninnmuninn Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Derrick wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Sarah Palin- single handedly strangling McCain's campaign since she was chosen.


    "You betcha Joe Sixpack! Check out these hot pics of me by the sea!"
    Albatros_ceja_negra_-_paso_drake_-_noviembre_2005.jpg

    It took me a second, but when it hit me, I burst into laughter in a middle of a crowded office. Thanks a lot.

    muninn on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Eeeeee (again)

    Granted it's PPP and they have a slight Democratic lean, but I'm pretty sure they're based in NC and have a reputation of getting that state correct.

    Obama 51, McCain 44.

    In North friggin Carolina.

    enlightenedbum on
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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    They're right. This is more of a Diaspora than a civil war.

    A civil war would involve the two sides fighting over the future of the party. Instead, the moderates are simply abandoning the party to the extremists.

    They're actually more referring to the pundits than the masses. And to a point, they're correct - the majority of pundits are sticking around and praising McCain and Palin as the Last Best Hope for Humanity or whatever. But every time someone bails or speaks ill of McCain/Palin, they get dismissed as irrelevant. And we're not talking Bob the Blogger, we're talking Buckley and Noonan, Brooks and Will. Some fairly big names who've been reliably conservative for just about ever.

    I'm also referring to the pundits. I could see Noonan, Brooks, and Will brand themselves as true Independents rather than moderate Republicans if the GOP swings any more toward the hard right.

    In particular, the more the Republican brand becomes synonymous with fiscal irresponsibility (and Palin's mayoral record, at least, seems to put her firmly in this camp), the more I expect the David Brooks of the world to walk away shaking their heads.

    Hedgethorn on
  • kildykildy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    You'll note she's talking about how irritated we are with all of Obama's ads and robocalls, ignoring that his numbers are going up, and he's being outspent 3-1 on robocalls.

    Americans are used to shit on TV between shows.

    Americans passed a law to keep us from getting called at night by random fucking machines trying to sell us shit.

    kildy on
  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Also video of Obama smacking McCain:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luGPbkKqTE4

    enlightenedbum on
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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    kildy wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Hedgethorn wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    NRO continues to assert that moderate Republicans fleeing the party in droves does not constitute the beginning of a party civil war, because all of the true conservatives are sticking around.

    As best I can tell, "True Conservatives" are defined as those Republicans who haven't yet fled, as opposed to notorious liberal softies like Chris Buckley and Peggy Noonan.

    They're right. This is more of a Diaspora than a civil war.

    A civil war would involve the two sides fighting over the future of the party. Instead, the moderates are simply abandoning the party to the extremists.

    They're actually more referring to the pundits than the masses. And to a point, they're correct - the majority of pundits are sticking around and praising McCain and Palin as the Last Best Hope for Humanity or whatever. But every time someone bails or speaks ill of McCain/Palin, they get dismissed as irrelevant. And we're not talking Bob the Blogger, we're talking Buckley and Noonan, Brooks and Will. Some fairly big names who've been reliably conservative for just about ever.

    There's NO CIVIL WAR. The dissent is lessening as the others are leaving the area. Next up will be a surge in negative advertising that WILL HAS BEEN WORKING.

    Honestly, there's just a group of people who cannot cope with being Wrong. Thus never learn from mistakes, and will cling desperately to their views no matter what happens. It's the same crew that needs us to be victorious in Iraq because our people cannot have died for no reason. Completely missing that even if we WIN, there still wasn't a reason to GO.

    It certainly wouldn't be a conventional Civil War. But the intellectuals on the right are all bailing, and the remaining members of the Right's punditocracy would do well to realize that's going to have repercussions. Problem is, they don't see it as the thoughtful guys leaving, because every one of them down to Kathryn Jean Fucking Lopez fancies himself a great thinker.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Eeeeee (again)

    Granted it's PPP and they have a slight Democratic lean, but I'm pretty sure they're based in NC and have a reputation of getting that state correct.

    Obama 51, McCain 44.

    In North friggin Carolina.
    48 percent Democrat, 37 percent Republican. I'm not sure I can believe that the margin would be that fucking wide.

    Hoz on
  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited October 2008
    muninn wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Sarah Palin- single handedly strangling McCain's campaign since she was chosen.


    "You betcha Joe Sixpack! Check out these hot pics of me by the sea!"
    Albatros_ceja_negra_-_paso_drake_-_noviembre_2005.jpg

    It took me a second, but when it hit me, I burst into laughter in a middle of a crowded office. Thanks a lot.

    Oh shit, I just got it too. Subtle but brilliant. I'd report it for awesome, but the plebes wouldn't get it.

    ElJeffe on
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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    Eeeeee (again)

    Granted it's PPP and they have a slight Democratic lean, but I'm pretty sure they're based in NC and have a reputation of getting that state correct.

    Obama 51, McCain 44.

    In North friggin Carolina.
    48 percent Democrat, 37 percent Republican. I'm not sure I can believe that the margin would be that fucking wide.

    Actually Democrats have a huge registration advantage in North Carolina. A lot of them are Dixiecrats/Reagan Democrats though and don't actually vote for Democrats at the Presidential level. Remember John Edwards was elected to the Senate from North Carolina 8 years ago.

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  • OptimusZedOptimusZed Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Also video of Obama smacking McCain:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luGPbkKqTE4
    Ok, with the video, I have to do it.

    OH, SNAP!

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    muninn wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Sarah Palin- single handedly strangling McCain's campaign since she was chosen.


    "You betcha Joe Sixpack! Check out these hot pics of me by the sea!"
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    It took me a second, but when it hit me, I burst into laughter in a middle of a crowded office. Thanks a lot.

    Oh shit, I just got it too. Subtle but brilliant. I'd report it for awesome, but the plebes wouldn't get it.

    Years after i escaped from the desert island i was shipwrecked on, it still brings a tear to my eye when i remember.

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  • HedgethornHedgethorn Associate Professor of Historical Hobby Horses In the Lions' DenRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    Eeeeee (again)

    Granted it's PPP and they have a slight Democratic lean, but I'm pretty sure they're based in NC and have a reputation of getting that state correct.

    Obama 51, McCain 44.

    In North friggin Carolina.
    48 percent Democrat, 37 percent Republican. I'm not sure I can believe that the margin would be that fucking wide.

    I think you're right. The 2004 exit polls reported a 39-40-21 (Dem/Rep/Ind) split in party affiliation. There will be some change in that this year, but probably not that big a change.

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  • tsmvengytsmvengy Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hoz wrote: »
    Eeeeee (again)

    Granted it's PPP and they have a slight Democratic lean, but I'm pretty sure they're based in NC and have a reputation of getting that state correct.

    Obama 51, McCain 44.

    In North friggin Carolina.
    48 percent Democrat, 37 percent Republican. I'm not sure I can believe that the margin would be that fucking wide.

    Actually Democrats have a huge registration advantage in North Carolina. A lot of them are Dixiecrats/Reagan Democrats though and don't actually vote for Democrats at the Presidential level. Remember John Edwards was elected to the Senate from North Carolina 8 years ago.

    Because he's a conservative? Not sure what this means...

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I thought exit polls themselves were weighted.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Also Dems have majorities at the state level in North Carolina, and the current Governor is a Democrat.

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    muninn wrote: »
    Derrick wrote: »
    Couscous wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »

    Remember when the Republican campaign was making fun of Biden for being prone to gaffes? :lol:

    Sarah Palin- single handedly strangling McCain's campaign since she was chosen.


    "You betcha Joe Sixpack! Check out these hot pics of me by the sea!"
    Albatros_ceja_negra_-_paso_drake_-_noviembre_2005.jpg

    It took me a second, but when it hit me, I burst into laughter in a middle of a crowded office. Thanks a lot.

    Oh shit, I just got it too. Subtle but brilliant. I'd report it for awesome, but the plebes wouldn't get it.
    It's a sailboat, right?

    Tach on
  • PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    This will probably be pulled soon but when I saw this on hulu this morning I knew I had to post it here....
    Godwin!

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