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I need to use the Unreal Tournament 3 Editor.

EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
edited October 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
It's for a job interview and the subsequent test. This isn't the only tool that's an option, but given its price and the supposed availability of online tutorials, the tester recommended it. Does anyone have specific tips or resources? Speaking of resources, how big a hog is UT3? I know it's an oldish game, but how oldish?

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    UT3 is about a year old. If you look around local brick and mortar stores you can probably find a copy of the collector's edition (which comes with an extra DVD that includes a bunch of tutorials on the editor) for $20.

    Install size for the base game is 8gb. If you have a fairly modern computer it should run.

    EDIT: System requirements:
    * XP/Vista
    * 2.0 GHz single core CPU (2.4 GHz dual core CPU or faster recommended)
    * 512 MB RAM (1.0 GB RAM or greater recommended)
    * 8.0 GB hard disk drive space
    * NVIDIA 6200 or ATI 9600 video card (NVIDIA 7800GTX or ATI X1300 or faster recommended)
    * DirectX 9.0c compliant sound card
    * Internet (TCP/IP) and LAN (TCP/IP) play supported.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I just got UT3 on Sunday, Collectors edition, for $25 at walmart. I haven't checked out the editor or DVD tutorials yet, but from what I can remember of the original UnrealEd, if it's at all similar, it should be easy for you to pick up and get started with only a few hours.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Incidentally, the other recommended option is Valve Hammer Edition. Is that easier or harder, in your opinion?

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    unreal3.0 is the way to go if you're learning your first editor. It's used more in the industry now than Hammer I believe. You have to buy the special edition of the game to get the editor, it should come with resources.

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  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    NotYou wrote: »
    unreal3.0 is the way to go if you're learning your first editor. It's used more in the industry now than Hammer I believe. You have to buy the special edition of the game to get the editor, it should come with resources.

    You get the UE3 editor with both the regular and collector's edition of UT3. The collector's edition just comes with an extra bonus DVD that includes tutorials and stuff for learning how to use the editor.

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  • NotYouNotYou Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    ah ok, I never bought it, just used it at work for a bit.

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  • frayfray Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I've always found Hammer very user-friendly for the most part, although there are some random bugs and things that are confusing. Haven't really used UnrealEd so I can't really compare the two. If you have HL2 already the SDK is free though, and there's loads of good tutorials and stuff online.

    http://www.moddb.com/tutorials and
    http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Main_Page might be good places to start.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    I've used both Hammer and UnrealEd, they originally functioned in complete opposite ways.

    Level design in Hammer starts with a Void, and all brushes have to be added, including floors, walls, ceilings, and even skyboxes.

    UnrealEd starts with a Mass, and areas within the mass are removed by brushes to create areas. Apparently as of UE3 you now have the option of using Void based level design as well.

    Texturing, lighting, and entity placement is similar in both.

    Personally I found the creation of usable objects easier in Hammer (stuff like elevators, doors, trains, controllable turrets).

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, this is a problem. Apparently my idiotic computer is not even capable of UT3's minimum requirements. So far the editor at least functions, albeit with occasional slowdown, but can I even test a level this way?

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Okay, fuck it, the Valve Hammer Editor is a viable option. UT3 cost a reasonable $20; I'll think of it as an early present to myself to whenever I get my computer upgraded. How bad is Valve's editor, requirement-wise?

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    hammer's been around forever, so you should be able to run it with a computer younger than, say, a decade.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Haha. I got a new one like two years ago. On the cheap for like $600, but it was good enough for games at the time. I'm a console gamer for a reason, you know. Plus at least I can still run Spore without any more trouble than everyone else has, apparently.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    if you could run half life 2 on it, you can run the SDK.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    This may be a dumb question, but this night has left me in a bad and uninspired mood. Where's the best place to dl the Valve Hammer Editor? The first places I found was fileplanet, and all I could download was a 1 meg .exe file with nothing in it.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    If you own any source-based game, I believe you can download it on steam for free.

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    If you don't own a HL game, PM me and when I get home I can gift you a spare copy of HL2 that I still have in my account from when I bought the latest HL2 pack.

    You just need to create a steam account and get the client from steampowered.com

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    No, I have Portal already. And I at least had a copy of Half-Life 2 from an ex-roommate. I still work through his Steam account. If I can't get it dled, though, I might be back with more questions.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Okay, I found the Source SDK, which apparently includes Hammer. Is that all I need, then?

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hmm, well Hammer runs fine, though unlike the tutorials I've seen, the textures don't seem to be appearing manually on the actual view box. I have to apply them via overlays and possibly the texture manually, which doesn't look right. I'm more concerned about what happens when I try to run it. It seems to compile correctly, but I then get an error: "Launcher Error, Failed to load the launcher DLL: The specified module could not be found." Is that because I got this directly from Steam and not the website mentioned above?

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  • RuckusRuckus Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Did you configure the hammer launch options properly?

    Also for the texture thing, I assume you mean the top left window (by default) is showing wireframe 3d instead of textured, there's a "View" option for "3d (Textured)".

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  • frayfray Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    That sounds like it could mean Hammer isn't configured to actually run hl2.exe properly after it compiles. Check that the game executable (under build settings or something) is in the right place. There's a bunch of tutorials out there that show you how to set up Hammer properly if you're having trouble.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Hmm, another problem. I can't even seem to find hl.exe via search. I played the game, but via CD. Is it possible that between that and steam, I never even got the game on my computer? The only other HL2 game that I have is Portal, which I downloaded from steam directly.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Oh, is there a good place to download levels? I want to use a few for examples.

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  • KazhiimKazhiim __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2008
    Hmm, another problem. I can't even seem to find hl.exe via search. I played the game, but via CD. Is it possible that between that and steam, I never even got the game on my computer? The only other HL2 game that I have is Portal, which I downloaded from steam directly.

    Try linking it to the portal .exe.

    C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\steamuser@email.com\portal\hl2.exe

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Kazhiim wrote: »
    Hmm, another problem. I can't even seem to find hl.exe via search. I played the game, but via CD. Is it possible that between that and steam, I never even got the game on my computer? The only other HL2 game that I have is Portal, which I downloaded from steam directly.

    Try linking it to the portal .exe.

    C:\Program Files\Steam\steamapps\steamuser@email.com\portal\hl2.exe


    ...okay, computer search engine, how the HELL did you miss that? Actually, it was Program Files\Valve\Steam\etc. for me, but close enough, damnit.

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  • exoplasmexoplasm Gainfully Employed Near Blizzard HQRegistered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Where do you get a job interview that requires a map editor test?

    Seriously... do want.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    exoplasm wrote: »
    Where do you get a job interview that requires a map editor test?

    Seriously... do want.

    It's in the Chicago area, if that helps. As for the rest....I'll tell you in three days.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, so much for the easy answer. Changing the .exe and Gameinfo.txt to $SteamUserDir/Half Life 2 folders not only didn't help, it stopped me from seeing even the level in the editor. I changed it back to $SteamUserDir/portal and /portal/portal, respectively. Are my problems the Game Date Files and Hammer VMF Directories, or are there some other changes as well? Well, I'll look for some more guides on google, too.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, this is a new one. The good news is I got a map to compile and run. The bad news is after making a few changes, whenever it compiled, the changes first never showed up; it just defaulted to the earlier version. After that, as soon as I exited out the program and tried to load the old maps, it failed instantly. I had the following errors in order:

    Out of memory loading solid

    File …../filename.vmf, line 780: error 7.

    And the the program either closed automatically or I got this line instead:

    The instruction at "0x0dbe3923" referenced memory at "0x0dbe3923". The memory could not be “read.”

    Click on OK to terminate the program.

    Either way, as that line suggested, the program closed.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, here's a new one. I think something's messed up in my Vertex Tool. It worked fine normally, but as soon as I click and drag on anything except but a vertex, it creates a blue box that doesn't interact with the actual object and just won't go away. I can try to alter any object's vertices, but the blue box shows up for all them. Did anyone ever see this, and what do I do to make this tool useful again?

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Nevermind, I got this one at least.

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  • EmperorSethEmperorSeth Registered User regular
    edited October 2008
    Well, the level could be better. It needs more environmental elements, the ladder sucks ass, and I could refine it some more, but it is....completed. I feel really proud of myself right now. Yes, people have taken years to learn these programs, but I put forth a decent effort in a matter of days in my free time. And I enjoyed it! That's more than I can say about programming water softeners.

    We could lock this if you want, but I'll probably give a report on the results of the interview in a few days, assuming the results come that quickly. And I think some people wanted to be referred to the job itself. So I wouldn't mind keeping it open for a little longer.

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