On the whole Palin as President (Or, for that matter, anything) idea, when she was running for governor she said that if her daughter was raped and became pregnant, she would have her carry it to term.
On the whole Palin as President (Or, for that matter, anything) idea, when she was running for governor she said that if her daughter was raped and became pregnant, she would have her carry it to term.
Bad person.
Well God obviously wanted her to be raped and to have living proof of it for the rest of her ( or it's) life.
duh.
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I think a part of this is, the people who vote republican aren't necessarily voting for Palin or McCain, but for the party and what they think the party stands for. Those who are staunch Republicans will defend whatever they can since they believe in what the Republicans are/will/should be doing or tell us they will be doing. I've got some folks in my office like this.
Also, the talk of not voting, highly consider voting for a third party. If you're sick of the two party bullshit, at least put the effort in trying to put a third contender in there. The two major parties have excelled in getting people to think their votes are worthless if they are voting for a third party and we're buying into it. No, it's not some kind of quick fix as if everyone's going to do it this year. However, if people notice a third party candidate actually has some kind of chance, even to take one state, that should pick up to the greater public opinion for a real chance.
We the people do hold the power here. We could vote in anyone we want. We just tend to buy into what the parties sell and only vote one of them in. I mean, here in MN we had Governor Ventura and I'd imagine a number of other states have had independants take governer positions or senate seats etc. It's unfortunate that Joe and Jane public tend to favor being uninformed and seeing this as a every 4th year comedy show.
Neither because balancing the budget in a recession is really really dumb. A recession is when you need the government spending like a drunken sailor to trigger economic growth. Of course McCain lies about this, or is a neo-Hooverite. It's not entirely clear which one.
We would not be in a recession if not for the completely shitty policies of previous years democrat and republican alike. Quick how do we get out of this hole, i know Lets spend our way out!
Why are we in a housing crisis? Let see, policies to loosen lending to people that we knew could not afford them. However one party wanted to put people in homes, even if they could not afford them. Hey lets go invade iraq, why? No one is really sure these days, heck the one thing we do know is that it was not WMD's.
However lets just gloss over everyone's little fuckups and listen as the party line screams things will be better. What is going to happen is things are going to get worse, and then things are going to make a large amount of people unhappy. Who we vote for is largely going to determine who is miserable, but neither side is going to make anyone happy.
But at least we can drink until Palin gets naked right?
And with this you prove that you know nothing about Keynesian economics or the housing markets. Bravo,good sir, bravo.
No, flooding the market with cheap money right now will at best be putting on a band-aid after you cut off your arm. It will just lead to further devaluation of the dollar for something that really does need to cycle itself out for us to truly come out of it. The New Deal only gave a slight ease to the economy during the Depression. What actually brought us out of it was mobilizing for WWII.
The dollar is at a 2 year high. So I don't see why we're concerned about devaluation.
No, flooding the market with cheap money right now will at best be putting on a band-aid after you cut off your arm. It will just lead to further devaluation of the dollar for something that really does need to cycle itself out for us to truly come out of it. The New Deal only gave a slight ease to the economy during the Depression. What actually brought us out of it was mobilizing for WWII.
What exactly do you think 'mobilizing for WWII' was if not massive government intervention? You think unicorns bought all the tanks for us to use?
Who sees Palin speaking and agrees that she's fit to be president?
Oh that's right I went to President. Because there's a good chance that she'd find herself holding the reins at some point. Is she qualified to be president?
If the President's doctors can keep Dick Cheney, whose heart has a dozen scars on it already, alive as VP for eight years, they'll make sure McCain lasts at least four. Back in 1999, did anyone here really expect Cheney would make it the whole way through?
Cheney wasn't 72 and hasn't gone through any significant physical trauma in his lifetime.
He's no spring chicken, either. Again, I'd say McCain would be in good hands if he were serviced by the same doctors who looked over Cheney. That's all just a guess but I'm not convinced McCain would croak from poor health after a month or two in office.
Who sees Palin speaking and agrees that she's fit to be president?
Oh that's right I went to President. Because there's a good chance that she'd find herself holding the reins at some point. Is she qualified to be president?
If the President's doctors can keep Dick Cheney, whose heart has a dozen scars on it already, alive as VP for eight years, they'll make sure McCain lasts at least four. Back in 1999, did anyone here really expect Cheney would make it the whole way through?
Cheney wasn't 72 and hasn't gone through any significant physical trauma in his lifetime.
He's no spring chicken, either. Again, I'd say McCain would be in good hands if he were serviced by the same doctors who looked over Cheney. That's all just a guess but I'm not convinced McCain would croak from poor health after a month or two in office.
It's my opinion that the only thing keeping him moving now is the hope of fucking his running mate, her daughter tells us just how long that's gonna last.
It's my opinion that the only thing keeping him moving now is the hope of fucking his running mate, her daughter tells us just how long that's gonna last.
Colbert did mention that porno 'Nailin' Paylin' on his show last night .... :winky:
I was worried by Palin when she reared her head; worried that this populist culture-wars candidate would capture the initiative and carry it through to the election. But it hasnt happened that way.
I think thats because she has wedged the Republican party far more than democrats. For every one 'base' small town evangelical who's enthusiastic about Palin, theres an undecided voter and a moderate republican who are alienated by her.
I like Palin for two reasons. First off, there's a lack of role models for women who can handle both a rifle and a high profile career. Second, once the pubs get hammered this election maybe they'll start paying more attention to the socially moderate and fiscally conservative segment of the population instead of the evangelicals.
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The thing is that I think that the threat of Palin is overblown. If she actually wound up as the president, I have a feeling she would be completely ineffective and indecisive. Basically like a Republican version of Carter. She'd be a deer in the headlights..or moose, as it were.
The New Yorker actually had a piece last week on the selection of Palin which might answer some of the op's question.
Wow that article is informative. You have to take it with a grain of salt since The New Yorker has endorsed the Obama campaign, which IMO puts their objectivity in question. But that's a great read, thanks for the link.
I'm horribly turned off to Palin, but my wife (who was a Hillary supporter and a registered Democrat) really likes her and is voting McCain. I'm a Naval Officer so I have the utmost respect for John McCain, but I can't stomach Palin. I'd like to think it's because of the issues (I'm non-religious, pro-choice and want the country to focus on domestic issues so I guess that aligns me with the Democrats), but I just can't stand how she shoves that "folksy" shit down our throats. Some people eat that up, but I just gag and want a glass of water.
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The main reason I don't like Palin is that she said (paraphrasing) "Obama doesn't know how to WIN (not paraphrased actual word) the war in Iraq!"
Iraq doesn't want us there.
We are occupying Iraq at this point.
How does one WIN the situation in Iraq?
(And yes I have been to Iraq before you question my occupation versus fighting a war idea)
The same way one wins the War on Drugs or the War on Terror.
Spoiler alert:
they don't.
Clarification: You can get to a point where you can withdraw, but victory without any definition like McCain wants? Not anytime in my lifetime.
A fair chunk of Palin supporters are people who listen to Beck/Limbaugh/Hannity and believe every word they say. This same group of people have no other news source, except perhaps Fox News but isn't that really the same thing?
I find it telling when hardcore, smart conservatives are jumping ship and citing Palin (and what it says about McCain's judgement).
I like Palin for two reasons. First off, there's a lack of role models for women who can handle both a rifle and a high profile career. Second, once the pubs get hammered this election maybe they'll start paying more attention to the socially moderate and fiscally conservative segment of the population instead of the evangelicals.
I'm not sure she can handle the former all that well, and she's completely flubbed the latter. It would be nice if this election caused a return to moderates gaining power in both parties, though. The kooks have been in control of the GOP for far too long.
I was worried by Palin when she reared her head; worried that this populist culture-wars candidate would capture the initiative and carry it through to the election. But it hasnt happened that way.
I think thats because she has wedged the Republican party far more than democrats. For every one 'base' small town evangelical who's enthusiastic about Palin, theres an undecided voter and a moderate republican who are alienated by her.
I like Palin for two reasons. First off, there's a lack of role models for women who can handle both a rifle and a high profile career. Second, once the pubs get hammered this election maybe they'll start paying more attention to the socially moderate and fiscally conservative segment of the population instead of the evangelicals.
I'm not sure she can handle the former all that well, and she's completely flubbed the latter. It would be nice if this election caused a return to moderates gaining power in both parties, though. The kooks have been in control of the GOP for far too long.
It won't.
After this election, there will be a war inside the GOP between the moderates who'll say the party should have broader central appeal, and the extremists who'll say they lost because they weren't extreme enough. Now consider the people in the party:
* George W Bush, an extremist.
* Karl Rove, an extremist.
* John McCain, formally a centrist until he lost to Bush, then became an extremist to get the nomination
* Sarah Palin, basically Bush with lipstick on
* Most Republican seats left in congress will be the redest of the red. The safest, most extreme seats.
* And let's not forget the pundits. O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, the idiot with the bowtie.... extremists the lot of them. Arguably some of them are putting up a fake extremist persona for the sake of ratings, but that makes no difference.
* Extremist preachers around the states who'll tell their congregations they lost the election because they forsake their god-commanded extremist ways.
Meanwhile, on the centrist side:
* That Muslim guy who chased away the bigoted assholes at a McCain rally, before the McCain camp told him to sit down and be quiet.
* People like in Djinn's videos, who will be labelled RINOs and dismissed as traitors.
So my money's on the GOP sinking much deeper into extremist territory before 2012.
I like Palin for two reasons. First off, there's a lack of role models for women who can handle both a rifle and a high profile career. Second, once the pubs get hammered this election maybe they'll start paying more attention to the socially moderate and fiscally conservative segment of the population instead of the evangelicals.
I'm not sure she can handle the former all that well, and she's completely flubbed the latter. It would be nice if this election caused a return to moderates gaining power in both parties, though. The kooks have been in control of the GOP for far too long.
It won't.
After this election, there will be a war inside the GOP between the moderates who'll say the party should have broader central appeal, and the extremists who'll say they lost because they weren't extreme enough. Now consider the people in the party:
* George W Bush, an extremist.
* Karl Rove, an extremist.
* John McCain, formally a centrist until he lost to Bush, then became an extremist to get the nomination
* Sarah Palin, basically Bush with lipstick on
* Most Republican seats left in congress will be the redest of the red. The safest, most extreme seats.
* And let's not forget the pundits. O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, the idiot with the bowtie.... extremists the lot of them. Arguably some of them are putting up a fake extremist persona for the sake of ratings, but that makes no difference.
* Extremist preachers around the states who'll tell their congregations they lost the election because they forsake their god-commanded extremist ways.
Meanwhile, on the centrist side:
* That Muslim guy who chased away the bigoted assholes at a McCain rally, before the McCain camp told him to sit down and be quiet.
* People like in Djinn's videos, who will be labelled RINOs and dismissed as traitors.
So my money's on the GOP sinking much deeper into extremist territory before 2012.
Yeah, but 2012 is not the end of time; Mayan calendars be damned. You always end up with a more disaffected rump after a tough contest, and the Congress is poised to become more Southern evangelical in terms of Republican Representatives as moderate republicans get uprooted in favour of democrats with the new election. That said, there's going to be a backlash against the Democrats and it isn't going to be a long time coming. This could easily work to promote more moderates gaining power and restoring some equilibrium. Plus the new generation of conservatives coming to the fore don't seem like idiots with base appeals.
As a secular, moderate Republican, I really don't support McCain or Palin, but I simply can't stand Obama's attitude towards business. I certainly hope the religious right loses control of the GOP because their nonsensical values are a bane to individual rights and make the entire party look like morons. On that note, I literally face palmed when even Obama said he wouldn't support gay marriage in the debates.
in all honesty i'm sure obama's for gay marriage, but if he flat out supported it, he may have lose votes from homophobic dems.
it's a shitty thing to do, saying he's not backing them, but i think he'll do more for the gays than he's letting on.
That said, there's going to be a backlash against the Democrats and it isn't going to be a long time coming.
How so?
Every President or governing party gets some pushback within 6 years of assuming office. The difference is simply in the size and scope of it. It's happened to everybody from FDR to Clinton. The '06 midterms were just unusual in just how big of a bitchslap got handed to Bush.
That said, there's going to be a backlash against the Democrats and it isn't going to be a long time coming.
How so?
Every President or governing party gets some pushback within 6 years of assuming office. The difference is simply in the size and scope of it. It's happened to everybody from FDR to Clinton. The '06 midterms were just unusual in just how big of a bitchslap got handed to Bush.
Hell, it's very very rare for the incumbent President's party to gain any seats in any midterm. '02 was a huge outlier in that case and it was because of you know, 9/11.
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I have not asked many, but I know of no one who supports Palin.
Her crazed behavior has helped me turn a single issue voter (ABORTION BAD) to apathy this cycle, so at least someone else's vote doesn't get cancelled out.
The implications are, I hope, that the Republican party will in the aftermath of a (probable) defeat, move back towards the center.
Won't happen. We're already seeing the True Conservatives(TM) disavowing themselves of Bush by saying he wasn't conservative enough. A loss like this will lead to purging and focusing on the insane base, not coming back to the center.
The implications are, I hope, that the Republican party will in the aftermath of a (probable) defeat, move back towards the center.
Won't happen. We're already seeing the True Conservatives(TM) disavowing themselves of Bush by saying he wasn't conservative enough. A loss like this will lead to purging and focusing on the insane base, not coming back to the center.
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The implications are, I hope, that the Republican party will in the aftermath of a (probable) defeat, move back towards the center.
Won't happen. We're already seeing the True Conservatives(TM) disavowing themselves of Bush by saying he wasn't conservative enough. A loss like this will lead to purging and focusing on the insane base, not coming back to the center.
Demographics are shifting. Obama's ground game has gotten a huge registration advantage. Those are likely voters who will stick around for the Dems if he does a good job. The Northwest is shifting more democratic. Virginia is getting a huge influx of people from the North. If the GOP focuses only on their base they will lose.
I'm horribly turned off to Palin, but my wife (who was a Hillary supporter and a registered Democrat) really likes her and is voting McCain.
If you wouldn't mind, could you tell us what your wife likes about Palin other than the fact that she's a vagina-american? Or what she likes about McCain? Hillary is so much closer to Obama on 99% of the issues than Palin, so I'm curious why Palin is appealing to her other than the whole female/non-black thing.
The implications are, I hope, that the Republican party will in the aftermath of a (probable) defeat, move back towards the center.
Won't happen. We're already seeing the True Conservatives(TM) disavowing themselves of Bush by saying he wasn't conservative enough. A loss like this will lead to purging and focusing on the insane base, not coming back to the center.
Demographics are shifting. Obama's ground game has gotten a huge registration advantage. Those are likely voters who will stick around for the Dems if he does a good job. The Northwest is shifting more democratic. Virginia is getting a huge influx of people from the North. If the GOP focuses only on their base they will lose.
Yeah, eventually they'll be stuck with nothing but Texas, Oklahoma, and Utah.
I'm horribly turned off to Palin, but my wife (who was a Hillary supporter and a registered Democrat) really likes her and is voting McCain.
If you wouldn't mind, could you tell us what your wife likes about Palin other than the fact that she's a vagina-american? Or what she likes about McCain? Hillary is so much closer to Obama on 99% of the issues than Palin, so I'm curious why Palin is appealing to her other than the whole female/non-black thing.
Racism or sexism, or both. There is simply no other possible explanation. The "experience" argument falls apart because there is simply no way a sane voter will choose the more "experienced" candidate when they differ on 99% of the issues.
My mother supports her, because she is "Down to earth, and knows what it's like to be a normal person". I don't really understand it, My mom doesn't really have the same personal believes as Palin.
I've mentioned this in another thread (one of the earlier election threads I think)...
A lot of us despise the current state of American politics. We hate that the most of the people holding office are politicians, and believe that those seats should be held by farmers, businessmen, soldiers, and "full-time" parents. To a lot of people, Palin is one of those non-politician politicians, and that's what they like.
I'm not saying I agree that she is, but I think that's why a lot of people like her.
So what you are saying is that rather than having the marginally qualified politicians we have now, people would rather have completely unqualified politicians?
I've never gotten this. When Wall Street crashes no one calls for the CEO's of major companies to be replaced by short order cooks, why is it that when the nation has problems all of the sudden people think the perfect solution is to replace the people running it with random jackoffs off the street?
Health care access in this country is at an alltime low, lets replace the doctors with auto mechanics!
So what the fuck do politicians know about such things?
What I'm getting at is:
Guy who knows what to say to get elected vs. guy who knows how to run a business.
-Or-
Guy who knows what to say to get elected vs. guy who knows what it takes to operate as a soldier.
-Or-
Woman who knows what to say to get elected vs. woman who knows what is required of farmers to plant, grow, and harvest crops.
etc etc...
Edit: And health care -access- in the country has little to do with the doctors, and more to do with the administrators and insurers. And, you know, the costs...
...you know that Barack Obama is a Lawyer? A constitutional Lawyer? He has an actual job, actual expertise where he is good at. I mean, shit, what you are talking about? There should be some sort of 500+-man ruling body full of different people from different careers that decide about laws and such in the country? Crazy talk.
Or what, are you saying that one president isn't enough? He would have to be an expert in all those fields you mentioned and more to make a great leader? But that is humanly impossible. If only...if only he wouldhavesomesortofa"cabinet", shall we sayfull of different departments focused on different issues and areas of goverment that can offer their expertise on said issues.
But this is obviously insane, dreams of a madman. No way such a thing could exist in anywhere.
I like Palin for two reasons. First off, there's a lack of role models for women who can handle both a rifle and a high profile career. Second, once the pubs get hammered this election maybe they'll start paying more attention to the socially moderate and fiscally conservative segment of the population instead of the evangelicals.
Buh? I wasn't aware that there was even a lack of employed women who could shoot in the US, let alone that the alleged lack was some sort of national tragedy.
Anyway, come on. I don't need a role model like that. She believes in freakin' witchcraft and the end times, I don't care how many fuzzy things she shot on her lunchbreak, in between cutting funding for needy young mothers and disabled kids (funny how karma bit her on the ass with those two, as an aside). She's unethical, corrupt, anti-intellectual, anti-freedom of thought, and anti-woman*. She's also legitimately stupid. If I want inspiration, I'll be looking to thousands of other women before Palin.
I like Palin for two reasons. First off, there's a lack of role models for women who can handle both a rifle and a high profile career. Second, once the pubs get hammered this election maybe they'll start paying more attention to the socially moderate and fiscally conservative segment of the population instead of the evangelicals.
Buh? I wasn't aware that there was even a lack of employed women who could shoot in the US, let alone that the alleged lack was some sort of national tragedy.
Anyway, come on. I don't need a role model like that. She believes in freakin' witchcraft and the end times, I don't care how many fuzzy things she shot on her lunchbreak, in between cutting funding for needy young mothers and disabled kids (funny how karma bit her on the ass with those two, as an aside). She's unethical, corrupt, anti-intellectual, anti-freedom of thought, and anti-woman*. She's also legitimately stupid. If I want inspiration, I'll be looking to thousands of other women before Palin.
*anti-women-who-aren't-her, anyway.
Yeah, when I think of women who are leaders and/or role models I think Elanor Roosevelt, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir...you know someone who's earned respect.
I think the problem with those female role models is they are "old barren hags," and Palin is good looking and speaks in a language that sounds like what the people who like Palin sound like, that is, she doesn't make them feel dumb.
Palin is considered a good role model for women by stupid people because she displays a total lack of intellectual rigor and she's fun and pretty. She shows you can be a successful woman and still be "spunky." In other words, she shows stupid people that women can be successful without giving up being a beauty queen, she doesn't act like she's somehow above women who liked cavorting around and dating and being pretty and this and that.
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Palin is the same kind of role model as a lottery winner. Basically, she stands as proof that you can be successful without doing anything to deserve it, which is what a lot of us want to hear*.
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Well God obviously wanted her to be raped and to have living proof of it for the rest of her ( or it's) life.
duh.
Also, the talk of not voting, highly consider voting for a third party. If you're sick of the two party bullshit, at least put the effort in trying to put a third contender in there. The two major parties have excelled in getting people to think their votes are worthless if they are voting for a third party and we're buying into it. No, it's not some kind of quick fix as if everyone's going to do it this year. However, if people notice a third party candidate actually has some kind of chance, even to take one state, that should pick up to the greater public opinion for a real chance.
We the people do hold the power here. We could vote in anyone we want. We just tend to buy into what the parties sell and only vote one of them in. I mean, here in MN we had Governor Ventura and I'd imagine a number of other states have had independants take governer positions or senate seats etc. It's unfortunate that Joe and Jane public tend to favor being uninformed and seeing this as a every 4th year comedy show.
The dollar is at a 2 year high. So I don't see why we're concerned about devaluation.
What exactly do you think 'mobilizing for WWII' was if not massive government intervention? You think unicorns bought all the tanks for us to use?
He's no spring chicken, either. Again, I'd say McCain would be in good hands if he were serviced by the same doctors who looked over Cheney. That's all just a guess but I'm not convinced McCain would croak from poor health after a month or two in office.
It's my opinion that the only thing keeping him moving now is the hope of fucking his running mate, her daughter tells us just how long that's gonna last.
Colbert did mention that porno 'Nailin' Paylin' on his show last night .... :winky:
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I think thats because she has wedged the Republican party far more than democrats. For every one 'base' small town evangelical who's enthusiastic about Palin, theres an undecided voter and a moderate republican who are alienated by her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBLnwMbYmUw
The implications are, I hope, that the Republican party will in the aftermath of a (probable) defeat, move back towards the center.
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Wow that article is informative. You have to take it with a grain of salt since The New Yorker has endorsed the Obama campaign, which IMO puts their objectivity in question. But that's a great read, thanks for the link.
I'm horribly turned off to Palin, but my wife (who was a Hillary supporter and a registered Democrat) really likes her and is voting McCain. I'm a Naval Officer so I have the utmost respect for John McCain, but I can't stomach Palin. I'd like to think it's because of the issues (I'm non-religious, pro-choice and want the country to focus on domestic issues so I guess that aligns me with the Democrats), but I just can't stand how she shoves that "folksy" shit down our throats. Some people eat that up, but I just gag and want a glass of water.
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Iraq doesn't want us there.
We are occupying Iraq at this point.
How does one WIN the situation in Iraq?
(And yes I have been to Iraq before you question my occupation versus fighting a war idea)
The same way one wins the War on Drugs or the War on Terror.
Spoiler alert:
Clarification: You can get to a point where you can withdraw, but victory without any definition like McCain wants? Not anytime in my lifetime.
I find it telling when hardcore, smart conservatives are jumping ship and citing Palin (and what it says about McCain's judgement).
I'm not sure she can handle the former all that well, and she's completely flubbed the latter. It would be nice if this election caused a return to moderates gaining power in both parties, though. The kooks have been in control of the GOP for far too long.
After this election, there will be a war inside the GOP between the moderates who'll say the party should have broader central appeal, and the extremists who'll say they lost because they weren't extreme enough. Now consider the people in the party:
* George W Bush, an extremist.
* Karl Rove, an extremist.
* John McCain, formally a centrist until he lost to Bush, then became an extremist to get the nomination
* Sarah Palin, basically Bush with lipstick on
* Most Republican seats left in congress will be the redest of the red. The safest, most extreme seats.
* And let's not forget the pundits. O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, the idiot with the bowtie.... extremists the lot of them. Arguably some of them are putting up a fake extremist persona for the sake of ratings, but that makes no difference.
* Extremist preachers around the states who'll tell their congregations they lost the election because they forsake their god-commanded extremist ways.
Meanwhile, on the centrist side:
* That Muslim guy who chased away the bigoted assholes at a McCain rally, before the McCain camp told him to sit down and be quiet.
* People like in Djinn's videos, who will be labelled RINOs and dismissed as traitors.
So my money's on the GOP sinking much deeper into extremist territory before 2012.
Yeah, but 2012 is not the end of time; Mayan calendars be damned. You always end up with a more disaffected rump after a tough contest, and the Congress is poised to become more Southern evangelical in terms of Republican Representatives as moderate republicans get uprooted in favour of democrats with the new election. That said, there's going to be a backlash against the Democrats and it isn't going to be a long time coming. This could easily work to promote more moderates gaining power and restoring some equilibrium. Plus the new generation of conservatives coming to the fore don't seem like idiots with base appeals.
it's a shitty thing to do, saying he's not backing them, but i think he'll do more for the gays than he's letting on.
How so?
Every President or governing party gets some pushback within 6 years of assuming office. The difference is simply in the size and scope of it. It's happened to everybody from FDR to Clinton. The '06 midterms were just unusual in just how big of a bitchslap got handed to Bush.
Hell, it's very very rare for the incumbent President's party to gain any seats in any midterm. '02 was a huge outlier in that case and it was because of you know, 9/11.
Her crazed behavior has helped me turn a single issue voter (ABORTION BAD) to apathy this cycle, so at least someone else's vote doesn't get cancelled out.
Won't happen. We're already seeing the True Conservatives(TM) disavowing themselves of Bush by saying he wasn't conservative enough. A loss like this will lead to purging and focusing on the insane base, not coming back to the center.
http://sendables.jibjab.com/category/politics_issues#/teaser/202387
The conservatives woke me up this morning. They gave me info on how to vote for Obama. That was interesting.
Demographics are shifting. Obama's ground game has gotten a huge registration advantage. Those are likely voters who will stick around for the Dems if he does a good job. The Northwest is shifting more democratic. Virginia is getting a huge influx of people from the North. If the GOP focuses only on their base they will lose.
If you wouldn't mind, could you tell us what your wife likes about Palin other than the fact that she's a vagina-american? Or what she likes about McCain? Hillary is so much closer to Obama on 99% of the issues than Palin, so I'm curious why Palin is appealing to her other than the whole female/non-black thing.
Yeah, eventually they'll be stuck with nothing but Texas, Oklahoma, and Utah.
Racism or sexism, or both. There is simply no other possible explanation. The "experience" argument falls apart because there is simply no way a sane voter will choose the more "experienced" candidate when they differ on 99% of the issues.
Well, I guess insanity is another explanation.
...you know that Barack Obama is a Lawyer? A constitutional Lawyer? He has an actual job, actual expertise where he is good at. I mean, shit, what you are talking about? There should be some sort of 500+-man ruling body full of different people from different careers that decide about laws and such in the country? Crazy talk.
Or what, are you saying that one president isn't enough? He would have to be an expert in all those fields you mentioned and more to make a great leader? But that is humanly impossible. If only...if only he would have some sort of a "cabinet", shall we say full of different departments focused on different issues and areas of goverment that can offer their expertise on said issues.
But this is obviously insane, dreams of a madman. No way such a thing could exist in anywhere.
Buh? I wasn't aware that there was even a lack of employed women who could shoot in the US, let alone that the alleged lack was some sort of national tragedy.
Anyway, come on. I don't need a role model like that. She believes in freakin' witchcraft and the end times, I don't care how many fuzzy things she shot on her lunchbreak, in between cutting funding for needy young mothers and disabled kids (funny how karma bit her on the ass with those two, as an aside). She's unethical, corrupt, anti-intellectual, anti-freedom of thought, and anti-woman*. She's also legitimately stupid. If I want inspiration, I'll be looking to thousands of other women before Palin.
*anti-women-who-aren't-her, anyway.
Yeah, when I think of women who are leaders and/or role models I think Elanor Roosevelt, Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir...you know someone who's earned respect.
She's crazy, good looking, not too bright, very little political experience, in with the fundies, and likes the outdoors.
That's none too different from our sitting president.
Palin is considered a good role model for women by stupid people because she displays a total lack of intellectual rigor and she's fun and pretty. She shows you can be a successful woman and still be "spunky." In other words, she shows stupid people that women can be successful without giving up being a beauty queen, she doesn't act like she's somehow above women who liked cavorting around and dating and being pretty and this and that.
*Fuck, I wanna win the lottery.
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